Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
I pretty much agree with this. The team seems like they'll support whoever's under center. So much noise in this thread that is based on fan preference... It's tiresome.

Assuming Purdy gets healthy during the first half of the season, what would you need to see from Lance for him to keep the starting gig? And how long would you give him to show it? (Asking you specifically because I respect your takes.)

I'll jump in with my .02 worth...

Whenever Purdy gets healthy enough to play, he will be the starter. Shanahan has made no secret of the fact Purdy has been his favorite QB of all those he has had in SF. He runs the offense the way KS wants it to be run. BP has made it the most prolific Kyle has had here, and it wasn't just the system. Purdy was making plays on his own. Kyle loves him.

In order for Lance, or anyone else to take the starting gig, they would have to do what Purdy did and better.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
I pretty much agree with this. The team seems like they'll support whoever's under center. So much noise in this thread that is based on fan preference... It's tiresome.

Assuming Purdy gets healthy during the first half of the season, what would you need to see from Lance for him to keep the starting gig? And how long would you give him to show it? (Asking you specifically because I respect your takes.)

He has to win more than he loses and if not and if Brock is healthy we will go back to Brock by the bye week. I'm hoping that sentence answers two questions

Brock put up world beater statistics though some would say Jimmy was doing the same but with Brock I saw a visible uptick in explosives and defenders had to defend more of the field and they had to respect the long ball relatively speaking

Under Trey at his best I would expect our run game to TAKE OFF! I expect 11 on 11 and I expect guys running wide open because someone has to keep an eye on Lance as a rushing threat. I expect us to use Lance like Russell Wilson with the threat of the run on QB keeps reserved until late game and big games when needed

If Lance can be what we've drafted him for I expect a TON of explosives and that is exactly why we felt the need to move on from Jimmy

If we can see this stuff more often than not Lance will keep the job this season. If we don't see most of this happening with wins as the most important factor then Brock will be ready to take over while Trey watches and learns because we know how well Brock takes his scout team reps Vs our first team defense by how he jumped right in and played for us last season

From my perspective, being over .500 with this roster is table stakes. If not winning two out of every three games by the midpoint of the season, I'm looking for a few key things to keep Lance in the game: (1) 25+ PPG, (2) Lance's mobility being a consistent threat, (3) Lance minimizing turnovers, and (4) Lance showing command of the offense and the game to the level of a tier 2 or above quarterback (i.e., effectively running 2:00 and 4:00 minute offensive possessions, suffering minimal delays of game penalties, sustaining drives by avoiding QB execution errors, distributing the ball to the playmakers on offense). I, frankly, don't care if he gets it done via explosives or dinking and dunking.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
I pretty much agree with this. The team seems like they'll support whoever's under center. So much noise in this thread that is based on fan preference... It's tiresome.

Assuming Purdy gets healthy during the first half of the season, what would you need to see from Lance for him to keep the starting gig? And how long would you give him to show it? (Asking you specifically because I respect your takes.)

I'll jump in with my .02 worth...

Whenever Purdy gets healthy enough to play, he will be the starter. Shanahan has made no secret of the fact Purdy has been his favorite QB of all those he has had in SF. He runs the offense the way KS wants it to be run. BP has made it the most prolific Kyle has had here, and it wasn't just the system. Purdy was making plays on his own. Kyle loves him.

In order for Lance, or anyone else to take the starting gig, they would have to do what Purdy did and better.

I hear ya...what Purdy did with his opportunity was downright magical, and it would be very difficult to leave him on the bench if the results on the field don't exceed the mark he set. My biggest concern is whether he'll make a full recovery from his injury. I'm very confident in his mental toughness to work his way back and think he'll be ready as long as his body allows it...I just don't know enough about the prognosis for this injury to his throwing arm.

It could threaten the entire season if they switch from Lance to Purdy, only to find that he's not there physically.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
I pretty much agree with this. The team seems like they'll support whoever's under center. So much noise in this thread that is based on fan preference... It's tiresome.

Assuming Purdy gets healthy during the first half of the season, what would you need to see from Lance for him to keep the starting gig? And how long would you give him to show it? (Asking you specifically because I respect your takes.)

