Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

We will find out what we got through TC. Sounds like he should be almost 100% by the end of February. Feel good with Brock and Lance in 2024. We ain't landing Rogers so it's time to get our home grown QBs rolling

Originally posted by Giedi:
Assuming (that's a big ask there) the 49ers have two franchise QBs, if I was ShanaLynch, I'd be pulling out the stops in upgrading that offensive line. One, to protect either one of them, and two to protect the soon to be traded other one -- once his rookie contract expires. Russell Wilson commanded a bevy of draft picks, and if either Trey or Purdy can be traded for a half of what Russel Wilson was traded for, that's still a huge amount of draft capital ShanaLynch can recover. That's still a ways down the road (the potential trade) but the protection issues are not.

I think either Purdy or Trey have the potential to be a franchise level QB. I don't see any arm or mobility weakness issues with either of them. Yes, one is physically loads stronger/faster than the other, but also one has more mastery of Kyle's offense than the other -- so for now it kind of evens out. Once both heal -- don't forget Trey (I think) still has some days or a week or two left before he can start his QB workouts -- they can compete and time will tell the 49ers who is *the* guy. The competition between both of them is going to be so entertaining!

Yup. I hope they both ball out and I hope as I've been saying all along that we have some good problems. Or as the late John Lewis said "Let's get in some good trubble!"

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Bangbang89:
Trey lance can run better than Jalen hurts.

I'm pretty sure he can. He just has to be more decisive. Trey is a higher SPARQ athlete

You got a source for that?

From the eye test I've seen Trey can be fast and twitchy (Seahawks game comes to mind), but he also kind of sucks at reading the run holes.

Although I dont have much on Trey's complete profile (until I find something), the SPARQ score is just pure athleticism stuff,...no decision-making goes into it.

SPARQ' was an acronym it stands for: Speed, Power, Agility, Reaction and Quickness

Originally posted by 9erson3:
What was the Super Bowl final score again? If you don't have a damn good scoring QB you are not going to win. These AFC young guns not going away. But many think Jimmy was enough. Still waiting for a ring. Maybe next year.

This is why Kyle made that trade. We had the best defense IMO in 2019 with the best DL and Pat Mahomes scores 21 points in the last five minutes of the game to take it away from us. Jimmy could do nothing after having played a fine season and it began to sink in that no matter the defense sometimes with the right QB there's just better offense. We knew we needed someone that could stay in step with Pat Mahomes because dude is a problem. We actually passed over him astonishingly ourselves when we KNEW we needed a QB in 2017 waiting on K Cousins which is laughable now

Originally posted by NYniner85:
We will find out what we got through TC. Sounds like he should be almost 100% by the end of February. Feel good with Brock and Lance in 2024. We ain't landing Rogers so it's time to get our home grown QBs rolling

Yup. Draft another young gun and get these guys rolling and use all 11 draft picks to shore up DL OL get a QB CBs TE etc

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
This Super Bowl shows how nice it would be if Trey developed to be able to react to things faster and improve that accuracy. He was a tick late last year and the year before, and his accuracy was simply not good enough.

Maybe Purdy is that guy. He played like it. But he didn't play like Mahomes and Hurts, in terms of being a threat for the entire field at all times, including the QB run. Trey has the talent to be one of those guys. So if you're asking what is the BEST possible scenario, it's this: Trey fixes the problems he has and takes over. If he does that, we have an elite offense. If he doesn't, Plan B is Purdy remains the starter going forward and we have a top ten guy for several years, but not a top 5 guy.

I love Purdy. Don't think I'm hating on him. But he'll never be in that Mahomes/Allen (and not Hurts) conversation, because he's not big enough, not strong enough, and not fast enough. Trey could, if by some chance he gets the rest (especially the accuracy and confidence in what he's seeing, neither of which he has right now). That's why Trey becoming "that guy" is the best case scenario, even if it's a long shot.

Purdy played as good as any QB in the league for the weeks he was out there. He's clearly not as mobile as Hurts, but he's probably not far off from Mahomes. Who knows if he can continue his torrid start, but I wouldn't agree that he wasn't a threat on par with Mahomes. He was all that and more, just a sample size that leaves questions.

Trey will clearly take some time to develop. If we throw out his Bears game, which we should because the game was played in a lake, his most recent tape is pretty darn good. An even smaller sample size though.

