Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Silky:
In order for them both to workout, Trey needs to start this season as QB1 and prove he's a good QB. If he does that, we may never see Purdy start again. If that happens, some team may call for Purdy in 2024, but what do you think his value really is? He'd be 7-1 or 8-1 as a starter, but no team is going to give up a bounty of picks for that.

My point is it will be impossible for them both to play and prove they are worth "a bounty of picks." One may become that, and the other may go for a 2nd and 3rd and thats probably it.

That is the dilemma and will be debated for the next 12 months.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
What was the Super Bowl final score again? If you don't have a damn good scoring QB you are not going to win. These AFC young guns not going away. But many think Jimmy was enough. Still waiting for a ring. Maybe next year.

This is why Kyle made that trade. We had the best defense IMO in 2019 with the best DL and Pat Mahomes scores 21 points in the last five minutes of the game to take it away from us. Jimmy could do nothing after having played a fine season and it began to sink in that no matter the defense sometimes with the right QB there's just better offense. We knew we needed someone that could stay in step with Pat Mahomes because dude is a problem. We actually passed over him astonishingly ourselves when we KNEW we needed a QB in 2017 waiting on K Cousins which is laughable now

Obv the biggest mistake Shanahan ever made was not listening to Lynch on Patrick Mahomes.

All because of his love affair with Kirk effing Cousin. What a ****ing idiot.

Thatta way to throw your head coach under the bus!!!

LOL, its not wrong tho.

I dont get how Lance is bust already? Someone explain this logic to me.

PFF is just making noise. I find a lot of what they say is wrong or only partly true. They come up with team rankings and QB rankings based on ?????? Apparently they have knowledge based on 4 starts that Trey is a bust. That's going out on a limb just as much as the Niners did when they drafted him.

LANCE can not be bust at this moment... it's just unfortunate that he got hurt.. but the positive side of Purdy being possibly out next season is that it gives Lance the chance to showcase his talent (if he stays healthy) w/o having to look over his shoulder... and this should also help the coaching staff to NOT rush Purdy

Originally posted by 9moon:
Air Coryell
Sam Wyche
Mouse Davis
June Jones
Norv Turner
Mike Martz

.. beautiful OCs that just couldn't cut it as a HC.. that's pretty much what you can say about them..

If that's what you want to say about those coaches, feel free. Listing a bunch of OCs you think failed as HCs doesnt move the needle one way or the other when discussing Kyle Shanahan. Kyle Shanahan's accomplishments, as a HC, nearly match the accomplishments of that entire list combined... and he didn't get the benefit of taking over a top quality roster, like Turner did in San Diego in 07, or Martz for St. Louis in 00.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Air Coryell
Sam Wyche
Mouse Davis
June Jones
Norv Turner
Mike Martz

.. beautiful OCs that just couldn't cut it as a HC.. that's pretty much what you can say about them..

If that's what you want to say about those coaches, feel free. Listing a bunch of OCs you think failed as HCs doesnt move the needle one way or the other when discussing Kyle Shanahan. Kyle Shanahan's accomplishments, as a HC, nearly match the accomplishments of that entire list combined... and he didn't get the benefit of taking over a top quality roster, like Turner did in San Diego in 07, or Martz for St. Louis in 00.

Turner sucked at Washington unless you don't agree... Martz just like Kyle lost the Super Bowl because he wanted to prove that his offensive play calling was the key to the New England game.. Instead of using whatever brain he had on just allowing M. Faulk to run all over the Patriots, he tried to prove that he deserves most of the credit in building the Greatest Show on Turf..

By the way, how did you feel when you noticed that Kyle did not used Mostert until maybe in the 2nd quarter during the KC Super Bowl?

Originally posted by 9moon:
Turner sucked at Washington unless you don't agree... Martz just like Kyle lost the Super Bowl because he wanted to prove that his offensive play calling was the key to the New England game.. Instead of using whatever brain he had on just allowing M. Faulk to run all over the Patriots, he tried to prove that he deserves most of the credit in building the Greatest Show on Turf..

By the way, how did you feel when you noticed that Kyle did not used Mostert until maybe in the 2nd quarter during the KC Super Bowl?

My point was your list of coaches is absolutely useless in a discussion about Kyle Shanahan. If your argument is that Kyle Shanahan is a good OC but 'can't cut it' as a HC, then make your case based on what Kyle has or hasn't done.