He has to win more than he loses and if not and if Brock is healthy we will go back to Brock by the bye week. I'm hoping that sentence answers two questions

Brock put up world beater statistics though some would say Jimmy was doing the same but with Brock I saw a visible uptick in explosives and defenders had to defend more of the field and they had to respect the long ball relatively speaking

Under Trey at his best I would expect our run game to TAKE OFF! I expect 11 on 11 and I expect guys running wide open because someone has to keep an eye on Lance as a rushing threat. I expect us to use Lance like Russell Wilson with the threat of the run on QB keeps reserved until late game and big games when needed

If Lance can be what we've drafted him for I expect a TON of explosives and that is exactly why we felt the need to move on from Jimmy

If we can see this stuff more often than not Lance will keep the job this season. If we don't see most of this happening with wins as the most important factor then Brock will be ready to take over while Trey watches and learns because we know how well Brock takes his scout team reps Vs our first team defense by how he jumped right in and played for us last season

I could not agree more. As before, there will be mistakes along the way, but I want to see those used as learning experiences that won't be repeated. I think part of what frustrated Kyle with Jimmy was him repeating mistakes. If Lance reaches his potential, this offense will be nearly impossible to stop. If Trey struggles in a way that displeases Kyle and/or the season looks like it could be compromised due to his play, the switch will be made.

A good problem to have. Don't care which one starts, we will need both of them.

Originally posted by dj43:
I'll jump in with my .02 worth...

Whenever Purdy gets healthy enough to play, he will be the starter. Shanahan has made no secret of the fact Purdy has been his favorite QB of all those he has had in SF. He runs the offense the way KS wants it to be run. BP has made it the most prolific Kyle has had here, and it wasn't just the system. Purdy was making plays on his own. Kyle loves him.

In order for Lance, or anyone else to take the starting gig, they would have to do what Purdy did and better.

That was "last year's" team but even if you are given that, you can't do what Purdy did or better if you dont play.

Therefore this isin't anything to "watch" for, and this really isin't a competition with Purdy @ least until he's fully back.

The competition Lance has is with Lance. He needs to show improvement in practices if those that lead them are to believe his development is still on track.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
I pretty much agree with this. The team seems like they'll support whoever's under center. So much noise in this thread that is based on fan preference... It's tiresome.

Assuming Purdy gets healthy during the first half of the season, what would you need to see from Lance for him to keep the starting gig? And how long would you give him to show it? (Asking you specifically because I respect your takes.)

I'll jump in with my .02 worth...

Whenever Purdy gets healthy enough to play, he will be the starter. Shanahan has made no secret of the fact Purdy has been his favorite QB of all those he has had in SF. He runs the offense the way KS wants it to be run. BP has made it the most prolific Kyle has had here, and it wasn't just the system. Purdy was making plays on his own. Kyle loves him.

In order for Lance, or anyone else to take the starting gig, they would have to do what Purdy did and better.

Offense not so prolific vs Dallas.

And those are the kinds of defenses you play in the playoffs.

Wanted to see if he could return to making plays on his own vs Philly's top D and in the Super Bowl.

But just like we didn't get to know about Lance we don't get to know about Purdy which sucked.

Will at least be entertaining to see this play out. As long as I don't see #10 again in a Niners uniform I'm good. #5 or #13 works for me.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by random49er:
Dont want. You and your Pats can keep him.

It's everyone but Macs fault. He's established that. You need to watch him play the Bills down 33-3 to see his high level qb play.

As I've read multiple posts cry that Trey didn't get to play with Kittle or CMC. Mac never played with Deebo, Aiyuk

Even funnier, due to Mac's shenanigans I wouldn't be able to root for him here. I'd be calling fir Purdy to start over him too. But keep bringing him up I enjoy the chuckles

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
From my perspective, being over .500 with this roster is table stakes. If not winning two out of every three games by the midpoint of the season, I'm looking for a few key things to keep Lance in the game: (1) 25+ PPG, (2) Lance's mobility being a consistent threat, (3) Lance minimizing turnovers, and (4) Lance showing command of the offense and the game to the level of a tier 2 or above quarterback (i.e., effectively running 2:00 and 4:00 minute offensive possessions, suffering minimal delays of game penalties, sustaining drives by avoiding QB execution errors, distributing the ball to the playmakers on offense). I, frankly, don't care if he gets it done via explosives or dinking and dunking.

This is all good stuff and I can agree so long as the wins are coming. I'm pretty sure whether he keeps or passes the job off to Brock is gonna be where we are come the bye week in the wins column and then everything you just listed will be factored in thereafter.

The reason I am looking for explosives is because Jimmy did everything you listed but when it came to explosives and threatening more blades of grass he left things on the table. Brock came in and cleaned up a whole lotta that

Now Brock ain't the most explosive player I've seen but it was a clear difference between he and Jimmy.

