Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Obv the biggest mistake Shanahan ever made was not listening to Lynch on Patrick Mahomes.

All because of his love affair with Kirk effing Cousin. What a ****ing idiot.

Well look on the bright side. He drafted Purdy. Purdy looks to be one heck of a QB that will win a lot of games. He should be credited with that at least.

Some of this stuff is like the spouse that nags you for a decision 15 years ago. Every bad thing goes back to then.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
It's a big assumption to think we have two franchise QBs. The way Purdy was playing as a rookie it was looking that way....until the injury. Let's see how he comes back from injury before we assume he's a FQB.

Lance is hopes and prayers until he shows he's capable of being a FQB like Purdy before injury.

It is. But I'm an eternal optimist. 95% of what pessimists thinks is going to happen, never happen anyway - so as a optimist, I'm 95% ahead of the pessimists.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You aren't getting it lol I said I wasn't a fan of moving up at the time we did it.. I stand by that 100%.. that quote isn't mocking anyone it's saying good job to our team for shutting down elite rushers. We have always handled Donald well and Parsons also. Stand by that 100%.

What you replied to was the "Can you imagine IF Bosa and Parsons...."

You are the replier and you said it's not needless hindsight IF....

Once you've crossed that threshold,...the onus is then on YOU,...my friend.

Cause then we're going to dig into the archives (that arent deleted) and show how you didnt even post in the damn thread. On this particular IF scenario, you were completely clueless regarding it and what makes it funny is you mocked his ability even after a strong rookie season.

But yea,...no hindsight, agenda-driven garbage here.

So the only way that a person can look back and wonder "what if" is if they ALSO had those same thoughts before the draft? You have to be kidding me with this nonsense. I was cheering when we took Lance, I like his skillset. I wasn't a fan of moving up though, because I feel value is very important in the draft. I'm sure I had zero posts about Parsons either. But you're GOD DAMN RIGHT I have thought about and wondered where we'd be if we had just stayed put and drafted Parsons. Bosa + Parsons would be absolutely lethal.

And now that we did trade up and did take Trey - his value is going to be measured against what we could have had, had we not moved up. That's what happens when teams trade picks or players to move up.

Your constant sanctimonious posts are old and stale, give it a rest.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
It's a big assumption to think we have two franchise QBs. The way Purdy was playing as a rookie it was looking that way....until the injury. Let's see how he comes back from injury before we assume he's a FQB.

Lance is hopes and prayers until he shows he's capable of being a FQB like Purdy before injury.

It's not hopes and prayers it's just time to get a proper evaluation.

We got no real look at Trey this season, certainly nothing like we got to see with Brock. Unfortunately Brock's 9ish games or Trey's 4ish games are not enough to say franchise QB or not.

I think we have a lot to get excited about with both guys though. Biggest question is staying healthy. Hopefully they do and we get ourselves two studs and hopefully the team picks the better of the two to keep long term.

I think a big part of the QBs staying healthy would be the Big OLine guys staying healthy. A lot of breakdowns came from the right side. McGlinchey wasn't totally 💯% playing RT in some games, although he did manage to play every game pretty much. (I believe in a couple of games he played with broken ribs)

Beating KC - you need an offense to score. You don't beat KC with just defense and stopping Mahomes. You have to be prepared to play a track meet type of game where the last one having the ball usually wins. Purdy was scoring in the 30's on average - that gave me confidence that he could put up 30-40 points against that KC defense and win a track meet type game.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You aren't getting it lol I said I wasn't a fan of moving up at the time we did it.. I stand by that 100%.. that quote isn't mocking anyone it's saying good job to our team for shutting down elite rushers. We have always handled Donald well and Parsons also. Stand by that 100%.

What you replied to was the "Can you imagine IF Bosa and Parsons...."

You are the replier and you said it's not needless hindsight IF....

Once you've crossed that threshold,...the onus is then on YOU,...my friend.

To easy random, I had the opinion we shouldn't move up.. that means we are sitting there at 12, we have Mac on the board, Parsons all those guys.. you name it.. could have done a million things. Just in general terms, I don't like flying up at the expense of 2021-2023 first round selections. That's massive investment and the draft is speculative at best. I would rather have three lotto tickets than one very high priced ticket, if that makes sense. That's all I am claiming.. not saying I knew who any of these guys would be.. far from it, just saying I didn't like the bold move up, unless it was for Fields, I liked him.

Originally posted by Furlow:
So the only way that a person can look back and wonder "what if" is if they ALSO had those same thoughts before the draft?

No. You can "what if"* yourself all day long.

*But here's the footnote: The other teams would all make different moves every single draft if they could "what IF" as well.

But all 32 teams are not allowed to use the NFL's Back2TheFuture-mobile,....so it's even across the board.

There is no team out there taking advantage of "What Ifs" that we are not.

So if you are going to make a pointless point, be ready for the obvious "well duh" reply.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
To easy random, I had the opinion we shouldn't move up.. that means we are sitting there at 12, we have Mac on the board, Parsons all those guys.. you name it.. could have done a million things.

All teams would have done things differently as well if they were able to use hindsight, then rewind time. But as I previously stated, time travel is restricted in the latest CBA.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
So the only way that a person can look back and wonder "what if" is if they ALSO had those same thoughts before the draft?

No. You can "what if"* yourself all day long.

*But here's the footnote: The other teams would all make different moves every single draft if they could "what IF" as well.

But all 32 teams are not allowed to use the NFL's Back2TheFuture-mobile,....so it's even across the board.

There is no team out there taking advantage of "What Ifs" that we are not.

