Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Bears AVERAGED 19 ppg on the season, so for the best defense in the league to give up that amount to them says the defense absolutely let us down. Saying they lost the game is a stretch, but the whole team contributed to that loss.

sorry for the edit, I know how anal you are on those.

Yes they averaged 19 points a game as one of the worst offensive teams in the league, and that's exactly what our defense held them to. Again, that includes being gifted a scoring drive by our offense. That was a good defensive performance. It was not perfect and to expect it is absurd.

As I mentioned, the Bears allowed 27 points per game on defense and we scored 10.

The shortcomings here are clear as day. If your team allows 19 points in a game in today's NFL, that should be a win... especially when you are facing a bottom defense. Not only was it not a win but it was a two score loss. Just a complete offensive failure.

You know how anal I am about edits? I thought it was funny you changed a post that was all emojis into a gif, lol. Keep crying.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
This Super Bowl shows how nice it would be if Trey developed to be able to react to things faster and improve that accuracy. He was a tick late last year and the year before, and his accuracy was simply not good enough.

Maybe Purdy is that guy. He played like it. But he didn't play like Mahomes and Hurts, in terms of being a threat for the entire field at all times, including the QB run. Trey has the talent to be one of those guys. So if you're asking what is the BEST possible scenario, it's this: Trey fixes the problems he has and takes over. If he does that, we have an elite offense. If he doesn't, Plan B is Purdy remains the starter going forward and we have a top ten guy for several years, but not a top 5 guy.

I love Purdy. Don't think I'm hating on him. But he'll never be in that Mahomes/Allen (and not Hurts) conversation, because he's not big enough, not strong enough, and not fast enough. Trey could, if by some chance he gets the rest (especially the accuracy and confidence in what he's seeing, neither of which he has right now). That's why Trey becoming "that guy" is the best case scenario, even if it's a long shot.

I would agree. When you have a guy that can stretch the offense to all areas of the field & can also make the defense play 11 vs 11 & still make plays it just takes the offense to an entire new level. Let's go Trey!

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by random49er:
Yea I saw nothing @ all special about Hurts last year. Wouldn'tve wanted him at all.

But....that's the difference a year can make.

You didn't see anything special about his running ability? He's been special in that department since the moment he took the field in the NFL.

Nah....certainly not special IMO. An added dimension for sure,....not special.

His "specialness" this year comes in the total package,...run and pass,...and doing both without very much of a hiccup.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Houston are not stupid enough to trade the #2 pick for Trey. Take that thought, bottle it, throw it in the ocean, maybe it will give someone shipwrecked on a remote island a good laugh one day.

Damn....

Immature much? Even if an unknown,...much of his value has been lost by way of the 1st 2 "cheap" years there were to have him. As of now,...trade for him and you're getting 2 yrs and you have to up the pay and make a decision early on for a 3rd.

Any unproven #3 pick from a couple years ago is not worth a #2 pick in this draft simply because 5 > 3. Don't care how good he "may" be,...it'd just be a stupid trade.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by random49er:
Yea I saw nothing @ all special about Hurts last year. Wouldn'tve wanted him at all.

But....that's the difference a year can make.

You didn't see anything special about his running ability? He's been special in that department since the moment he took the field in the NFL.

Nah....certainly not special IMO. An added dimension for sure,....not special.

His "specialness" this year comes in the total package,...run and pass,...and doing both without very much of a hiccup.

If hurts isn't special, then trey must be dogs**t.

Originally posted by Bangbang89:
Trey lance can run better than Jalen hurts.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Bangbang89:
Trey lance can run better than Jalen hurts.

I'm pretty sure he can. He just has to be more decisive. Trey is a higher SPARQ athlete

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Bangbang89:
Trey lance can run better than Jalen hurts.

I'm pretty sure he can. He just has to be more decisive. Trey is a higher SPARQ athlete

You got a source for that?

From the eye test I've seen Trey can be fast and twitchy (Seahawks game comes to mind), but he also kind of sucks at reading the run holes.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
This Super Bowl shows how nice it would be if Trey developed to be able to react to things faster and improve that accuracy. He was a tick late last year and the year before, and his accuracy was simply not good enough.

Maybe Purdy is that guy. He played like it. But he didn't play like Mahomes and Hurts, in terms of being a threat for the entire field at all times, including the QB run. Trey has the talent to be one of those guys. So if you're asking what is the BEST possible scenario, it's this: Trey fixes the problems he has and takes over. If he does that, we have an elite offense. If he doesn't, Plan B is Purdy remains the starter going forward and we have a top ten guy for several years, but not a top 5 guy.

I love Purdy. Don't think I'm hating on him. But he'll never be in that Mahomes/Allen (and not Hurts) conversation, because he's not big enough, not strong enough, and not fast enough. Trey could, if by some chance he gets the rest (especially the accuracy and confidence in what he's seeing, neither of which he has right now). That's why Trey becoming "that guy" is the best case scenario, even if it's a long shot.

