Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by krizay:
Never called him a bust. I just don't see that greatness potential. I see him as just a dude. He's not a dynamic runner and still needs to learn how to be a passer.

With Kyle and this roster he can be successful. I just think you guys are fooling yourselves if you think he comes anything close to his potential.

Hurts and Allen (and now Fields) were good runners while trying to learn how to pass. As of now I don't feel he even offers that.

Trey's impact on this team won't be much more than Jimmy's IMO

Making a statement like that off of 100 passing attempts and playing as a 19yr old freshman is pretty bold. I get it, you want to see it before anything. I just want to see actual football before saying things like "you're fooling yourselves if you think he comes anything close to his potential"

FWIW I wanted Fields…I just understood the pick and have no problem letting him develop or at the very least proving he can't play in the NFL.

I see flashes and I don't think he's some horrible runner. Such a limited sample size to claim anything either way

Originally posted by Furlow:
So the only way that a person can look back and wonder "what if" is if they ALSO had those same thoughts before the draft? You have to be kidding me with this nonsense. I was cheering when we took Lance, I like his skillset. I wasn't a fan of moving up though, because I feel value is very important in the draft. I'm sure I had zero posts about Parsons either. But you're GOD DAMN RIGHT I have thought about and wondered where we'd be if we had just stayed put and drafted Parsons. Bosa + Parsons would be absolutely lethal.

And now that we did trade up and did take Trey - his value is going to be measured against what we could have had, had we not moved up. That's what happens when teams trade picks or players to move up.

Your constant sanctimonious posts are old and stale, give it a rest.

We would have been held mercilessly and there'd be no calls thrown against KC as Oat Mahomes was allowed to wreak havoc on our OL

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Making a statement like that off of 100 passing attempts and playing as a 19yr old freshman is pretty bold.

FWIW I wanted Fields…I just understood the pick and have no problem letting him develop or at the very least proving he can't play in the NFL.

We all make bold statements. Just like your MVP prediction in year 2 off of 0 passing attempts.

The pick never made sense. Taking Fields is a pick I could have understood. Taking Trey never ever made sense.

Here we are year 3 with even more questions about Trey then we had year 1.

Originally posted by Furlow:
90% of your posts are "pointless points" yet here you are every day doing it all over again. 49ersfaithful wasn't saying "I told you so." That is the only "threshold" that one would have to "defend" as you are insinuating. This is a message board, and we are all free to make any point that we like. In this case, 49ersfaithful is saying he didn't want to move up. Neither did I. Hell even if someone DID want to move up, they sure as hell can now say "damn we messed that up, and imagine what we could have had." Nothing wrong with that.

We're not "other teams." We're not making money doing this. No one is going to get fired for having the wrong opinion. So take a chill pill and relax.

To an extent, I agree. But I would be willing to bet a lot of money that Parsons wasnt even a consideration with our pick. Parsons wasnt thought to be an edge rusher in the draft. Hell, it wasnt until Demarcus Lawrence went down in the first game that Parson started lining up exclusively at edge. The first game of the season Parsons played a more true linebacker who wasnt rushing, and people were commenting "has Parsons ever played football before?" He was totally lost.

Now, I know its not fair to judge a player on his first game his rookie year. But the point is, the Parsons he became was not who he was thought of during the draft. Linebacker was not a position of need in the 2021 draft, so I dont understand why Parsons is repeatedly brought up. Just because he was drafted around the time that we would have had our original pick doesnt mean he would have been considered.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
To an extent, I agree. But I would be willing to bet a lot of money that Parsons wasnt even a consideration with our pick. Parsons wasnt thought to be an edge rusher in the draft. Hell, it wasnt until Demarcus Lawrence went down in the first game that Parson started lining up exclusively at edge. The first game of the season Parsons played a more true linebacker who wasnt rushing, and people were commenting "has Parsons ever played football before?" He was totally lost.

Now, I know its not fair to judge a player on his first game his rookie year. But the point is, the Parsons he became was not who he was thought of during the draft. Linebacker was not a position of need in the 2021 draft, so I dont understand why Parsons is repeatedly brought up. Just because he was drafted around the time that we would have had our original pick doesnt mean he would have been considered.

Vera-Tucker would have been my choice if we didn't go QB

Originally posted by krizay:
We all make bold statements. Just like your MVP prediction in year 2 off of 0 passing attempts.

The pick never made sense. Taking Fields is a pick I could have understood. Taking Trey never ever made sense.

Here we are year 3 with even more questions about Trey then we had year 1.

I never said he was gonna be MVP. Stop that. I understood the pick based on the intangibles and whether you like it or not there is a high level skill set there. I said I wouldn't be shocked if Jones played better than any QB right off the bat, BUT in the long term he would never amount to anything special in the league. I still believe that.

What I did say is I expected ups and downs early in Trey's career, we could still win games regardless because the team around him was good. I wasn't running around this thread saying he was gonna toss 40TDs and 5,000 yards this yr. Also you act as if there was absolutely zero flashes in his small sample size, which his simply not true.

the only reason we have more questions is because he got hurt after 4QRs of football, not because we have a years worth of bad football to discuss…let's at least talk about the truth of the matter.

Trey_SOM HILL Lance will be his role for now. Brock Purdy is the starter. He can learn with a package and try to get better.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We gave up the 29th overall pick last year and the 29th overall pick this year for Trey Lance.

But it feels like we gave up two #1 overall picks when we talk about the trade. Normally if a person looked at the results and draft picks given up we would look like the winners in that trade taking us from #12 overall all the way back to #29 in back to back years. Problem here is that he wasn't on the field for it.

I hate that trade and this is not an anti TL convo.. not even talking TL.. but the idea of going back 9 picks and giving up the next two years worth of firsts is just dumb.

