Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by krizay:
Never called him a bust. I just don't see that greatness potential. I see him as just a dude. He's not a dynamic runner and still needs to learn how to be a passer.

With Kyle and this roster he can be successful. I just think you guys are fooling yourselves if you think he comes anything close to his potential.

Hurts and Allen (and now Fields) were good runners while trying to learn how to pass. As of now I don't feel he even offers that.

Trey's impact on this team won't be much more than Jimmy's IMO

Its hard to disagree here. What has trey shown so far? Really nothing overly impressive. Certainly nothing that would be worth 3 firsts.

I agree you don't give up on him yet but it hasn't been promising (little as his playing time has been). Brock purdys game against the dolphins was more impressive than anything I've seen from trey, to speak nothing of his incredible run the rest of the year.

I'm a niners fan only. I don't get invested in players over the team so whoever gives us the best chance to win I'm behind but based on what I've seen from purdy and lance it surely isn't lance so far.

Yeah that's right. You are correct.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
It's a big assumption to think we have two franchise QBs. The way Purdy was playing as a rookie it was looking that way....until the injury. Let's see how he comes back from injury before we assume he's a FQB.

Lance is hopes and prayers until he shows he's capable of being a FQB like Purdy before injury.

Yea, I have yet to see anyone outside of this board (or current/ex 9er) that think anything of Trey. Literally the only people that think Trey has it are the ones on here that keep telling us that.

I hear alot of positive things about Purdy. Everyone outside this forum was 50/50 on Jimmy.

Damn near NO ONE outside of our posters here really think Trey has it

Do you think the circumstances and results from their brief stints have something to do with it?

We know the plan Kyle had was to sit Trey last year and to start him this season.

We got injured finger Trey Lance starts last year - one vs a hot Arizona Cardinals team without Kittle, struggling Aiyuk and beat up Elijah Mitchell. One vs a less than stellar Houston Texans team but one that just beat a pretty good QB in Justin Herbert the week prior. It happened to be Trey's best game of his career so far and was the only start he had with George Kittle in the lineup.

This year we got the Chicago monsoon game. Arguably our worst OL play of the season until the Eagles game. Sloppy play across the board and penalties galore.

We're also getting a very different looking offense with Trey vs Jimmy and Brock. Obviously reactions will be less than ideal but that means little in the grand scheme of things.

We have seen what happens when talented, hard working players get time to develop and work on their skills. Chris Simms had Jalen Hurts as his 25th ranked QB on his top 40 QB list. He didn't even have him on his top 40 heading into the 2021 season. Look what Hurts was able to accomplish this season?

Now Chris Simms isn't Bill Walsh or a QB guru but he's a good example of where Hurts was thought of the last few years since coming into the league. I know Eagles fans weren't sold on him much like people here aren't sold on Trey. Yet you could see Hurts improve and I'd say the Eagles are in a great spot right now with him as their starter.

Many here will claim we are not in a position to develop a QB. Sure but that implies Lance is at a point where he's going out there and just losing games for the team left and right as he's learning. That's definitely NOT the case. He hasn't looked like a Zach Wilson. The offense may not look like a juggernaut with him but when you look at the circumstances there could be a reason for that and there haven't been instances where he made critical mistakes or turnovers due to being fooled by the defense. You can make the claim the pick he threw in Chicago was that but he saw the safety, just figured he looked him off enough to fit the ball in there. Jackson made a great play on the ball but we've seen winning QB Jimmy make interceptions WAY worse than that and yet the narrative is Jimmy wins, Trey isn't able to develop and win games with us.

So long ass post short - how people outside of the building think about Trey means little in the grand scheme of things.

I have hope for Trey. I think he improves those instincts in the pocket. I could already see progress in that department in the Chicago monsoon game and the short time he was on the field against Seattle round 1. I also think Trey with CMC could be special. A mobile QB with CMC and all the others can be lethal. As the poster above mentioned, so many QBs can level up over one offseason (ala Jalen Hurts). They can also regress. Don't give up on this kid

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We gave up the 29th overall pick last year and the 29th overall pick this year for Trey Lance.

But it feels like we gave up two #1 overall picks when we talk about the trade. Normally if a person looked at the results and draft picks given up we would look like the winners in that trade taking us from #12 overall all the way back to #29 in back to back years. Problem here is that he wasn't on the field for it.

