Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

I'm not sure this is the team that would get him to his full potential. The way Kyle runs his offense there is not a lot of room for error in making the correct read.

I think his skillset lends more toward a more traditional play calling style. I think the complexity Kyle demands requires significantly more mental quickness and savviness than traditional.

Very few QBs I think mentally can run his offense. When they cannot mentally receive the play, line up, diagnose if it is correct and everyone is lined up correct then execute on time. Then run through reads extremely quickly to find the schemed open guy.

This offense runs significantly more plays that no other offense or team runs which just demands a huge amount of mental game.

I don't think he can unseat Brock unless his arm is just done. Mentally Brocks quickness is elite.

In a traditional offense where precision does not matter so much I think he has a chance. I just don't see it in this one.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
To unseat the #3 pick in the draft who is on the team with superior physical gifts, yes.

If Trey is not on the team then Brock obv is the guy we go with next year and beyond if he keeps playing so well.

Trey initially just get to the playoffs was the minimum for his first year starting and play well. Jimmy was going to be gone and that's all that was required at a minimum for the first year. Well now Brock shows up and shows out so now Trey needs to do more since there is another option on the team that isn't a liability and as limited like Jimmy is. So the bar is set higher because of Brock. Trey needs to stack wins and play well while he gets comfortable stringing starts together. And if he doesn't we just make the switch to Brock mid-season.

If Trey is as bad as people claim in here he will suck when he plays and it will be a clear switch back to Brock. Well let's see for ourselves instead of all these premature claims.

Exactly what I've been saying. Brock had to beat Hurts and Mahomes and then Trey had to sit. Anything less than that and we have a QB competition and we sure as hell do right now with Brock missing all of the offseason

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
I'm not sure this is the team that would get him to his full potential. The way Kyle runs his offense there is not a lot of room for error in making the correct read.

I think his skillset lends more toward a more traditional play calling style. I think the complexity Kyle demands requires significantly more mental quickness and savviness than traditional.

Very few QBs I think mentally can run his offense. When they cannot mentally receive the play, line up, diagnose if it is correct and everyone is lined up correct then execute on time. Then run through reads extremely quickly to find the schemed open guy.

This offense runs significantly more plays that no other offense or team runs which just demands a huge amount of mental game.

I don't think he can unseat Brock unless his arm is just done. Mentally Brocks quickness is elite.

In a traditional offense where precision does not matter so much I think he has a chance. I just don't see it in this one.

You're sadly misguided and mistaken. Trey is light years brighter than Jimmy could ever dream to be and he ran it just fine. We didn't pick Trey so high because he was a dumbbell!

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Yeah it's quite a benchmark for a rookie. Had he not torn his arm he just may have done it too. Consider that. Injury derailed us and him. Not really him losing.

And he's seemingly lost an offseason as well so we'll roll with Trey until at least midseasonnand then check back with me

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Ezekiel is arguing just that. Brock needed to shred the Cowboys , Eagles, and chiefs to unseat Lance.

The second part is dumb. Jimmy is gone and Lance isn't getting traded, for various reasons.

Seems to me he was saying that for him to be the unquestioned starter.

Agree it is dumb. But they still want that. Hell Goatie would cut Lance right now if it were up to him.

I told all that unless we won the Super Bowl there would be a QB competition this offseason. Well now we don't even have that because Brock can't practice until the final preseason game so now it's Trey's job to lose all of a sudden and I would have had Brock leader in the clubhouse to start this offseason had he been healthy

I don't know why that wasn't clear to all the dreamers that Kyle wanted to draft a super star because we keep losing to them in the biggest of games

Had Brock gotten it done that would be irrelevant but since we haven't Trey is still relevant along with Brock

Neither of these guys are gonna be handed the franchise until they win the Lombardi

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by krizay:
Why do some of you keep saying people want him to fail? It's not that we want him to fail. We just don't want to continue to live on hopes and prayers.

The same people who keep using that nonsense are the same ones that continue to talk about how many more reps Brock has then him. Trey can't make those reps up. They're gone. The likelihood of Trey having this offense look as good as Purdy had it looking are very slim. Especially considering how far behind Trey is.

Brock had Kyle's offense looking the best it's looked since Matt Ryan's MVP season. Brock is Barely 5 months older than Trey. So why not continue to develop the guy you know can run the offense at a higher level instead of hoping?

Throw in Trey's 5th year option decision on the horizon....

I just take it as projection on their behalf. They most likely have been rooting against Jimmy for the past few years and believe everyone is that way about Lance.

I have always stated that that I support whoever gets this teams wins.

