Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Seriously doubt it. You can't teach field vision, reaction time, arm angles and processing speed. Those are natural talents which Mahomes possessed in bunches. About the only way he would have struggled is if he'd been injured a lot as a rookie and lost confidence.

Interesting

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I'm pretty sure he can. He just has to be more decisive. Trey is a higher SPARQ athlete

For those wondering how he compares athletically,....here goes...



That's going to only compare height, weight, and arm length. On the 2 jumps and the 40, Hurts tested very very well.

For the vert for Lance we can only go by reports since there may be no official listings:




https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-draft-trey-lance-won-t-run-40-at-pro-day-leaning-on-tape-to-show-speed

On a 44 yard run, the GPS doesn't lie.
If we were to believe these guys, Lance probably outdoes Hurts on the 40 and the vertical jump as well.

Everything swayed in Lance's favor, I'd give Hurts the broad jump by default with his score.

Thank you. That's what I was specifically talking about when I asked for a source.

Why aren't Trey's 40 and broad/vertical shown in that chart? Hurts has Trey in literally everything except height.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Why aren't Trey's 40 and broad/vertical shown in that chart? Hurts has Trey in literally everything except height.

They usually go with combine/pro day stats.

Trey didn't officially run those so they're not in there.

He's not going to be a Lamar Jackson, Justin Fields level runner but some people have tried to downplay his athletic ability and I think that's people overreacting to the kid overthinking and adjusting to NFL speed.

Anyone who downplays his running ability should go back and watch him play in the Seattle game as a rookie. There is a clear difference in the way Trey ran in that game in QB scrambles vs how he ran in the games he actually started in and specifically on designed runs. I truly think the lack of success on some of those designed runs is Trey overthinking and not just reacting like he would on a QB scramble. It's one of the reasons I'm hoping Kyle cuts down the runs until Trey gets the feel for the NFL speed and saves the designed run stuff for key moments, redzone/goal line situations.

We have too many talented guys who can run the ball. You can use Trey's ability to keep team's honest and still reduce his designed runs.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Seriously doubt it. You can't teach field vision, reaction time, arm angles and processing speed. Those are natural talents which Mahomes possessed in bunches. About the only way he would have struggled is if he'd been injured a lot as a rookie and lost confidence.

Who gives a s**t about Mahomes? Dude is 1 of 1. Lance doesn't have to be him to be successful (if that's what the discussion is about).

I also completely disagree that you can't teach/learn/improve on field vision or processing speed.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Seriously doubt it. You can't teach field vision, reaction time, arm angles and processing speed. Those are natural talents which Mahomes possessed in bunches. About the only way he would have struggled is if he'd been injured a lot as a rookie and lost confidence.

Who gives a s**t about Mahomes? Dude is 1 of 1. Lance doesn't have to be him to be successful (if that's what the discussion is about).

I also completely disagree that you can't teach/learn/improve on field vision or processing speed.

We just gonna pretend like Mahomes didn't admit that he didn't learn how to properly read a defense til like 2 years ago?

But sure all that processing speed and field vision was natural. Maybe we can just sign Jackson Mahomes since it must be genetic.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Why aren't Trey's 40 and broad/vertical shown in that chart? Hurts has Trey in literally everything except height.

Because Lance got drafted mid Covid. When a lot of people didn't have combine numbers. That's what the graph represents.

Lance has been laser timed in the 4.5s and has been GPS in game at 21.54 MPH. Speed is not an issue.

the difference is most of Hurts runs are based of read options. He's damn good at recognizing those option runs (when to hand off/when to pull and go). He did it a ton at Bama and then Oklahoma.

Lance needs to just go when he's gonna run. He hesitates sometimes. That's just another lack of rep issue.

Originally posted by genus49:
We just gonna pretend like Mahomes didn't admit that he didn't learn how to properly read a defense til like 2 years ago?

But sure all that processing speed and field vision was natural. Maybe we can just sign Jackson Mahomes since it must be genetic.

