Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
This response was sophisticated. So it couldn't be an anti-Trey poster on this forum.

Yea, I think you're being extremely kind describing that as a sophisticated response. The very few items of substance from his statements have most certainly been presented by posters on this board.

I am out of the loop is any of that true?

Does Trey Lance give off the vibe he is trying to be more of a personality then an NFL QB?

I have no idea....

The last thing I saw about Trey was he had no intention of working on his mechanics this offseason. I took it to mean that is something he already has been working on and he was going to work on something else this offseason.

Is there anything other than random rumors that would give us a better than average reason to think Trey spends his time trying to be a playboy rather than an NFL QB?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Actually it could've been. When Mahomes took over for Alex Smith they were already a playoff team. You think he would've been the same with a rookie head coach on a 0-9 9ers team!!

Just about. Yea

My .02 worth... We will never know but by the time Mahomes took over Tyreek Hill had already matured into a new threat and other pieces had fallen in place. However, the key to it all was Andy Reid's ability to craft an offense that worked with Mahomes' skill set. Without all that other stuff, Mahomes would have been David Carr - bruised, battered, and hoping to avoid Andrew Luck Part Two.

Thank you DJ I have been saying this in the Mahomes thread to the folks wanting to crown him the 'greatest QB of all time' even over Montana / Brady. Mahomes is one of the best I have ever seen do it, but let's not forget having Hill, Kelce and most of all a HOF play caller Reid, and the impact that had on his trajectory. An interesting thought experiment would be what would happen if Mahomes was drafted by the Jets, who seemingly have ruined all their QB prospects. I recall Steve Young with Tampa Bay. Interesting convo.

TL certainly has a huge advantage with SF. Kyle, BA, Deebo, Kittle, CMC, Trent it's an embarrassment of riches. One reason why BP was looking so strong, he played with Kittle and CMC, Trey has yet to do that.

I am pretty sure Montana had all those things as well. But I do agree that crowning Mahomes now is extremely premature

Montana did, entering with Walsh was a dream spot. Rice had it even better, entering with Montana and Walsh.

Yep, Montana is a good comparison. The weapons he had in 1980, Freddie Solomon, Dwight Clark, Earl Cooper, Lentil Elliott, etc. were not top-tier by any means but Walsh's ability to scheme them together changed the face of the franchise. Without Walsh and his vision of what he could do with Montana, things would not have gone well.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
I am out of the loop is any of that true?

Does Trey Lance give off the vibe he is trying to be more of a personality then an NFL QB?

I have no idea....

The last thing I saw about Trey was he had no intention of working on his mechanics this offseason. I took it to mean that is something he already has been working on and he was going to work on something else this offseason.

Is there anything other than random rumors that would give us a better than average reason to think Trey spends his time trying to be a playboy rather than an NFL QB?

The only real points of substance he had were that Trey didn't show meaningful improvement in terms of accuracy, footwork, or in his release.

The rest, including much of what you're talking/asking about here, is nonsense. The guy said Trey was trying to be a bouncer at a nightclub and get chicks attention. I guess that's based off his video with the strippers. Completely inane.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
This response was sophisticated. So it couldn't be an anti-Trey poster on this forum.

Yea, I think you're being extremely kind describing that as a sophisticated response. The very few items of substance from his statements have most certainly been presented by posters on this board.

Agreed. At least, saying bro, dude and f**k that often isn't a sophisticated way of talking, and as far as Trey's personality, I have no idea what this guy's problem is. I'm not an expert on mechanics, so can weigh in on that, but he just seemed bitter that someone called him out.

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
This Super Bowl shows how nice it would be if Trey developed to be able to react to things faster and improve that accuracy. He was a tick late last year and the year before, and his accuracy was simply not good enough.

Maybe Purdy is that guy. He played like it. But he didn't play like Mahomes and Hurts, in terms of being a threat for the entire field at all times, including the QB run. Trey has the talent to be one of those guys. So if you're asking what is the BEST possible scenario, it's this: Trey fixes the problems he has and takes over. If he does that, we have an elite offense. If he doesn't, Plan B is Purdy remains the starter going forward and we have a top ten guy for several years, but not a top 5 guy.