Purdy played as good as any QB in the league for the weeks he was out there. He's clearly not as mobile as Hurts, but he's probably not far off from Mahomes. Who knows if he can continue his torrid start, but I wouldn't agree that he wasn't a threat on par with Mahomes. He was all that and more, just a sample size that leaves questions.

Trey will clearly take some time to develop. If we throw out his Bears game, which we should because the game was played in a lake, his most recent tape is pretty darn good. An even smaller sample size though.

I don't know what either QB will become, but we have two shots to have one of the better guys in the league. If Purdy keeps playing like Joe Montana, then I don't know how you can ever take him out. If Trey comes in and builds on his promise while Purdy is recovering, then things get really interesting. Bottom line, we could have a talent as good as any QB in the league if the stars align, and it could be either guy.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
This Super Bowl shows how nice it would be if Trey developed to be able to react to things faster and improve that accuracy. He was a tick late last year and the year before, and his accuracy was simply not good enough.

Maybe Purdy is that guy. He played like it. But he didn't play like Mahomes and Hurts, in terms of being a threat for the entire field at all times, including the QB run. Trey has the talent to be one of those guys. So if you're asking what is the BEST possible scenario, it's this: Trey fixes the problems he has and takes over. If he does that, we have an elite offense. If he doesn't, Plan B is Purdy remains the starter going forward and we have a top ten guy for several years, but not a top 5 guy.

I love Purdy. Don't think I'm hating on him. But he'll never be in that Mahomes/Allen (and not Hurts) conversation, because he's not big enough, not strong enough, and not fast enough. Trey could, if by some chance he gets the rest (especially the accuracy and confidence in what he's seeing, neither of which he has right now). That's why Trey becoming "that guy" is the best case scenario, even if it's a long shot.

Purdy played as good as any QB in the league for the weeks he was out there. He's clearly not as mobile as Hurts, but he's probably not far off from Mahomes. Who knows if he can continue his torrid start, but I wouldn't agree that he wasn't a threat on par with Mahomes. He was all that and more, just a sample size that leaves questions.

Trey will clearly take some time to develop. If we throw out his Bears game, which we should because the game was played in a lake, his most recent tape is pretty darn good. An even smaller sample size though.

I don't know what either QB will become, but we have two shots to have one of the better guys in the league. If Purdy keeps playing like Joe Montana, then I don't know how you can ever take him out. If Trey comes in and builds on his promise while Purdy is recovering, then things get really interesting. Bottom line, we could have a talent as good as any QB in the league if the stars align, and it could be either guy.

Assuming (that's a big ask there) the 49ers have two franchise QBs, if I was ShanaLynch, I'd be pulling out the stops in upgrading that offensive line. One, to protect either one of them, and two to protect the soon to be traded other one -- once his rookie contract expires. Russell Wilson commanded a bevy of draft picks, and if either Trey or Purdy can be traded for a half of what Russel Wilson was traded for, that's still a huge amount of draft capital ShanaLynch can recover. That's still a ways down the road (the potential trade) but the protection issues are not.

I think either Purdy or Trey have the potential to be a franchise level QB. I don't see any arm or mobility weakness issues with either of them. Yes, one is physically loads stronger/faster than the other, but also one has more mastery of Kyle's offense than the other -- so for now it kind of evens out. Once both heal -- don't forget Trey (I think) still has some days or a week or two left before he can start his QB workouts -- they can compete and time will tell the 49ers who is *the* guy. The competition between both of them is going to be so entertaining!

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
This Super Bowl shows how nice it would be if Trey developed to be able to react to things faster and improve that accuracy. He was a tick late last year and the year before, and his accuracy was simply not good enough.

Maybe Purdy is that guy. He played like it. But he didn't play like Mahomes and Hurts, in terms of being a threat for the entire field at all times, including the QB run. Trey has the talent to be one of those guys. So if you're asking what is the BEST possible scenario, it's this: Trey fixes the problems he has and takes over. If he does that, we have an elite offense. If he doesn't, Plan B is Purdy remains the starter going forward and we have a top ten guy for several years, but not a top 5 guy.

I love Purdy. Don't think I'm hating on him. But he'll never be in that Mahomes/Allen (and not Hurts) conversation, because he's not big enough, not strong enough, and not fast enough. Trey could, if by some chance he gets the rest (especially the accuracy and confidence in what he's seeing, neither of which he has right now). That's why Trey becoming "that guy" is the best case scenario, even if it's a long shot.

Purdy played as good as any QB in the league for the weeks he was out there. He's clearly not as mobile as Hurts, but he's probably not far off from Mahomes. Who knows if he can continue his torrid start, but I wouldn't agree that he wasn't a threat on par with Mahomes. He was all that and more, just a sample size that leaves questions.

