Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
That's a terrible post / mentality imo. It basically reads like we should give up our first round picks voluntarily as there is a cap charge associated with each pick.

Sure there is a cap charge, but your math is all wrong. Cap hit for a 29th overall player in round one is no where near 16 mil a year what are you talking about? Cole Strange had a cap hit of $2.2 mil last year which is a complete bargain.

Your whole idea is just flat false.

Know what wasn't a bargain? 137 mil for slightly above average play. Instead of being so focused on what those draft picks could've been how about imagine what the team could've gotten for that money over the years.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
That's a terrible post / mentality imo. It basically reads like we should give up our first round picks voluntarily as there is a cap charge associated with each pick.

Sure there is a cap charge, but your math is all wrong. Cap hit for a 29th overall player in round one is no where near 16 mil a year what are you talking about? Cole Strange had a cap hit of $2.2 mil last year which is a complete bargain.

Your whole idea is just flat false.

Know what wasn't a bargain? 137 mil for slightly above average play. Instead of being so focused on what does draft picks could've been how about imagine what the team could've gotten for that money over the years.

Nice redirect.. let's keep it on topic and I would love to hear how Cole Strange costs 16 mil per year which was what someone posted on the prior page in a thank God we don't have first round picks style post..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Nice redirect.. let's keep it on topic and I would love to hear how Cole Strange costs 16 mil per year which was what someone posted on the prior page in a thank God we don't have first round picks style post..

Well you wanna stay focused on this narrative that if we just kept building the roster around Jimmy we'd win a ring. That's all this really is.

Very clear they were talking about cumulative cost not just one guy.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Like everyone else, I'm hopeful for Trey but have no idea if he will become a great QB. One thing I know is the value of having a QB that can keep a play alive and hit a receiver downfield while on the move. A QB that can see an opening and run for a critical 1st down. We saw it n the SB. We see it every week. It's something the Niners as a ream haven't had since Kap.

I know there are many things that go into making a successful QB Running isn't even the biggest part. Reading defenses and processing quickly along with a decent arm are more important but having the mobility as well makes the QB much more dangerous. It's what Kyle saw when he moved up and drafted Trey. He knew there were things that Trey would need to learn but he felt he could teach them. You can't teach arm strength and mobility.

Let me introduce you to Brock Purdy

Originally posted by krizay:
So where exactly are we at with Trey? Meaning, "we all knew it would take Trey a couple years" so is, his third year, the year we expect to see something or because "he doesn't have the reps" are we still a couple years away?

Would be pretty sweet to wait til his 5th year option to get production from him. Nothing like negating the entirety of his rookie deal.

Not sure if serious, but in all honest- he should be good this year. I expected by the end of the season last year if he had played the whole year, to be at worst- middle of the pack. He had weapons all around, and this was before CMC was added, and a top 5 playcaller. This coming year, expectations are a big higher due to Purdy's emergence, and although he hasn't played, his been around the team long enough to know the offense, he has seen the play of Jimmy and Brock first hand, and should be well aware of what he has to work on. Trust his eyes is gonna be the key and footwork, moving around the pocket, as well as protecting himself for 2023 and going forward.

As long as he can be around middle of the pack at worst, show some of who he was a NDSU- being a guy who took GREAT care of the football, and give us the big plays with his legs and with his feet when things open up, he should be fine.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We gave up the 29th overall pick last year and the 29th overall pick this year for Trey Lance.

But it feels like we gave up two #1 overall picks when we talk about the trade. Normally if a person looked at the results and draft picks given up we would look like the winners in that trade taking us from #12 overall all the way back to #29 in back to back years. Problem here is that he wasn't on the field for it.

I hate that trade and this is not an anti TL convo.. not even talking TL.. but the idea of going back 9 picks and giving up the next two years worth of firsts is just dumb.

Pick 12 had some real players there and we could have kept all the ones.

Those picks are around 16 million a year on the cap (12, 29 and 29)

I get the idea of the draft pick being a loss. You simply don't drop that much draft capital into a project under any circumstance......but I do like the trade.

On a team that that has great players you have to make the cap work for the team.

The Trey trade, and the CMC trade (the picks and the players you no longer need because of Trey and CMC) just about pay for CMC.

To me that is win, on a team as talented as the 49ers....I love the idea of trading away 3+ million dollar gambles if you can get great NFL talent that is cost controlled.

That is very well said, this was my train of thought as well.

Agreed. The trade was a cap move as much as it was a need to upgrade the QB position. The fans who say they hate the trade never see the cap savings side of it. It would be completely different if this roster wasn't so stacked.

That's a terrible post / mentality imo. It basically reads like we should give up our first round picks voluntarily as there is a cap charge associated with each pick.

Sure there is a cap charge, but your math is all wrong. Cap hit for a 29th overall player in round one is no where near 16 mil a year what are you talking about? Cole Strange had a cap hit of $2.2 mil last year which is a complete bargain.

Your whole idea is just flat false.

I thought he was adding up the price of all three picks we used to trade for Lance picks 12, 29, and 29. I don't even think he included the 3rd rounder and I believe he was saying if you add up the salaries from all three picks it would be $16 million a year in regards to the cap hit. Are you saying his math was wrong?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Nice redirect.. let's keep it on topic and I would love to hear how Cole Strange costs 16 mil per year which was what someone posted on the prior page in a thank God we don't have first round picks style post..

Well you wanna stay focused on this narrative that if we just kept building the roster around Jimmy we'd win a ring. That's all this really is.