I hate that trade and this is not an anti TL convo.. not even talking TL.. but the idea of going back 9 picks and giving up the next two years worth of firsts is just dumb.

Pick 12 had some real players there and we could have kept all the ones.

Micah Parsons paired with Bosa

Would break the NFL.. we may be at the parade right now

Wouldn't every team in the NFL like to re-do their draft picks, though?

I just don't understand the obsession with hindsight some have here.

It's only hindsight if you are just realizing it now.. if you realized it before the draft, that ain't hindsight.

Funny thing about hindsight...it doesn't change anything and when used early can make you look like a fool.

We were never going to take Parsons, not with his off the field stuff and Bosa already being there. Not to mention if anyone expected him to rush the passer as well as he has he'd have gone top 5.

And the thing with QBs unless you have a franchise QB you can trust, you invest in the position. Taking a swing at a potentially elite player is always worth it. You just hope that if you take the swing and miss it won't doom your team to suckage.

Clearly that hasn't been the case with the Trey move and book is far from closed on him.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
after the 1st preseason game when Purdy was shredding I knew he was better than Trey-ning wheels and posted Purdy >>>> Lance

Let me guess you think every 3rd/4th string player in preseason is automatically better than guys playing against better players?

Using preseason for evaluations is incredibly stupid. You MAY have been right in this scenario but overall using preseason to rank players is incredibly dumb.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by krizay:
Never called him a bust. I just don't see that greatness potential. I see him as just a dude. He's not a dynamic runner and still needs to learn how to be a passer.

With Kyle and this roster he can be successful. I just think you guys are fooling yourselves if you think he comes anything close to his potential.

Hurts and Allen (and now Fields) were good runners while trying to learn how to pass. As of now I don't feel he even offers that.

Trey's impact on this team won't be much more than Jimmy's IMO

Its hard to disagree here. What has trey shown so far? Really nothing overly impressive. Certainly nothing that would be worth 3 firsts.

I agree you don't give up on him yet but it hasn't been promising (little as his playing time has been). Brock purdys game against the dolphins was more impressive than anything I've seen from trey, to speak nothing of his incredible run the rest of the year.

I'm a niners fan only. I don't get invested in players over the team so whoever gives us the best chance to win I'm behind but based on what I've seen from purdy and lance it surely isn't lance so far.

The two flashes I have seen are a couple nice spiral touch deep passes down the sideline and he had a play in the preseason where he ducked forward in the pocket escaped and kept his head up and threw down field and completed the pass.

On the other side the guy looks like he has a hitch. A hitch in his motion and feet, a hitch when he takes off to run which kills his quickness, and just does not look comfortable moving around. To me he does not look like a pure physical freak talent athlete with pads on. His motion setup and release looks long to me. The whole thing from the arm to the setting the feet.

I've also noticed he tends to run up the middle way too often. At first it looked brilliant because we have no seen a lot of QBs prior actually decisively step up in the pocket but now it seems like a bad pattern.

To early to tell but he does not look like the type of athlete who could hurdle a guy and land on his feet and keep running. He seems a little stiff to me in everything he does.

I know that's exactly what I want to see out of my QB

Purdy had like 1400 pass attempts in college and numerous starts. There are things he's experienced in games even at the college level that help him make decisions faster in the NFL.

Trey made the jump from FCS and has super limited experience. The things he's going to do will be slower early on. I said this before, go back and watch his runs in the Seattle game as a rookie when he came in. He is MUCH more fluid, decisive and explosive as a runner in those scrambles than he was in games where Kyle is calling designed runs for him. It's almost like he's trying so hard to run Kyle's playcall as designed he's holding himself back. That tells me once he's more comfortable the athleticism will kick into where it should.

As far as Brock looking impressive - absolutely, kid looked great. But look at the impact McCaffrey had on the whole offense? Jimmy G looked his best since 2017 with CMC in there. Even skittish Jimmy went away once he understood CMC was out there. Kyle's playcalling improved. The whole offense looked better. So Brock coming in having that at his disposal certainly helps him look better. But do we recall how some reacted to his rough start vs Seattle in the playoff game with rain conditions that were nothing compared to what Trey had to play with week 1?

We haven't seen Trey playing in a normal weather game with CMC and Kittle - two guys who were absolutely dominating with Brock out there. You can certainly make the claim they were playing so good because of Brock but point is we have no idea what Trey would look like with those guys.