Pick 12 had some real players there and we could have kept all the ones.

Those picks are around 16 million a year on the cap (12, 29 and 29)

I get the idea of the draft pick being a loss. You simply don't drop that much draft capital into a project under any circumstance......but I do like the trade.

On a team that that has great players you have to make the cap work for the team.

The Trey trade, and the CMC trade (the picks and the players you no longer need because of Trey and CMC) just about pay for CMC.

To me that is win, on a team as talented as the 49ers....I love the idea of trading away 3+ million dollar gambles if you can get great NFL talent that is cost controlled.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Trey_SOM HILL Lance will be his role for now. Brock Purdy is the starter. He can learn with a package and try to get better.

Do you eat mayo with a spoon at sporting events?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
We all make bold statements. Just like your MVP prediction in year 2 off of 0 passing attempts.

The pick never made sense. Taking Fields is a pick I could have understood. Taking Trey never ever made sense.

Here we are year 3 with even more questions about Trey then we had year 1.

I never said he was gonna be MVP. Stop that. I understood the pick based on the intangibles and whether you like it or not there is a high level skill set there. I said I wouldn't be shocked if Jones played better than any QB right off the bat, BUT in the long term he would never amount to anything special in the league. I still believe that.

I would have been more impressed if you had said Jones would have been a Cancer.....

oh....

wait

never mind.... you did.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Trey_SOM HILL Lance will be his role for now. Brock Purdy is the starter. He can learn with a package and try to get better.

Do you eat mayo with a spoon at sporting events?

Nope I don't eat much mayo at all. Certainly not with a spoon. Maybe sometimes on a sandwich. But mostly not even there either. How about you?

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
after the 1st preseason game when Purdy was shredding I knew he was better than Trey-ning wheels and posted Purdy >>>> Lance

We'll see how Purdy's arm heals. I hope it heals 200% - in other words, he comes out of the operation with an arm 200% stronger than the original!

Personally, I think Trey will pick things up quick once he gets more in game reps and more practice with the number 1 defense in the NFL. In the 2021 season, i thought he did a credible job going, I think, .500 even if he does take longer to develop than Purdy, if he *does* develop, he'll be superior to Purdy (if Purdy and Trey have equal intangibles) Big If there, though.

Originally posted by krizay:
Never called him a bust. I just don't see that greatness potential. I see him as just a dude. He's not a dynamic runner and still needs to learn how to be a passer.

With Kyle and this roster he can be successful. I just think you guys are fooling yourselves if you think he comes anything close to his potential.

Hurts and Allen (and now Fields) were good runners while trying to learn how to pass. As of now I don't feel he even offers that.

Trey's impact on this team won't be much more than Jimmy's IMO

Its hard to disagree here. What has trey shown so far? Really nothing overly impressive. Certainly nothing that would be worth 3 firsts.

I agree you don't give up on him yet but it hasn't been promising (little as his playing time has been). Brock purdys game against the dolphins was more impressive than anything I've seen from trey, to speak nothing of his incredible run the rest of the year.

I'm a niners fan only. I don't get invested in players over the team so whoever gives us the best chance to win I'm behind but based on what I've seen from purdy and lance it surely isn't lance so far.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by krizay:
Never called him a bust. I just don't see that greatness potential. I see him as just a dude. He's not a dynamic runner and still needs to learn how to be a passer.

With Kyle and this roster he can be successful. I just think you guys are fooling yourselves if you think he comes anything close to his potential.

Hurts and Allen (and now Fields) were good runners while trying to learn how to pass. As of now I don't feel he even offers that.

Trey's impact on this team won't be much more than Jimmy's IMO

Its hard to disagree here. What has trey shown so far? Really nothing overly impressive. Certainly nothing that would be worth 3 firsts.

I agree you don't give up on him yet but it hasn't been promising (little as his playing time has been). Brock purdys game against the dolphins was more impressive than anything I've seen from trey, to speak nothing of his incredible run the rest of the year.

I'm a niners fan only. I don't get invested in players over the team so whoever gives us the best chance to win I'm behind but based on what I've seen from purdy and lance it surely isn't lance so far.

The two flashes I have seen are a couple nice spiral touch deep passes down the sideline and he had a play in the preseason where he ducked forward in the pocket escaped and kept his head up and threw down field and completed the pass.

On the other side the guy looks like he has a hitch. A hitch in his motion and feet, a hitch when he takes off to run which kills his quickness, and just does not look comfortable moving around. To me he does not look like a pure physical freak talent athlete with pads on. His motion setup and release looks long to me. The whole thing from the arm to the setting the feet.

I've also noticed he tends to run up the middle way too often. At first it looked brilliant because we have no seen a lot of QBs prior actually decisively step up in the pocket but now it seems like a bad pattern.

To early to tell but he does not look like the type of athlete who could hurdle a guy and land on his feet and keep running. He seems a little stiff to me in everything he does.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
after the 1st preseason game when Purdy was shredding I knew he was better than Trey-ning wheels and posted Purdy >>>> Lance

We'll see how Purdy's arm heals. I hope it heals 200% - in other words, he comes out of the operation with an arm 200% stronger than the original!

Personally, I think Trey will pick things up quick once he gets more in game reps and more practice with the number 1 defense in the NFL. In the 2021 season, i thought he did a credible job going, I think, .500 even if he does take longer to develop than Purdy, if he *does* develop, he'll be superior to Purdy (if Purdy and Trey have equal intangibles) Big If there, though.

No chance at all. He can't even read the field. He can't throw an accurate ball. He has no mechanics. He runs about a 4.85 in game speed. He's not taking over for Purdy. He would be lucky to carry Purdy's jock strap out to the practice field.