So far, it seems that case hinges on Kyle not winning a SB yet, and apparently not using Raheem Mostert enough in a SB loss.

FWIW, I don't remember feeling anything regarding Mostert's usage in the Super Bowl, nor am I going to judge Kyle Shanahan as a coach based on a single game (even if he arguably made mistakes in said game). I'm judging Kyle as a HC on his complete body of work and what I feel he brings to the table in terms of his ability to build a staff and lead a team. His results have been extremely good, and we've been a top NFL team for nearly half a decade and running.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Turner sucked at Washington unless you don't agree... Martz just like Kyle lost the Super Bowl because he wanted to prove that his offensive play calling was the key to the New England game.. Instead of using whatever brain he had on just allowing M. Faulk to run all over the Patriots, he tried to prove that he deserves most of the credit in building the Greatest Show on Turf..

By the way, how did you feel when you noticed that Kyle did not used Mostert until maybe in the 2nd quarter during the KC Super Bowl?

My point was your list of coaches is absolutely useless in a discussion about Kyle Shanahan. If your argument is that Kyle Shanahan is a good OC but 'can't cut it' as a HC, then make your case based on what Kyle has or hasn't done.

So far, it seems that case hinges on Kyle not winning a SB yet, and apparently not using Raheem Mostert enough in a SB loss.

FWIW, I don't remember feeling anything regarding Mostert's usage in the Super Bowl, nor am I going to judge Kyle Shanahan as a coach based on a single game (even if he arguably made mistakes in said game). I'm judging Kyle as a HC on his complete body of work and what I feel he brings to the table in terms of his ability to build a staff and lead a team. His results have been extremely good, and we've been a top NFL team for nearly half a decade and running.

i can careless about those teams that you have in mind who's been trying to even just get in the playoffs.. and those sample I used, are just a few reasons why I think Shanny wont cut it..

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Actually it could've been. When Mahomes took over for Alex Smith they were already a playoff team. You think he would've been the same with a rookie head coach on a 0-9 9ers team!!

Just about. Yea

My .02 worth... We will never know but by the time Mahomes took over Tyreek Hill had already matured into a new threat and other pieces had fallen in place. However, the key to it all was Andy Reid's ability to craft an offense that worked with Mahomes' skill set. Without all that other stuff, Mahomes would have been David Carr - bruised, battered, and hoping to avoid Andrew Luck Part Two.

Thank you DJ I have been saying this in the Mahomes thread to the folks wanting to crown him the 'greatest QB of all time' even over Montana / Brady. Mahomes is one of the best I have ever seen do it, but let's not forget having Hill, Kelce and most of all a HOF play caller Reid, and the impact that had on his trajectory. An interesting thought experiment would be what would happen if Mahomes was drafted by the Jets, who seemingly have ruined all their QB prospects. I recall Steve Young with Tampa Bay. Interesting convo.

TL certainly has a huge advantage with SF. Kyle, BA, Deebo, Kittle, CMC, Trent it's an embarrassment of riches. One reason why BP was looking so strong, he played with Kittle and CMC, Trey has yet to do that.

Originally posted by 9moon:
i can careless about those teams that you have in mind who's been trying to even just get in the playoffs.. and those sample I used, are just a few reasons why I think Shanny wont cut it..

You should cite more of those examples, because what you have right now is an extremely weak argument for your belief that Kyle Shanahan can't or won't cut it as an HC. The only thing you can realistically point to is that he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet, and whether he bears the brunt of that failure is arguable at best. What isn't arguable is that he and the staff are responsible for building and coaching a roster that is in the position to win in the first place.

Must be the off-season, football cyberworld has absolutely nothing to talk about so have to make up all kinds of s**t.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Actually it could've been. When Mahomes took over for Alex Smith they were already a playoff team. You think he would've been the same with a rookie head coach on a 0-9 9ers team!!

Just about. Yea

My .02 worth... We will never know but by the time Mahomes took over Tyreek Hill had already matured into a new threat and other pieces had fallen in place. However, the key to it all was Andy Reid's ability to craft an offense that worked with Mahomes' skill set. Without all that other stuff, Mahomes would have been David Carr - bruised, battered, and hoping to avoid Andrew Luck Part Two.