I love Purdy. Don't think I'm hating on him. But he'll never be in that Mahomes/Allen (and not Hurts) conversation, because he's not big enough, not strong enough, and not fast enough. Trey could, if by some chance he gets the rest (especially the accuracy and confidence in what he's seeing, neither of which he has right now). That's why Trey becoming "that guy" is the best case scenario, even if it's a long shot.

Purdy played as good as any QB in the league for the weeks he was out there. He's clearly not as mobile as Hurts, but he's probably not far off from Mahomes. Who knows if he can continue his torrid start, but I wouldn't agree that he wasn't a threat on par with Mahomes. He was all that and more, just a sample size that leaves questions.

Trey will clearly take some time to develop. If we throw out his Bears game, which we should because the game was played in a lake, his most recent tape is pretty darn good. An even smaller sample size though.

I don't know what either QB will become, but we have two shots to have one of the better guys in the league. If Purdy keeps playing like Joe Montana, then I don't know how you can ever take him out. If Trey comes in and builds on his promise while Purdy is recovering, then things get really interesting. Bottom line, we could have a talent as good as any QB in the league if the stars align, and it could be either guy.

Assuming (that's a big ask there) the 49ers have two franchise QBs, if I was ShanaLynch, I'd be pulling out the stops in upgrading that offensive line. One, to protect either one of them, and two to protect the soon to be traded other one -- once his rookie contract expires. Russell Wilson commanded a bevy of draft picks, and if either Trey or Purdy can be traded for a half of what Russel Wilson was traded for, that's still a huge amount of draft capital ShanaLynch can recover. That's still a ways down the road (the potential trade) but the protection issues are not.

I think either Purdy or Trey have the potential to be a franchise level QB. I don't see any arm or mobility weakness issues with either of them. Yes, one is physically loads stronger/faster than the other, but also one has more mastery of Kyle's offense than the other -- so for now it kind of evens out. Once both heal -- don't forget Trey (I think) still has some days or a week or two left before he can start his QB workouts -- they can compete and time will tell the 49ers who is *the* guy. The competition between both of them is going to be so entertaining!

This is the other part. I think BOTH are going to work out and my hope is that in 2 years,one can be move for a bounty of picks. The time to trade will be 2025, not now.

In order for them both to workout, Trey needs to start this season as QB1 and prove he's a good QB. If he does that, we may never see Purdy start again. If that happens, some team may call for Purdy in 2024, but what do you think his value really is? He'd be 7-1 or 8-1 as a starter, but no team is going to give up a bounty of picks for that.

My point is it will be impossible for them both to play and prove they are worth "a bounty of picks." One may become that, and the other may go for a 2nd and 3rd and thats probably it.

I might have overstated that, but I agree on Trey. As for Brock, I think if a redraft of 2022 were done, he goes in the 1st. I can see a team in a poor draft year trading the equivalent of that.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9moon:
ACTUALLY... the biggest mistake here was that everyone labeled Kyle as a great coach before he's done anything.. i

t's pretty similar to our own Baby Face Lance and how he will become an instant STAR because of Kyle and his offense... everyone forgot about how young the guy is, and only played one full year in college...

Everyone fell in love w/him because of the work out and how he launched that 63 yard pass rolling out to the left .. the worst part is that.. no one remembers..

JOHN WALSH
TOMMY MADDOX
MARK SANCHEZ
MITCH TRUBISKY

few QBs who left school too soon and too early and was expected to be a savior overnight..

Kyle's resume tells you he's a top coach in the NFL. While he's missing the ultimate achievement (SB victory) he and the rest of the staff turned around a bottom roster into a Super Bowl team in 3 years. 3 NFC title games and a Super Bowl appearance in his first 7 years as a head coach is impressive, especially given where they started. And that's just focusing on his and the team's achievements. If you want to get into his actual skills as a coach, his system, and his ability to field a top staff, his argument only gets stronger.

That isn't to say he's been perfect. He hasn't. He has warts just like every other coach.

Air Coryell
Sam Wyche
Mouse Davis
June Jones
Norv Turner
Mike Martz

.. beautiful OCs that just couldn't cut it as a HC.. that's pretty much what you can say about them..

None of whom have the success that Kyle has. Bad comp. And with Don Coryell, I'd blame the Chargers owner more for not wanting to pay Fred Dean, Gary Johnson, and Louie Kelcher

Originally posted by Heroism:
Alright, which one of you is this guy?