Trey will clearly take some time to develop. If we throw out his Bears game, which we should because the game was played in a lake, his most recent tape is pretty darn good. An even smaller sample size though.

I don't know what either QB will become, but we have two shots to have one of the better guys in the league. If Purdy keeps playing like Joe Montana, then I don't know how you can ever take him out. If Trey comes in and builds on his promise while Purdy is recovering, then things get really interesting. Bottom line, we could have a talent as good as any QB in the league if the stars align, and it could be either guy.

Assuming (that's a big ask there) the 49ers have two franchise QBs, if I was ShanaLynch, I'd be pulling out the stops in upgrading that offensive line. One, to protect either one of them, and two to protect the soon to be traded other one -- once his rookie contract expires. Russell Wilson commanded a bevy of draft picks, and if either Trey or Purdy can be traded for a half of what Russel Wilson was traded for, that's still a huge amount of draft capital ShanaLynch can recover. That's still a ways down the road (the potential trade) but the protection issues are not.

I think either Purdy or Trey have the potential to be a franchise level QB. I don't see any arm or mobility weakness issues with either of them. Yes, one is physically loads stronger/faster than the other, but also one has more mastery of Kyle's offense than the other -- so for now it kind of evens out. Once both heal -- don't forget Trey (I think) still has some days or a week or two left before he can start his QB workouts -- they can compete and time will tell the 49ers who is *the* guy. The competition between both of them is going to be so entertaining!

This is the other part. I think BOTH are going to work out and my hope is that in 2 years,one can be move for a bounty of picks. The time to trade will be 2025, not now.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by random49er:
Yea I saw nothing @ all special about Hurts last year. Wouldn'tve wanted him at all.

But....that's the difference a year can make.

You didn't see anything special about his running ability? He's been special in that department since the moment he took the field in the NFL.

Nah....certainly not special IMO. An added dimension for sure,....not special.

His "specialness" this year comes in the total package,...run and pass,...and doing both without very much of a hiccup.

If hurts isn't special, then trey must be dogs**t.

No offense but can you read??

His "specialness" this year comes in the total package,...run and pass

If I'm going to label him as a special runner, I need to see some Lamar Jackson, Michael Vick ish out of him. He's certainly not that.

Neither was Steve Young but he was damn effective carving you up and running. Dont try to put force Hurts into a "running QB" box because he was certainly much more than that this past season.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Bangbang89:
Trey lance can run better than Jalen hurts.

I'm pretty sure he can. He just has to be more decisive. Trey is a higher SPARQ athlete

You got a source for that?

From the eye test I've seen Trey can be fast and twitchy (Seahawks game comes to mind), but he also kind of sucks at reading the run holes.

Although I dont have much on Trey's complete profile (until I find something), the SPARQ score is just pure athleticism stuff,...no decision-making goes into it.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Bears AVERAGED 19 ppg on the season, so for the best defense in the league to give up that amount to them says the defense absolutely let us down. Saying they lost the game is a stretch, but the whole team contributed to that loss.

sorry for the edit, I know how anal you are on those.

Yes they averaged 19 points a game as one of the worst offensive teams in the league, and that's exactly what our defense held them to. Again, that includes being gifted a scoring drive by our offense. That was a good defensive performance. It was not perfect and to expect it is absurd.

As I mentioned, the Bears allowed 27 points per game on defense and we scored 10.

The shortcomings here are clear as day. If your team allows 19 points in a game in today's NFL, that should be a win... especially when you are facing a bottom defense. Not only was it not a win but it was a two score loss. Just a complete offensive failure.

You know how anal I am about edits? I thought it was funny you changed a post that was all emojis into a gif, lol. Keep crying.

Ahh, just another one of those dudes who thinks the only person that can win or lose a game is the QB. Now I get your stance.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Bears AVERAGED 19 ppg on the season, so for the best defense in the league to give up that amount to them says the defense absolutely let us down. Saying they lost the game is a stretch, but the whole team contributed to that loss.

sorry for the edit, I know how anal you are on those.

Yes they averaged 19 points a game as one of the worst offensive teams in the league, and that's exactly what our defense held them to. Again, that includes being gifted a scoring drive by our offense. That was a good defensive performance. It was not perfect and to expect it is absurd.

As I mentioned, the Bears allowed 27 points per game on defense and we scored 10.

The shortcomings here are clear as day. If your team allows 19 points in a game in today's NFL, that should be a win... especially when you are facing a bottom defense. Not only was it not a win but it was a two score loss. Just a complete offensive failure.

You know how anal I am about edits? I thought it was funny you changed a post that was all emojis into a gif, lol. Keep crying.

Ahh, just another one of those dudes who thinks the only person that can win or lose a game is the QB. Now I get your stance.

What was the Super Bowl final score again? If you don't have a damn good scoring QB you are not going to win. These AFC young guns not going away. But many think Jimmy was enough. Still waiting for a ring. Maybe next year.