Who exactly are they saying people want him to fail? Those opposed consider him a failure already. Never thought much of you as a poster, but this is a 49ers fan forum. Why is it an issue of "our side" vs "their side"? Why does who is right matter more than whether or not we win?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I actually don't care if people want to make themselves look stupid with juvenile nicknames. They are low iq and it shows much about the poster. But what you interpret as projection is actually just you being a hypocrite on the subject of defending qbs. You only care about the Jimmy ones.

If you don't see the difference between deciding what someone can do after 50+ starts vs 4 I don't know what to tell you. They aren't the same. The latter can only be explained by that's what you want to see happen.

Agree. Those nicknames names are stupid doesn't matter the QB. Comes across as childish. I just try and ignore them.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Ezekiel is arguing just that. Brock needed to shred the Cowboys , Eagles, and chiefs to unseat Lance.

The second part is dumb. Jimmy is gone and Lance isn't getting traded, for various reasons.

Seems to me he was saying that for him to be the unquestioned starter.

Agree it is dumb. But they still want that. Hell Goatie would cut Lance right now if it were up to him.

He said he needed to accomplish that to unseat him. Meaning replace him as starter. Not talking about competition, that's Pill you might be thinking about.
Anyways, that's his opinion and he's entitled to that. Just pointing out that at least one is arguing that.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Who exactly are they? Those who hope for Trey's success? Never thought much of you as a poster, but this is a 49ers fan forum. Why is it an issue of "our side" vs "their side"? Why does who is right matter more than whether or not we win?

Feeling is mutual. So no need for us to converse any further.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Who exactly are they? Those who hope for Trey's success? Never thought much of you as a poster, but this is a 49ers fan forum. Why is it an issue of "our side" vs "their side"? Why does who is right matter more than whether or not we win?

Feeling is mutual. So no need for us to converse any further.

ok. Thanks for responding to tell me you won't respond anymore. I'll still likely respond to your posts when they are divisive.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Who exactly are they? Those who hope for Trey's success? Never thought much of you as a poster, but this is a 49ers fan forum. Why is it an issue of "our side" vs "their side"? Why does who is right matter more than whether or not we win?

Feeling is mutual. So no need for us to converse any further.

Um, ok. Thanks for responding to tell me you won't respond anymore.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
He said he needed to accomplish that to unseat him. Meaning replace him as starter. Not talking about competition, that's Pill you might be thinking about.
Anyways, that's his opinion and he's entitled to that. Just pointing out that at least one is arguing that.

Yea I've said if Brock didn't win it all there'd be a competition this summer with Brock as the leader in the clubhouse. Well he didn't win it all and he won't play again until the regular season so Trey gets first at bat. If he strikes out by then Brock is fully healthy and he'll step up to the plate which he so deftly did last season

Now if either of them win the super bowl they're gonna be the unquestioned franchise QB going forward. Until that day happens it's as Pete Carroll said "compete compete compete"

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
I'm not sure this is the team that would get him to his full potential. The way Kyle runs his offense there is not a lot of room for error in making the correct read.

I think his skillset lends more toward a more traditional play calling style. I think the complexity Kyle demands requires significantly more mental quickness and savviness than traditional.

Very few QBs I think mentally can run his offense. When they cannot mentally receive the play, line up, diagnose if it is correct and everyone is lined up correct then execute on time. Then run through reads extremely quickly to find the schemed open guy.

This offense runs significantly more plays that no other offense or team runs which just demands a huge amount of mental game.

I don't think he can unseat Brock unless his arm is just done. Mentally Brocks quickness is elite.

In a traditional offense where precision does not matter so much I think he has a chance. I just don't see it in this one.

You're sadly misguided and mistaken. Trey is light years brighter than Jimmy could ever dream to be and he ran it just fine. We didn't pick Trey so high because he was a dumbbell!

This is one thing that's fairly obvious. Jimmy is lightyears more experienced,...but Trey is obviously the brighter bulb.

Exactly what I've been saying. Brock had to beat Hurts and Mahomes and then Trey had to sit. Anything less than that and we have a QB competition and we sure as hell do right now with Brock missing all of the offseason

But he's not there to compete though. He's like Trey,....competing with himself. Rehabbing as successfully as possible after his surgery.

How Trey is doing should be the least of his concerns. His only focus will be coming back better than he was his last game.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Yeah it's quite a benchmark for a rookie. Had he not torn his arm he just may have done it too. Consider that. Injury derailed us and him. Not really him losing.

And he's seemingly lost an offseason as well so we'll roll with Trey until at least midseasonnand then check back with me

It depends how the surgery and recovery go. If Brock is ready at the start of the season he's the starter.