So if you are going to make a pointless point, be ready for the obvious "well duh" reply.

Why don't you do a re-draft of the past draft classes like ESPN or other publications do give us the scoop

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Obv the biggest mistake Shanahan ever made was not listening to Lynch on Patrick Mahomes.

All because of his love affair with Kirk effing Cousin. What a ****ing idiot.

Well look on the bright side. He drafted Purdy. Purdy looks to be one heck of a QB that will win a lot of games. He should be credited with that at least.

Some of this stuff is like the spouse that nags you for a decision 15 years ago. Every bad thing goes back to then.

I'm not one to criticize opinions on an opinion board, but that does get a bit tiring. Its posting the same ol sam ol, without something new. I dont think 9moon is a bad person, same with CCiowa, and the others that share that kind of mindset, I just think they need to get a bit more newness and some creativity in their opinions because we have a great team, a great situation (two potentially great QBs) etc.. so many good things to talk about vs bad. I mean a 13-4 season isn't bad (I predicted it ) losing in the NFCCG doesn't mean Kyle sucks. Anyway, opinions are like armpits, everybody has them and they all stink.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
To easy random, I had the opinion we shouldn't move up.. that means we are sitting there at 12, we have Mac on the board, Parsons all those guys.. you name it.. could have done a million things.

All teams would have done things differently as well if they were able to use hindsight, then rewind time. But as I previously stated, time travel is restricted in the latest CBA.

Again, and you seem to be going in circles which may be your thing, but I had this conclusion at the time of the trade. some 49er fans liked the move up some didn't, I didn't. I still don't. Nothing against TL, more about I like quantity of firsts over quality, generally speaking. I think pick 12 and two pick 29s or whatever it came to have more value than 1 pick 3. No time machine needed my friend, same opinion at all times of the process.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
So the only way that a person can look back and wonder "what if" is if they ALSO had those same thoughts before the draft?

No. You can "what if"* yourself all day long.

*But here's the footnote: The other teams would all make different moves every single draft if they could "what IF" as well.

But all 32 teams are not allowed to use the NFL's Back2TheFuture-mobile,....so it's even across the board.

There is no team out there taking advantage of "What Ifs" that we are not.

So if you are going to make a pointless point, be ready for the obvious "well duh" reply.

90% of your posts are "pointless points" yet here you are every day doing it all over again. 49ersfaithful wasn't saying "I told you so." That is the only "threshold" that one would have to "defend" as you are insinuating. This is a message board, and we are all free to make any point that we like. In this case, 49ersfaithful is saying he didn't want to move up. Neither did I. Hell even if someone DID want to move up, they sure as hell can now say "damn we messed that up, and imagine what we could have had." Nothing wrong with that.

We're not "other teams." We're not making money doing this. No one is going to get fired for having the wrong opinion. So take a chill pill and relax.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Again, and you seem to be going in circles which may be your thing, but I had this conclusion at the time of the trade. some 49er fans liked the move up some didn't, I didn't. I still don't. Nothing against TL, more about I like quantity of firsts over quality, generally speaking. I think pick 12 and two pick 29s or whatever it came to have more value than 1 pick 3. No time machine needed my friend, same opinion at all times of the process.

Ok. You thought we shouldnt've moved up. So what? Can you build on how being a doubting Thomas somehow adds substance here?

I fail to see how saying no to things after-the-fact is at all insightful.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
To easy random, I had the opinion we shouldn't move up.. that means we are sitting there at 12, we have Mac on the board, Parsons all those guys.. you name it.. could have done a million things.

All teams would have done things differently as well if they were able to use hindsight, then rewind time. But as I previously stated, time travel is restricted in the latest CBA.

Again, and you seem to be going in circles which may be your thing, but I had this conclusion at the time of the trade. some 49er fans liked the move up some didn't, I didn't. I still don't. Nothing against TL, more about I like quantity of firsts over quality, generally speaking. I think pick 12 and two pick 29s or whatever it came to have more value than 1 pick 3. No time machine needed my friend, same opinion at all times of the process.

The issue is that stupid draft pick value chart that is used to come up with draft compensation for trades. It is ridiculously weighted towards the top picks. I agree with you, having multiple 1sts is almost always better than only one pick at the top. Especially at the QB position, and even more so on a team that had a roster that was/is Super Bowl ready.

Originally posted by Furlow:
49ersfaithful wasn't saying "I told you so."

"I told you so" is precisely what he is saying, but you chimed in in the middle. Here:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/195159-qb-trey-lance-thread/page3740/

You're completely lost if you can't find it, cause I'm not going to help you with arrows this time.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right right just like Jimmy having 5 consecutive INTs in preseason. I'm sure you deemed Jimmy a bust as soon as that happened. Trash right? Brock was far from amazing in TC.

Lance was the youngest starting QB in the league. What did you expect? Greatness day 1? No one should have expected that. He wasn't dog s**t either, flashes were there…you've tried so hard to be right that you've labeled him a bust after 100 passing attempts which is arrogant as f**k.

I'm not gonna label him anything until he actually gets to play meaningful football. Seems pretty logical.

Never called him a bust. I just don't see that greatness potential. I see him as just a dude. He's not a dynamic runner and still needs to learn how to be a passer.

With Kyle and this roster he can be successful. I just think you guys are fooling yourselves if you think he comes anything close to his potential.

Hurts and Allen (and now Fields) were good runners while trying to learn how to pass. As of now I don't feel he even offers that.

Trey's impact on this team won't be much more than Jimmy's IMO