Very clear they were talking about cumulative cost not just one guy.

I'm not in here mentioning that guy.. I'm talking about TL and someone prior page said it was a great trade cuz now we don't have ones, and ones cost 16 mil per year in cap.. it was just false..

this is the quote that was false: Those picks are around 16 million a year on the cap (12, 29 and 29)

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
It was entirely constricted in the Houston game, and I don't think Trey played well in that game even though he certainly played better late in the game. We can debate the specifics of his play, but we were losing at halftime and in a close game into the 4th quarter before Trey hit that tailor made bomb to Deebo. He gets credit for that play, but it was not a difficult completion save for needing the arm strength to make the throw. Beyond that the offense was a disjointed mess for 3 quarters against one of the worst teams in the league in a have-to-have-it game. At least they did end up getting win, which is the most important thing.

The stat lines were respectable for a guy that hadn't played in a couple seasons and:

DID YOU SEE THAT WE RUSHED FOR 175 YARDS?

When you have to play 11 on 11 the rushing yards come easier for your backs and the YPA grow as well. We were at 11 yards per pass attempt?

Thats for a rookie that hadn't played in a couple years! Trey has a LOT of room to grow as well as Brock

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I'm not in here mentioning that guy.. I'm talking about TL and someone prior page said it was a great trade cuz now we don't have ones, and ones cost 16 mil per year in cap.. it was just false..

this is the quote that was false: Those picks are around 16 million a year on the cap (12, 29 and 29)

Cumulatively. Not individually.

It's your entire reason to focus on the picks. It's transparent.

Hell the other thread there was a criticism about not getting Hassan Reddick. Why didn't the 9ers sign him? The money was tied up in a certain other player they wanted to trade.

Where you tie your cap up is more important than having unproven lottery picks.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I thought he was adding up the price of all three picks we used to trade for Lance picks 12, 29, and 29. I don't even think he included the 3rd rounder and I believe he was saying if you add up the salaries from all three picks it would be $16 million a year in regards to the cap hit. Are you saying his math was wrong?

Thank you for clarifying.. TL is about $8.5 mil per year

Parsons is $4.2 m average
Strange is $3 m average
I'm guessing another $3m for player yet to be drafted, spot is around same as Strange so I am using his value, so total isn't $16m it's maybe $10.2m

so it's 3 players out of 53, at $10.2m, which is about $3.4m per.. or one guy out of 53 for $8.5m, $8.5m per

not seeing any cap savings here myself.. where did the $16m come from, that number I believe is false

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Know what wasn't a bargain? 137 mil for slightly above average play. Instead of being so focused on what those draft picks could've been how about imagine what the team could've gotten for that money over the years.

We went to three NFCCG and a Super Bowl so I ain't tripping. Those were generally good years

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
We went to three NFCCG and a Super Bowl so I ain't tripping. Those were generally good years

He wants to play the what if game with draft picks though. So let's play with money instead, which is what really matters.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Let me introduce you to Brock Purdy

We have to beat Jalen Hurts and Pat Mahomes because I just saw the Super Bowl. I wanted Brock to do it this year. He didn't due to injury but those guys are now the standard so I have no problem rolling Trey out there next season as Brock is injured currently

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
We went to three NFCCG and a Super Bowl so I ain't tripping. Those were generally good years

He wants to play the what if game with draft picks though. So let's play with money instead, which is what really matters.

Someone posted giving up firsts in 2022 and 2023 was a cap saving move.. I don't see it and I posted the math post #56200.. silly to give up ones to save money and that's not even what happened we didn't save any money from what I can tell

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We gave up the 29th overall pick last year and the 29th overall pick this year for Trey Lance.

But it feels like we gave up two #1 overall picks when we talk about the trade. Normally if a person looked at the results and draft picks given up we would look like the winners in that trade taking us from #12 overall all the way back to #29 in back to back years. Problem here is that he wasn't on the field for it.

I hate that trade and this is not an anti TL convo.. not even talking TL.. but the idea of going back 9 picks and giving up the next two years worth of firsts is just dumb.

Pick 12 had some real players there and we could have kept all the ones.

Those picks are around 16 million a year on the cap (12, 29 and 29)

I get the idea of the draft pick being a loss. You simply don't drop that much draft capital into a project under any circumstance......but I do like the trade.

On a team that that has great players you have to make the cap work for the team.

The Trey trade, and the CMC trade (the picks and the players you no longer need because of Trey and CMC) just about pay for CMC.

To me that is win, on a team as talented as the 49ers....I love the idea of trading away 3+ million dollar gambles if you can get great NFL talent that is cost controlled.

That is very well said, this was my train of thought as well.

Agreed. The trade was a cap move as much as it was a need to upgrade the QB position. The fans who say they hate the trade never see the cap savings side of it. It would be completely different if this roster wasn't so stacked.

That's a terrible post / mentality imo. It basically reads like we should give up our first round picks voluntarily as there is a cap charge associated with each pick.

Sure there is a cap charge, but your math is all wrong. Cap hit for a 29th overall player in round one is no where near 16 mil a year what are you talking about? Cole Strange had a cap hit of $2.2 mil last year which is a complete bargain.

Your whole idea is just flat false.

I thought he was adding up the price of all three picks we used to trade for Lance picks 12, 29, and 29. I don't even think he included the 3rd rounder and I believe he was saying if you add up the salaries from all three picks it would be $16 million a year in regards to the cap hit. Are you saying his math was wrong?

I thought it was about not having to pay someone 27 million per year on average for middle of the pack QB play.