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Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Assuming (that's a big ask there) the 49ers have two franchise QBs, if I was ShanaLynch, I'd be pulling out the stops in upgrading that offensive line. One, to protect either one of them, and two to protect the soon to be traded other one -- once his rookie contract expires. Russell Wilson commanded a bevy of draft picks, and if either Trey or Purdy can be traded for a half of what Russel Wilson was traded for, that's still a huge amount of draft capital ShanaLynch can recover. That's still a ways down the road (the potential trade) but the protection issues are not.

I think either Purdy or Trey have the potential to be a franchise level QB. I don't see any arm or mobility weakness issues with either of them. Yes, one is physically loads stronger/faster than the other, but also one has more mastery of Kyle's offense than the other -- so for now it kind of evens out. Once both heal -- don't forget Trey (I think) still has some days or a week or two left before he can start his QB workouts -- they can compete and time will tell the 49ers who is *the* guy. The competition between both of them is going to be so entertaining!

Yup. I hope they both ball out and I hope as I've been saying all along that we have some good problems. Or as the late John Lewis said "Let's get in some good trubble!"


Yup, we are definitely stronger in the QB squad versus last year. Once you get the QB position down, the rest is easier, relatively speaking. Both QBs mobility have helped the OLine perform better. I think the defense will be stronger with Drake continuing to develop as well as Wilks hopefully developing the defensive backfield more. ShanaLynch has found gems all over the draft and in the undrafted area. They have, I think, 8+ draft picks in 2023, and we'll see which position groups ShanaLynch struck the lotto ticket again.
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Originally posted by Silky:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
This Super Bowl shows how nice it would be if Trey developed to be able to react to things faster and improve that accuracy. He was a tick late last year and the year before, and his accuracy was simply not good enough.

Maybe Purdy is that guy. He played like it. But he didn't play like Mahomes and Hurts, in terms of being a threat for the entire field at all times, including the QB run. Trey has the talent to be one of those guys. So if you're asking what is the BEST possible scenario, it's this: Trey fixes the problems he has and takes over. If he does that, we have an elite offense. If he doesn't, Plan B is Purdy remains the starter going forward and we have a top ten guy for several years, but not a top 5 guy.

I love Purdy. Don't think I'm hating on him. But he'll never be in that Mahomes/Allen (and not Hurts) conversation, because he's not big enough, not strong enough, and not fast enough. Trey could, if by some chance he gets the rest (especially the accuracy and confidence in what he's seeing, neither of which he has right now). That's why Trey becoming "that guy" is the best case scenario, even if it's a long shot.

Purdy played as good as any QB in the league for the weeks he was out there. He's clearly not as mobile as Hurts, but he's probably not far off from Mahomes. Who knows if he can continue his torrid start, but I wouldn't agree that he wasn't a threat on par with Mahomes. He was all that and more, just a sample size that leaves questions.

Trey will clearly take some time to develop. If we throw out his Bears game, which we should because the game was played in a lake, his most recent tape is pretty darn good. An even smaller sample size though.

I don't know what either QB will become, but we have two shots to have one of the better guys in the league. If Purdy keeps playing like Joe Montana, then I don't know how you can ever take him out. If Trey comes in and builds on his promise while Purdy is recovering, then things get really interesting. Bottom line, we could have a talent as good as any QB in the league if the stars align, and it could be either guy.

Assuming (that's a big ask there) the 49ers have two franchise QBs, if I was ShanaLynch, I'd be pulling out the stops in upgrading that offensive line. One, to protect either one of them, and two to protect the soon to be traded other one -- once his rookie contract expires. Russell Wilson commanded a bevy of draft picks, and if either Trey or Purdy can be traded for a half of what Russel Wilson was traded for, that's still a huge amount of draft capital ShanaLynch can recover. That's still a ways down the road (the potential trade) but the protection issues are not.

I think either Purdy or Trey have the potential to be a franchise level QB. I don't see any arm or mobility weakness issues with either of them. Yes, one is physically loads stronger/faster than the other, but also one has more mastery of Kyle's offense than the other -- so for now it kind of evens out. Once both heal -- don't forget Trey (I think) still has some days or a week or two left before he can start his QB workouts -- they can compete and time will tell the 49ers who is *the* guy. The competition between both of them is going to be so entertaining!