I don't know what either QB will become, but we have two shots to have one of the better guys in the league. If Purdy keeps playing like Joe Montana, then I don't know how you can ever take him out. If Trey comes in and builds on his promise while Purdy is recovering, then things get really interesting. Bottom line, we could have a talent as good as any QB in the league if the stars align, and it could be either guy.

Assuming (that's a big ask there) the 49ers have two franchise QBs, if I was ShanaLynch, I'd be pulling out the stops in upgrading that offensive line. One, to protect either one of them, and two to protect the soon to be traded other one -- once his rookie contract expires. Russell Wilson commanded a bevy of draft picks, and if either Trey or Purdy can be traded for a half of what Russel Wilson was traded for, that's still a huge amount of draft capital ShanaLynch can recover. That's still a ways down the road (the potential trade) but the protection issues are not.

I think either Purdy or Trey have the potential to be a franchise level QB. I don't see any arm or mobility weakness issues with either of them. Yes, one is physically loads stronger/faster than the other, but also one has more mastery of Kyle's offense than the other -- so for now it kind of evens out. Once both heal -- don't forget Trey (I think) still has some days or a week or two left before he can start his QB workouts -- they can compete and time will tell the 49ers who is *the* guy. The competition between both of them is going to be so entertaining!

This is the other part. I think BOTH are going to work out and my hope is that in 2 years,one can be move for a bounty of picks. The time to trade will be 2025, not now.

In order for them both to workout, Trey needs to start this season as QB1 and prove he's a good QB. If he does that, we may never see Purdy start again. If that happens, some team may call for Purdy in 2024, but what do you think his value really is? He'd be 7-1 or 8-1 as a starter, but no team is going to give up a bounty of picks for that.

My point is it will be impossible for them both to play and prove they are worth "a bounty of picks." One may become that, and the other may go for a 2nd and 3rd and thats probably it.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Bears AVERAGED 19 ppg on the season, so for the best defense in the league to give up that amount to them says the defense absolutely let us down. Saying they lost the game is a stretch, but the whole team contributed to that loss.

sorry for the edit, I know how anal you are on those.

Yes they averaged 19 points a game as one of the worst offensive teams in the league, and that's exactly what our defense held them to. Again, that includes being gifted a scoring drive by our offense. That was a good defensive performance. It was not perfect and to expect it is absurd.

As I mentioned, the Bears allowed 27 points per game on defense and we scored 10.

The shortcomings here are clear as day. If your team allows 19 points in a game in today's NFL, that should be a win... especially when you are facing a bottom defense. Not only was it not a win but it was a two score loss. Just a complete offensive failure.

You know how anal I am about edits? I thought it was funny you changed a post that was all emojis into a gif, lol. Keep crying.

Ahh, just another one of those dudes who thinks the only person that can win or lose a game is the QB. Now I get your stance.

What was the Super Bowl final score again? If you don't have a damn good scoring QB you are not going to win. These AFC young guns not going away. But many think Jimmy was enough. Still waiting for a ring. Maybe next year.

Never said the QB isn't important, it's a team sport. It's easy enough to see when the QB is the main cause for a win or loss, but that wasn't one of those games. Dak was the main reason Dallas lost in the divisional round, as it was OBVIOUS their D balled out. Our D did not ball out vs Chicago.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Bangbang89:
Trey lance can run better than Jalen hurts.

I'm pretty sure he can. He just has to be more decisive. Trey is a higher SPARQ athlete

You got a source for that?

From the eye test I've seen Trey can be fast and twitchy (Seahawks game comes to mind), but he also kind of sucks at reading the run holes.

Although I dont have much on Trey's complete profile (until I find something), the SPARQ score is just pure athleticism stuff,...no decision-making goes into it.

SPARQ' was an acronym it stands for: Speed, Power, Agility, Reaction and Quickness

Yea.....of course. Just the athleticism stuff.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I'm pretty sure he can. He just has to be more decisive. Trey is a higher SPARQ athlete

For those wondering how he compares athletically,....here goes...



That's going to only compare height, weight, and arm length. On the 2 jumps and the 40, Hurts tested very very well.