So all this talk about Trey not looking like he should, pump the breaks and give him a chance.

Originally posted by genus49:
I know that's exactly what I want to see out of my QB

Purdy had like 1400 pass attempts in college and numerous starts. There are things he's experienced in games even at the college level that help him make decisions faster in the NFL.

Trey made the jump from FCS and has super limited experience. The things he's going to do will be slower early on. I said this before, go back and watch his runs in the Seattle game as a rookie when he came in. He is MUCH more fluid, decisive and explosive as a runner in those scrambles than he was in games where Kyle is calling designed runs for him. It's almost like he's trying so hard to run Kyle's playcall as designed he's holding himself back. That tells me once he's more comfortable the athleticism will kick into where it should.

As far as Brock looking impressive - absolutely, kid looked great. But look at the impact McCaffrey had on the whole offense? Jimmy G looked his best since 2017 with CMC in there. Even skittish Jimmy went away once he understood CMC was out there. Kyle's playcalling improved. The whole offense looked better. So Brock coming in having that at his disposal certainly helps him look better. But do we recall how some reacted to his rough start vs Seattle in the playoff game with rain conditions that were nothing compared to what Trey had to play with week 1?

We haven't seen Trey playing in a normal weather game with CMC and Kittle - two guys who were absolutely dominating with Brock out there. You can certainly make the claim they were playing so good because of Brock but point is we have no idea what Trey would look like with those guys.

So all this talk about Trey not looking like he should, pump the breaks and give him a chance.

He definitely looked better in that SEA game than any other as far as scrambling goes but...

Like everyone else, I'm hopeful for Trey but have no idea if he will become a great QB. One thing I know is the value of having a QB that can keep a play alive and hit a receiver downfield while on the move. A QB that can see an opening and run for a critical 1st down. We saw it n the SB. We see it every week. It's something the Niners as a ream haven't had since Kap.

I know there are many things that go into making a successful QB Running isn't even the biggest part. Reading defenses and processing quickly along with a decent arm are more important but having the mobility as well makes the QB much more dangerous. It's what Kyle saw when he moved up and drafted Trey. He knew there were things that Trey would need to learn but he felt he could teach them. You can't teach arm strength and mobility.

Justin fields first start was just spectacular. Man they should have cut him after that. No reason to let him develop. Fan saw enough



the generational Lawrence's first start. Running damn near the same offense he did in college with tons of easy bubble screens and RPO one read passes. Not a chance he could have improved from that game.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Like everyone else, I'm hopeful for Trey but have no idea if he will become a great QB. One thing I know is the value of having a QB that can keep a play alive and hit a receiver downfield while on the move. A QB that can see an opening and run for a critical 1st down. We saw it n the SB. We see it every week. It's something the Niners as a ream haven't had since Kap.

I know there are many things that go into making a successful QB Running isn't even the biggest part. Reading defenses and processing quickly along with a decent arm are more important but having the mobility as well makes the QB much more dangerous. It's what Kyle saw when he moved up and drafted Trey. He knew there were things that Trey would need to learn but he felt he could teach them. You can't teach arm strength and mobility.

Right

Since the consensus is NO ONE here knows if he will be a good-to-great QB or not -- particularly because we don't have much to go off of due to a lack of reps and development -- can we please dedicated our paragraphs to another topic??

We don't really need a FQB, cuz KS is so good and the O is loaded. Agree or disagree?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We don't really need a FQB, cuz KS is so good and the O is loaded. Agree or disagree?

The 53-man roster isint complete yet. All we know is Mac Jones and Jimmy won't be on it.

Beyond that,....how bout we wait 6 months or so?

So where exactly are we at with Trey? Meaning, "we all knew it would take Trey a couple years" so is, his third year, the year we expect to see something or because "he doesn't have the reps" are we still a couple years away?

Would be pretty sweet to wait til his 5th year option to get production from him. Nothing like negating the entirety of his rookie deal.

Originally posted by krizay:
So where exactly are we at with Trey? Meaning, "we all knew it would take Trey a couple years" so is, his third year, the year we expect to see something or because "he doesn't have the reps" are we still a couple years away?

Would be pretty sweet to wait til his 5th year option to get production from him. Nothing like negating the entirety of his rookie deal.

I just hope he gives us more than 2 games