Now that there's more tape on Brock I do believe defenses will limit him and not allow him to get outta the pocket to extend plays as often as he has but he's done so much right I just can't see how defenses will be able to completely neutralize him. Sure we will have to grind out some wins vs top tier defenses but that's fine until playoffs

Come playoff time we need it at least Kyle thought we needed a playmaker at the QB position to get us over that final hump. A guy with elite abilities to make plays despite the best defenses. That was the dream of Trey Lance. Brock if he stayed healthy may have put this to rest but he didn't

I'm not sure the way our defense played Vs Dallas if even Pat Mahomes could have beaten us but when we score 19 points I would have to believe he could. Jalen Hurts for instance was never held to 19 points vs Dallas and if we're winning a Super Bowl we are likely going to need to be able to score 28 points against anyone despite their defense

This is what I was wanting Brock to prove and prior to that Trey to prove that Jimmy couldn't but neither of them got the opportunity to do so this year. Now is that year where we can see Trey we can see Brock. We don't want good or better play. We want to win the chip so we have to start in with one of these guys and right now it's Trey Lance batter up!

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
I could not agree more. As before, there will be mistakes along the way, but I want to see those used as learning experiences that won't be repeated. I think part of what frustrated Kyle with Jimmy was him repeating mistakes. If Lance reaches his potential, this offense will be nearly impossible to stop. If Trey struggles in a way that displeases Kyle and/or the season looks like it could be compromised due to his play, the switch will be made.

Right. That's what Trey was drafted to do I believe some of our posters forget. He is supposed to unlock the God Mode offensively in the same ways we see Josh Allen when he has it going but where here we have more elite weaponry with the best defense to keep giving us the ball back to score more

I want to see that. I want to break records next season offensively. I want it all and the promise of Trey Lance intrigues me. Maybe it's because I know Brock is hurt but I feel great having the both of them

Originally posted by krizay:


As I've read multiple posts cry that Trey didn't get to play with Kittle or CMC. Mac never played with Deebo, Aiyuk

Or maybe like with your daughter you should just be honest about him.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Or maybe like with your daughter you should just be honest about him.

When I thought he played bad I have.

I also edited the post you just quoted. While also posting this in his thread.

Yea his actions and attitude are completely turning me off of him.

As a diehard Duke fan he is giving me Grayson Allen vibes and he made it hard to root for him as well.

I am as honest as they come. Sometimes to a fault. I have no problem admitting my faults or others.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Right. That's what Trey was drafted to do I believe some of our posters forget. He is supposed to unlock the God Mode offensively in the same ways we see Josh Allen when he has it going but where here we have more elite weaponry with the best defense to keep giving us the ball back to score more

I want to see that. I want to break records next season offensively. I want it all and the promise of Trey Lance intrigues me. Maybe it's because I know Brock is hurt but I feel great having the both of them

I thought the purpose was to win a SB. Or that was the standard set for Purdy. The tear he and the offense went on didn't mean anything to some because he didnt shred the cowboys and didn't win the SB.

That's the bar some are setting for Lance. Nothing he does will mean much of anything until he shreds top defenses in the playoffs in route to SB win.

that must suck for some not being able to enjoy the season and waiting around for playoffs to come for QB play to mean something.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
There are options though.

Right now, I bet lynchie is having daily phone convo's with shanny asking him to consider what's in the best interest of the team.

And Garpo's agent is having the same conversation with Jimmy.

It stinks, it's stupendous.

its incredible, its flabbergasting.

it's the best of times its the worst of times

its yin its yang

its the agony and the ecstasy.

this is how co-dependency rolls for good or bad .

All 2023 49er roads lead to one invevitable, undeniable, incontrovertible destination.

The locker room demands it.

The qb room demands it.

Our playoff calculations demand it.

We have to renew our qb insurance policy for one more season.

don't shoot the messenger please.

You ready to fork over the $20M plus annually dude is gonna command when the guy you started over him and drafted highly is available? Kyle tried to get it through you guys heads that Jimmy is DONE here!

yah. People aren't paying enough attention to the situation with purdy's elbow. There are several scenarios where he may just miss the season, after the surgeons go in there. Also, he might miss time during the season with sore elbow -- even other injury. That's almost expected with our oline, one of the lightest in the nfl.

Are we gonna throw away the season? That's our plan right now if Trey is #2. I don't think that will impress our all-universe DPOY. The clear best option is kiss and make up with Jimmy. For better or worse, that will get us into the playoffs likely with a homefield. I'm not as confident signing another vet. Who can honestly say it's more likely trey will give us a better chance than Jimmy?

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I thought the purpose was to win a SB. Or that was the standard set for Purdy. The tear he and the offense went on didn't mean anything to some because he didnt shred the cowboys and didn't win the SB.

That's the bar some are setting for Lance. Nothing he does will mean much of anything until he shreds top defenses in the playoffs in route to SB win.

that must suck for some not being able to enjoy the season and waiting around for playoffs to come for QB play to mean something.

Man! I remember to start the year someone posted its just about getting to the playoffs. Anything can happen after that. Once Brock came in.... he had to win the SB.