This is the other part. I think BOTH are going to work out and my hope is that in 2 years,one can be move for a bounty of picks. The time to trade will be 2025, not now.

In order for them both to workout, Trey needs to start this season as QB1 and prove he's a good QB. If he does that, we may never see Purdy start again. If that happens, some team may call for Purdy in 2024, but what do you think his value really is? He'd be 7-1 or 8-1 as a starter, but no team is going to give up a bounty of picks for that.

My point is it will be impossible for them both to play and prove they are worth "a bounty of picks." One may become that, and the other may go for a 2nd and 3rd and thats probably it.

I don't think you can say that with any amount of certainty. Desperate Bottom feeding teams will do what they will do. But clearly if neither Brock nor Trey are healthy - thier value is zero.

I think both can develop even with a reduced playing time. Its a matter of improving with the game reps that they got. Brock improved despite not getting a lot of game and practice reps. If Trey cant equal that kind of improvement without getting game reps - i think that might be an indication he may take longer to develop and you adjust your plans accordingly. Right now, none of that is in evidence. I think Trey can improve despite not getting all the reps if Brock was healthy.

Good news for Trey is that Brock will have 6+ months to heal up, that means Trey has 6 months to get a head start on Brock.
It's a big assumption to think we have two franchise QBs. The way Purdy was playing as a rookie it was looking that way....until the injury. Let's see how he comes back from injury before we assume he's a FQB.

Lance is hopes and prayers until he shows he's capable of being a FQB like Purdy before injury.
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Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Obv the biggest mistake Shanahan ever made was not listening to Lynch on Patrick Mahomes.

All because of his love affair with Kirk effing Cousin. What a ****ing idiot.

Well look on the bright side. He drafted Purdy. Purdy looks to be one heck of a QB that will win a lot of games. He should be credited with that at least.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Would break the NFL.. we may be at the parade right now

We tried that in 2019. KC just held us all game with no calls until Mahomes heated up late 4th
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
It's a big assumption to think we have two franchise QBs. The way Purdy was playing as a rookie it was looking that way....until the injury. Let's see how he comes back from injury before we assume he's a FQB.

Lance is hopes and prayers until he shows he's capable of being a FQB like Purdy before injury.

It's not hopes and prayers it's just time to get a proper evaluation.

We got no real look at Trey this season, certainly nothing like we got to see with Brock. Unfortunately Brock's 9ish games or Trey's 4ish games are not enough to say franchise QB or not.

I think we have a lot to get excited about with both guys though. Biggest question is staying healthy. Hopefully they do and we get ourselves two studs and hopefully the team picks the better of the two to keep long term.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
It's a big assumption to think we have two franchise QBs. The way Purdy was playing as a rookie it was looking that way....until the injury. Let's see how he comes back from injury before we assume he's a FQB.

Lance is hopes and prayers until he shows he's capable of being a FQB like Purdy before injury.

It's not hopes and prayers it's just time to get a proper evaluation.

We got no real look at Trey this season, certainly nothing like we got to see with Brock. Unfortunately Brock's 9ish games or Trey's 4ish games are not enough to say franchise QB or not.

I think we have a lot to get excited about with both guys though. Biggest question is staying healthy. Hopefully they do and we get ourselves two studs and hopefully the team picks the better of the two to keep long term.

Purdy was trending that way before the injury. Now we have to hope and pray he comes back from a serious injury and picks up where he left off. We're also hoping and praying Lance improves in areas that will make him capable of being an Elite FQB that everyone hoped for when drafted. So much uncertainty heading into the season. Far from having two FQB at this time. That's what were all hoping for, but at the end of the day that's all it is right now...hope.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
It's a big assumption to think we have two franchise QBs. The way Purdy was playing as a rookie it was looking that way....until the injury. Let's see how he comes back from injury before we assume he's a FQB.

Lance is hopes and prayers until he shows he's capable of being a FQB like Purdy before injury.

Yea, I have yet to see anyone outside of this board (or current/ex 9er) that think anything of Trey. Literally the only people that think Trey has it are the ones on here that keep telling us that.

I hear alot of positive things about Purdy. Everyone outside this forum was 50/50 on Jimmy.