Rings just likes to rehash how correct he was about Mahomes lol. We get it.

yeah it's silly man. You can absolutely improve upon those things…Jackson Mahomes

remember the long dumb debates about the Bosas being genetically predisposed to getting injuries lol. Gotta pass on Nick because of it, here's a google article lol. That was fun.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
We just gonna pretend like Mahomes didn't admit that he didn't learn how to properly read a defense til like 2 years ago?

But sure all that processing speed and field vision was natural. Maybe we can just sign Jackson Mahomes since it must be genetic.

Rings just likes to rehash how correct he was about Mahomes lol. We get it.

yeah it's silly man. You can absolutely improve upon those things…Jackson Mahomes

remember the long dumb debates about the Bosas being genetically predisposed to getting injuries lol. Gotta pass on Nick because of it, here's a google article lol. That was fun.

We can talk all day in the Kyle thread...he has years of data we can bs over..... Lance has 3.5 starts. Calling him anything but an unknown and lets see how he plays is the only correct response. I pretty much avoid this thread now because its nonsense.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
This Super Bowl shows how nice it would be if Trey developed to be able to react to things faster and improve that accuracy. He was a tick late last year and the year before, and his accuracy was simply not good enough.

Maybe Purdy is that guy. He played like it. But he didn't play like Mahomes and Hurts, in terms of being a threat for the entire field at all times, including the QB run. Trey has the talent to be one of those guys. So if you're asking what is the BEST possible scenario, it's this: Trey fixes the problems he has and takes over. If he does that, we have an elite offense. If he doesn't, Plan B is Purdy remains the starter going forward and we have a top ten guy for several years, but not a top 5 guy.

I love Purdy. Don't think I'm hating on him. But he'll never be in that Mahomes/Allen (and not Hurts) conversation, because he's not big enough, not strong enough, and not fast enough. Trey could, if by some chance he gets the rest (especially the accuracy and confidence in what he's seeing, neither of which he has right now). That's why Trey becoming "that guy" is the best case scenario, even if it's a long shot.

Purdy played as good as any QB in the league for the weeks he was out there. He's clearly not as mobile as Hurts, but he's probably not far off from Mahomes. Who knows if he can continue his torrid start, but I wouldn't agree that he wasn't a threat on par with Mahomes. He was all that and more, just a sample size that leaves questions.

Trey will clearly take some time to develop. If we throw out his Bears game, which we should because the game was played in a lake, his most recent tape is pretty darn good. An even smaller sample size though.

I don't know what either QB will become, but we have two shots to have one of the better guys in the league. If Purdy keeps playing like Joe Montana, then I don't know how you can ever take him out. If Trey comes in and builds on his promise while Purdy is recovering, then things get really interesting. Bottom line, we could have a talent as good as any QB in the league if the stars align, and it could be either guy.

Assuming (that's a big ask there) the 49ers have two franchise QBs, if I was ShanaLynch, I'd be pulling out the stops in upgrading that offensive line. One, to protect either one of them, and two to protect the soon to be traded other one -- once his rookie contract expires. Russell Wilson commanded a bevy of draft picks, and if either Trey or Purdy can be traded for a half of what Russel Wilson was traded for, that's still a huge amount of draft capital ShanaLynch can recover. That's still a ways down the road (the potential trade) but the protection issues are not.

I think either Purdy or Trey have the potential to be a franchise level QB. I don't see any arm or mobility weakness issues with either of them. Yes, one is physically loads stronger/faster than the other, but also one has more mastery of Kyle's offense than the other -- so for now it kind of evens out. Once both heal -- don't forget Trey (I think) still has some days or a week or two left before he can start his QB workouts -- they can compete and time will tell the 49ers who is *the* guy. The competition between both of them is going to be so entertaining!

I don't think this is about "mastery of the offense." I think it's an inherent talent that Purdy has: elite processing speed, elite vision, and elite ability to throw from any platform. Trey knows the playbook. That has never EVER been the problem.