For the vert for Lance we can only go by reports since there may be no official listings:




https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-draft-trey-lance-won-t-run-40-at-pro-day-leaning-on-tape-to-show-speed

On a 44 yard run, the GPS doesn't lie.
If we were to believe these guys, Lance probably outdoes Hurts on the 40 and the vertical jump as well.

Everything swayed in Lance's favor, I'd give Hurts the broad jump by default with his score.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I'm pretty sure he can. He just has to be more decisive. Trey is a higher SPARQ athlete

For those wondering how he compares athletically,....here goes...



That's going to only compare height, weight, and arm length. On the 2 jumps and the 40, Hurts tested very very well.

For the vert for Lance we can only go by reports since there may be no official listings:




https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-draft-trey-lance-won-t-run-40-at-pro-day-leaning-on-tape-to-show-speed

On a 44 yard run, the GPS doesn't lie.
If we were to believe these guys, Lance probably outdoes Hurts on the 40 and the vertical jump as well.

Everything swayed in Lance's favor, I'd give Hurts the broad jump by default with his score.

uh oh. we're talking measurables.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I'm pretty sure he can. He just has to be more decisive. Trey is a higher SPARQ athlete

For those wondering how he compares athletically,....here goes...



That's going to only compare height, weight, and arm length. On the 2 jumps and the 40, Hurts tested very very well.

For the vert for Lance we can only go by reports since there may be no official listings:




https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-draft-trey-lance-won-t-run-40-at-pro-day-leaning-on-tape-to-show-speed

On a 44 yard run, the GPS doesn't lie.
If we were to believe these guys, Lance probably outdoes Hurts on the 40 and the vertical jump as well.

Everything swayed in Lance's favor, I'd give Hurts the broad jump by default with his score.

uh oh. we're talking measurables.

Hurts squats 600+ lbs. He runs like a Mack truck. He owns the NFL record for TDs in a Super Bowl rushing (tied) and TDs in a season rushing for a QB. Where do I see his power reflected in any of the above? I just see arm length and vertical..

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Ahh, just another one of those dudes who thinks the only person that can win or lose a game is the QB. Now I get your stance.

From my posts:

'I won't put it all on Trey, due to the Deebo fumble and poor weather conditions as examples, but he did not play well and our offense overall was outright bad'

'If the defense allowed 19 points in every game they played, they would be the 3rd ranked defense by oppg in the NFL. While they gave up an ugly broken play touchdown to the Bears, they were obviously not the primary cause of the loss. The offense was.'

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As you can see in plain English, I put the loss on the offense and don't solely blame Trey. Read better.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Ahh, just another one of those dudes who thinks the only person that can win or lose a game is the QB. Now I get your stance.

From my posts:

'I won't put it all on Trey, due to the Deebo fumble and poor weather conditions as examples, but he did not play well and our offense overall was outright bad'

'If the defense allowed 19 points in every game they played, they would be the 3rd ranked defense by oppg in the NFL. While they gave up an ugly broken play touchdown to the Bears, they were obviously not the primary cause of the loss. The offense was.'

———-

As you can see in plain English, I put the loss on the offense and don't solely blame Trey. Read better.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
What was the Super Bowl final score again? If you don't have a damn good scoring QB you are not going to win. These AFC young guns not going away. But many think Jimmy was enough. Still waiting for a ring. Maybe next year.

This is why Kyle made that trade. We had the best defense IMO in 2019 with the best DL and Pat Mahomes scores 21 points in the last five minutes of the game to take it away from us. Jimmy could do nothing after having played a fine season and it began to sink in that no matter the defense sometimes with the right QB there's just better offense. We knew we needed someone that could stay in step with Pat Mahomes because dude is a problem. We actually passed over him astonishingly ourselves when we KNEW we needed a QB in 2017 waiting on K Cousins which is laughable now

Obv the biggest mistake Shanahan ever made was not listening to Lynch on Patrick Mahomes.

All because of his love affair with Kirk effing Cousin. What a ****ing idiot.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Hurts squats 600+ lbs. He runs like a Mack truck. He owns the NFL record for TDs in a Super Bowl rushing (tied) and TDs in a season rushing for a QB. Where do I see his power reflected in any of the above? I just see arm length and vertical..

They don't test for max squat lifts. Maybe you mean bench press reps? Or are you just arguing with yourself here?