Thank you DJ I have been saying this in the Mahomes thread to the folks wanting to crown him the 'greatest QB of all time' even over Montana / Brady. Mahomes is one of the best I have ever seen do it, but let's not forget having Hill, Kelce and most of all a HOF play caller Reid, and the impact that had on his trajectory. An interesting thought experiment would be what would happen if Mahomes was drafted by the Jets, who seemingly have ruined all their QB prospects. I recall Steve Young with Tampa Bay. Interesting convo.

TL certainly has a huge advantage with SF. Kyle, BA, Deebo, Kittle, CMC, Trent it's an embarrassment of riches. One reason why BP was looking so strong, he played with Kittle and CMC, Trey has yet to do that.

I am pretty sure Montana had all those things as well. But I do agree that crowning Mahomes now is extremely premature

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Actually it could've been. When Mahomes took over for Alex Smith they were already a playoff team. You think he would've been the same with a rookie head coach on a 0-9 9ers team!!

Just about. Yea

My .02 worth... We will never know but by the time Mahomes took over Tyreek Hill had already matured into a new threat and other pieces had fallen in place. However, the key to it all was Andy Reid's ability to craft an offense that worked with Mahomes' skill set. Without all that other stuff, Mahomes would have been David Carr - bruised, battered, and hoping to avoid Andrew Luck Part Two.

Thank you DJ I have been saying this in the Mahomes thread to the folks wanting to crown him the 'greatest QB of all time' even over Montana / Brady. Mahomes is one of the best I have ever seen do it, but let's not forget having Hill, Kelce and most of all a HOF play caller Reid, and the impact that had on his trajectory. An interesting thought experiment would be what would happen if Mahomes was drafted by the Jets, who seemingly have ruined all their QB prospects. I recall Steve Young with Tampa Bay. Interesting convo.

TL certainly has a huge advantage with SF. Kyle, BA, Deebo, Kittle, CMC, Trent it's an embarrassment of riches. One reason why BP was looking so strong, he played with Kittle and CMC, Trey has yet to do that.

I am pretty sure Montana had all those things as well. But I do agree that crowning Mahomes now is extremely premature

Montana did, entering with Walsh was a dream spot. Rice had it even better, entering with Montana and Walsh.

Alright, which one of you is this guy?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Actually it could've been. When Mahomes took over for Alex Smith they were already a playoff team. You think he would've been the same with a rookie head coach on a 0-9 9ers team!!

Just about. Yea

My .02 worth... We will never know but by the time Mahomes took over Tyreek Hill had already matured into a new threat and other pieces had fallen in place. However, the key to it all was Andy Reid's ability to craft an offense that worked with Mahomes' skill set. Without all that other stuff, Mahomes would have been David Carr - bruised, battered, and hoping to avoid Andrew Luck Part Two.

Thank you DJ I have been saying this in the Mahomes thread to the folks wanting to crown him the 'greatest QB of all time' even over Montana / Brady. Mahomes is one of the best I have ever seen do it, but let's not forget having Hill, Kelce and most of all a HOF play caller Reid, and the impact that had on his trajectory. An interesting thought experiment would be what would happen if Mahomes was drafted by the Jets, who seemingly have ruined all their QB prospects. I recall Steve Young with Tampa Bay. Interesting convo.

TL certainly has a huge advantage with SF. Kyle, BA, Deebo, Kittle, CMC, Trent it's an embarrassment of riches. One reason why BP was looking so strong, he played with Kittle and CMC, Trey has yet to do that.

I am pretty sure Montana had all those things as well. But I do agree that crowning Mahomes now is extremely premature

Hard to crown him when another guy just retired w/7 rings.

Given that, Mahomes is clearly a future HOFer even if he falls off some from this point forward.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Alright, which one of you is this guy?

My response to 49ers Rich Madrid & others questioning my take on Trey Lance lmao #49ers pic.twitter.com/a5pxqweNFU

— NFL QB Guru (@scoutqbs) February 13, 2023

This response was sophisticated. So it couldn't be an anti-Trey poster on this forum.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
This response was sophisticated. So it couldn't be an anti-Trey poster on this forum.

Yea, I think you're being extremely kind describing that as a sophisticated response. The very few items of substance from his statements have most certainly been presented by posters on this board.