My response to 49ers Rich Madrid & others questioning my take on Trey Lance lmao #49ers pic.twitter.com/a5pxqweNFU

— NFL QB Guru (@scoutqbs) February 13, 2023

That does sound like some of the dumbass things said about him in here.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Alright, which one of you is this guy?

My response to 49ers Rich Madrid & others questioning my take on Trey Lance lmao #49ers pic.twitter.com/a5pxqweNFU

— NFL QB Guru (@scoutqbs) February 13, 2023

That does sound like some of the dumbass things said about him in here.

Definitely L take lol

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
This response was sophisticated. So it couldn't be an anti-Trey poster on this forum.

Yea, I think you're being extremely kind describing that as a sophisticated response. The very few items of substance from his statements have most certainly been presented by posters on this board.

I agree with your assessment. Lol. I was exaggerating.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I agree with your assessment. Lol. I was exaggerating.

Lol, fair enough. I did wonder if it was sarcastic.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
This Super Bowl shows how nice it would be if Trey developed to be able to react to things faster and improve that accuracy. He was a tick late last year and the year before, and his accuracy was simply not good enough.

Maybe Purdy is that guy. He played like it. But he didn't play like Mahomes and Hurts, in terms of being a threat for the entire field at all times, including the QB run. Trey has the talent to be one of those guys. So if you're asking what is the BEST possible scenario, it's this: Trey fixes the problems he has and takes over. If he does that, we have an elite offense. If he doesn't, Plan B is Purdy remains the starter going forward and we have a top ten guy for several years, but not a top 5 guy.

I love Purdy. Don't think I'm hating on him. But he'll never be in that Mahomes/Allen (and not Hurts) conversation, because he's not big enough, not strong enough, and not fast enough. Trey could, if by some chance he gets the rest (especially the accuracy and confidence in what he's seeing, neither of which he has right now). That's why Trey becoming "that guy" is the best case scenario, even if it's a long shot.

Purdy played as good as any QB in the league for the weeks he was out there. He's clearly not as mobile as Hurts, but he's probably not far off from Mahomes. Who knows if he can continue his torrid start, but I wouldn't agree that he wasn't a threat on par with Mahomes. He was all that and more, just a sample size that leaves questions.

Trey will clearly take some time to develop. If we throw out his Bears game, which we should because the game was played in a lake, his most recent tape is pretty darn good. An even smaller sample size though.

I don't know what either QB will become, but we have two shots to have one of the better guys in the league. If Purdy keeps playing like Joe Montana, then I don't know how you can ever take him out. If Trey comes in and builds on his promise while Purdy is recovering, then things get really interesting. Bottom line, we could have a talent as good as any QB in the league if the stars align, and it could be either guy.

He's not a threat to throw it at every conceivable corner of the field that Mahomes is. That isn't to say he doesn't have some amazing talent, which frankly in lots of ways is similar to Mahomes. He has excellent arm angles and processing speed. Within 15 yards from the line, he very much played on par with the likes of Mahomes. But—and I know people are going to cry about it—the pedestrian arm strength is a problem against elite defenses. It just is,

Trey has not shown the ability to throw from any platform the way Purdy has. He's not shown the speed of processing and speed of delivery (from see it to throw it) that Purdy has. But Trey has shown elite arm strength, and despite the freak ankle injury, he's big and strong. As of right now we'd be better off with Purdy—better than we were with Jimmy—assuming he were healthy. But it could be the team would be better if Trey maximized his potential.

But as I've said before, potential is a fart in the wind.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
This Super Bowl shows how nice it would be if Trey developed to be able to react to things faster and improve that accuracy. He was a tick late last year and the year before, and his accuracy was simply not good enough.

Maybe Purdy is that guy. He played like it. But he didn't play like Mahomes and Hurts, in terms of being a threat for the entire field at all times, including the QB run. Trey has the talent to be one of those guys. So if you're asking what is the BEST possible scenario, it's this: Trey fixes the problems he has and takes over. If he does that, we have an elite offense. If he doesn't, Plan B is Purdy remains the starter going forward and we have a top ten guy for several years, but not a top 5 guy.