Damn near NO ONE outside of our posters here really think Trey has it
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
It's a big assumption to think we have two franchise QBs. The way Purdy was playing as a rookie it was looking that way....until the injury. Let's see how he comes back from injury before we assume he's a FQB.

Lance is hopes and prayers until he shows he's capable of being a FQB like Purdy before injury.

Yea, I have yet to see anyone outside of this board (or current/ex 9er) that think anything of Trey. Literally the only people that think Trey has it are the ones on here that keep telling us that.

I hear alot of positive things about Purdy. Everyone outside this forum was 50/50 on Jimmy.

Damn near NO ONE outside of our posters here really think Trey has it

You're right and it makes you think. Doesn't come across as just niner hate because many have given Purdy his props and have spoken very highly of him.
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Originally posted by glorydayz:
We gave up the 29th overall pick last year and the 29th overall pick this year for Trey Lance.

But it feels like we gave up two #1 overall picks when we talk about the trade. Normally if a person looked at the results and draft picks given up we would look like the winners in that trade taking us from #12 overall all the way back to #29 in back to back years. Problem here is that he wasn't on the field for it.

Well the other way of looking at it is that Brock balances that out. We have two potential Franchise QBs, for three late first round picks and a couple of day three draft change. If you look at what Denver gave up for Russel Wilson, three late first round picks (almost high 2nd round picks in a sense) for Two franchise QBs -- looks like a bargain.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
We gave up the 29th overall pick last year and the 29th overall pick this year for Trey Lance.

But it feels like we gave up two #1 overall picks when we talk about the trade. Normally if a person looked at the results and draft picks given up we would look like the winners in that trade taking us from #12 overall all the way back to #29 in back to back years. Problem here is that he wasn't on the field for it.

I hate that trade and this is not an anti TL convo.. not even talking TL.. but the idea of going back 9 picks and giving up the next two years worth of firsts is just dumb.

Pick 12 had some real players there and we could have kept all the ones.

Micah Parsons paired with Bosa

Would break the NFL.. we may be at the parade right now

Wouldn't every team in the NFL like to re-do their draft picks, though?

I just don't understand the obsession with hindsight some have here.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
We gave up the 29th overall pick last year and the 29th overall pick this year for Trey Lance.

But it feels like we gave up two #1 overall picks when we talk about the trade. Normally if a person looked at the results and draft picks given up we would look like the winners in that trade taking us from #12 overall all the way back to #29 in back to back years. Problem here is that he wasn't on the field for it.

I hate that trade and this is not an anti TL convo.. not even talking TL.. but the idea of going back 9 picks and giving up the next two years worth of firsts is just dumb.

Pick 12 had some real players there and we could have kept all the ones.

Micah Parsons paired with Bosa

Would break the NFL.. we may be at the parade right now

Wouldn't every team in the NFL like to re-do their draft picks, though?

I just don't understand the obsession with hindsight some have here.

It's only hindsight if you are just realizing it now.. if you realized it before the draft, that ain't hindsight.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Obv the biggest mistake Shanahan ever made was not listening to Lynch on Patrick Mahomes.

All because of his love affair with Kirk effing Cousin. What a ****ing idiot.

Well look on the bright side. He drafted Purdy. Purdy looks to be one heck of a QB that will win a lot of games. He should be credited with that at least.

That one will always come back to haunt us 😱 but you are right, at least we have Purdy to help heal our wounds
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Obv the biggest mistake Shanahan ever made was not listening to Lynch on Patrick Mahomes.

All because of his love affair with Kirk effing Cousin. What a ****ing idiot.

Well look on the bright side. He drafted Purdy. Purdy looks to be one heck of a QB that will win a lot of games. He should be credited with that at least.

That one will always come back to haunt us 😱 but you are right, at least we have Purdy to help heal our wounds

He didn't draft Purdy. Griese and a scout pushed for Purdy.

And Chris Simms speaks the truth.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/brock-purdy-clear-edge-vs-200000589.html
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
He didn't draft Purdy. Griese and a scout pushed for Purdy.

And Chris Simms speaks the truth.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/brock-purdy-clear-edge-vs-200000589.html

Simms is speaking along te same lines as me
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