Well I agree his processor is faster than Trey's right now. That doesn't mean that Trey doesn't have it either. I'm hoping the muscle is there, it just has to be strengthened. I also hope he can get used to the speed of the NFL the way Brock was able to adjust in the 2nd half of NFL playoff games. Man, if Trey's processor can get to Purdy's level, you have a Mahomes Plus on your hands.

We gave up the 29th overall pick last year and the 29th overall pick this year for Trey Lance.

But it feels like we gave up two #1 overall picks when we talk about the trade. Normally if a person looked at the results and draft picks given up we would look like the winners in that trade taking us from #12 overall all the way back to #29 in back to back years. Problem here is that he wasn't on the field for it.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We gave up the 29th overall pick last year and the 29th overall pick this year for Trey Lance.

But it feels like we gave up two #1 overall picks when we talk about the trade. Normally if a person looked at the results and draft picks given up we would look like the winners in that trade taking us from #12 overall all the way back to #29 in back to back years. Problem here is that he wasn't on the field for it.

I hate that trade and this is not an anti TL convo.. not even talking TL.. but the idea of going back 9 picks and giving up the next two years worth of firsts is just dumb.

Pick 12 had some real players there and we could have kept all the ones.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Why aren't Trey's 40 and broad/vertical shown in that chart? Hurts has Trey in literally everything except height.

Because Lance got drafted mid Covid. When a lot of people didn't have combine numbers. That's what the graph represents.

Lance has been laser timed in the 4.5s and has been GPS in game at 21.54 MPH. Speed is not an issue.

the difference is most of Hurts runs are based of read options. He's damn good at recognizing those option runs (when to hand off/when to pull and go). He did it a ton at Bama and then Oklahoma.

Lance needs to just go when he's gonna run. He hesitates sometimes. That's just another lack of rep issue.

Yup. Just doesn't trust what he sees, but the talent is there and he won't learn to trust it without stacking several games back to back.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Why aren't Trey's 40 and broad/vertical shown in that chart? Hurts has Trey in literally everything except height.

Because Lance got drafted mid Covid. When a lot of people didn't have combine numbers. That's what the graph represents.

Lance has been laser timed in the 4.5s and has been GPS in game at 21.54 MPH. Speed is not an issue.

the difference is most of Hurts runs are based of read options. He's damn good at recognizing those option runs (when to hand off/when to pull and go). He did it a ton at Bama and then Oklahoma.

Lance needs to just go when he's gonna run. He hesitates sometimes. That's just another lack of rep issue.

You're right. He never really took off anfd ran in the few times he left the pocket. There was hesitation or it was up the middle which was kind of clogged up. I've seen film of him running in college and there's no question he can do it. I feel the same as you. He needs more and more reps until he's comfortable with what he sees in front of him.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We gave up the 29th overall pick last year and the 29th overall pick this year for Trey Lance.

But it feels like we gave up two #1 overall picks when we talk about the trade. Normally if a person looked at the results and draft picks given up we would look like the winners in that trade taking us from #12 overall all the way back to #29 in back to back years. Problem here is that he wasn't on the field for it.

I hate that trade and this is not an anti TL convo.. not even talking TL.. but the idea of going back 9 picks and giving up the next two years worth of firsts is just dumb.

Pick 12 had some real players there and we could have kept all the ones.

Micah Parsons paired with Bosa

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We gave up the 29th overall pick last year and the 29th overall pick this year for Trey Lance.

But it feels like we gave up two #1 overall picks when we talk about the trade. Normally if a person looked at the results and draft picks given up we would look like the winners in that trade taking us from #12 overall all the way back to #29 in back to back years. Problem here is that he wasn't on the field for it.

I hate that trade and this is not an anti TL convo.. not even talking TL.. but the idea of going back 9 picks and giving up the next two years worth of firsts is just dumb.

Pick 12 had some real players there and we could have kept all the ones.

Micah Parsons paired with Bosa

Would break the NFL.. we may be at the parade right now