I love Purdy. Don't think I'm hating on him. But he'll never be in that Mahomes/Allen (and not Hurts) conversation, because he's not big enough, not strong enough, and not fast enough. Trey could, if by some chance he gets the rest (especially the accuracy and confidence in what he's seeing, neither of which he has right now). That's why Trey becoming "that guy" is the best case scenario, even if it's a long shot.

Purdy played as good as any QB in the league for the weeks he was out there. He's clearly not as mobile as Hurts, but he's probably not far off from Mahomes. Who knows if he can continue his torrid start, but I wouldn't agree that he wasn't a threat on par with Mahomes. He was all that and more, just a sample size that leaves questions.

Trey will clearly take some time to develop. If we throw out his Bears game, which we should because the game was played in a lake, his most recent tape is pretty darn good. An even smaller sample size though.

I don't know what either QB will become, but we have two shots to have one of the better guys in the league. If Purdy keeps playing like Joe Montana, then I don't know how you can ever take him out. If Trey comes in and builds on his promise while Purdy is recovering, then things get really interesting. Bottom line, we could have a talent as good as any QB in the league if the stars align, and it could be either guy.

Assuming (that's a big ask there) the 49ers have two franchise QBs, if I was ShanaLynch, I'd be pulling out the stops in upgrading that offensive line. One, to protect either one of them, and two to protect the soon to be traded other one -- once his rookie contract expires. Russell Wilson commanded a bevy of draft picks, and if either Trey or Purdy can be traded for a half of what Russel Wilson was traded for, that's still a huge amount of draft capital ShanaLynch can recover. That's still a ways down the road (the potential trade) but the protection issues are not.

I think either Purdy or Trey have the potential to be a franchise level QB. I don't see any arm or mobility weakness issues with either of them. Yes, one is physically loads stronger/faster than the other, but also one has more mastery of Kyle's offense than the other -- so for now it kind of evens out. Once both heal -- don't forget Trey (I think) still has some days or a week or two left before he can start his QB workouts -- they can compete and time will tell the 49ers who is *the* guy. The competition between both of them is going to be so entertaining!

I don't think this is about "mastery of the offense." I think it's an inherent talent that Purdy has: elite processing speed, elite vision, and elite ability to throw from any platform. Trey knows the playbook. That has never EVER been the problem.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Bangbang89:
Trey lance can run better than Jalen hurts.

I'm pretty sure he can. He just has to be more decisive. Trey is a higher SPARQ athlete

You got a source for that?

From the eye test I've seen Trey can be fast and twitchy (Seahawks game comes to mind), but he also kind of sucks at reading the run holes.

Although I dont have much on Trey's complete profile (until I find something), the SPARQ score is just pure athleticism stuff,...no decision-making goes into it.

I know what SPARQ is, but when people generally mention that particular acronym, they're talking about actual measurements.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I'm pretty sure he can. He just has to be more decisive. Trey is a higher SPARQ athlete

For those wondering how he compares athletically,....here goes...



That's going to only compare height, weight, and arm length. On the 2 jumps and the 40, Hurts tested very very well.

For the vert for Lance we can only go by reports since there may be no official listings:




https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-draft-trey-lance-won-t-run-40-at-pro-day-leaning-on-tape-to-show-speed

On a 44 yard run, the GPS doesn't lie.
If we were to believe these guys, Lance probably outdoes Hurts on the 40 and the vertical jump as well.

Everything swayed in Lance's favor, I'd give Hurts the broad jump by default with his score.

Thank you. That's what I was specifically talking about when I asked for a source.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Actually it could've been. When Mahomes took over for Alex Smith they were already a playoff team. You think he would've been the same with a rookie head coach on a 0-9 9ers team!!

Just about. Yea

My .02 worth... We will never know but by the time Mahomes took over Tyreek Hill had already matured into a new threat and other pieces had fallen in place. However, the key to it all was Andy Reid's ability to craft an offense that worked with Mahomes' skill set. Without all that other stuff, Mahomes would have been David Carr - bruised, battered, and hoping to avoid Andrew Luck Part Two.

Seriously doubt it. You can't teach field vision, reaction time, arm angles and processing speed. Those are natural talents which Mahomes possessed in bunches. About the only way he would have struggled is if he'd been injured a lot as a rookie and lost confidence.