Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Justin fields first start was just spectacular. Man they should have cut him after that. No reason to let him develop. Fan saw enough



the generational Lawrence's first start. Running damn near the same offense he did in college with tons of easy bubble screens and RPO one read passes. Not a chance he could have improved from that game.

Bump. Crazy they weren't amazing their first game. You want to watch some dog s**t QB play go watch Josh Allen's first couple games. I'm not saying Lance will ever get there, but people writing him off are being very short sighted

Originally posted by YACBros85:

I had this interview saved and then realized you have to download some podcast app. Talking with Avery…Hurts QB coach in the off season

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I have not been a big fan of Jimmy but he was having the best season of his career. Saying there was no improvement in quality of play at the position between those two is just straight up wrong.

So Kyle and John get s**t on for trading up to draft Trey but absolutely zero credit for drafting and developing Brock Purdy? 😂

I have honestly no idea how this is your takeaway from my post.

At no point did I say or even remotely imply that Kyle and John do not get credit for drafting and developing Brock. I described his emergence as significant in a positive way. What I did say is that his selection and development is independent of the decision to draft Trey Lance and the impact that decision has had on our team both in terms of quality of play and cost to this point. You can argue that Jimmy played better than he ever has last season and it's completely beside the point. Jimmy is also no longer an option going forward unless you decide to pay him whatever his market value is going to be in free agency, and he wants to return.

So where do we stand? We'll be paying less at the position while not knowing we have a quality option and also not having the expensive security blanket we had the last two seasons (obviously less expensive last year than 21).

If Trey progresses and plays well we're in a good spot. If he doesn't and Brock isn't healthy or his play regresses we're in a bad spot. If he doesn't and Brock is healthy and he picks up where he left off we have an extremely overpriced backup that isn't a reliable winning option. The only thing that's assured is we'll be paying less at the position.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We gave up the 29th overall pick last year and the 29th overall pick this year for Trey Lance.

But it feels like we gave up two #1 overall picks when we talk about the trade. Normally if a person looked at the results and draft picks given up we would look like the winners in that trade taking us from #12 overall all the way back to #29 in back to back years. Problem here is that he wasn't on the field for it.

I hate that trade and this is not an anti TL convo.. not even talking TL.. but the idea of going back 9 picks and giving up the next two years worth of firsts is just dumb.

Pick 12 had some real players there and we could have kept all the ones.

Those picks are around 16 million a year on the cap (12, 29 and 29)

I get the idea of the draft pick being a loss. You simply don't drop that much draft capital into a project under any circumstance......but I do like the trade.

On a team that that has great players you have to make the cap work for the team.

The Trey trade, and the CMC trade (the picks and the players you no longer need because of Trey and CMC) just about pay for CMC.

To me that is win, on a team as talented as the 49ers....I love the idea of trading away 3+ million dollar gambles if you can get great NFL talent that is cost controlled.

That is very well said, this was my train of thought as well.

Agreed. The trade was a cap move as much as it was a need to upgrade the QB position. The fans who say they hate the trade never see the cap savings side of it. It would be completely different if this roster wasn't so stacked.

That's a terrible post / mentality imo. It basically reads like we should give up our first round picks voluntarily as there is a cap charge associated with each pick.

Sure there is a cap charge, but your math is all wrong. Cap hit for a 29th overall player in round one is no where near 16 mil a year what are you talking about? Cole Strange had a cap hit of $2.2 mil last year which is a complete bargain.

Your whole idea is just flat false.

I was thinking total cap impact of all t three picks

Pick 12 Micah Parsons 5.4m (final year)
Pick 29 Cole Strange 3.9m (final year)
Pick 29 Estimated 4.0m (final year)

3rd Rounder estimated 1.6m (final year)

Raw money is 13.9m

I was unsure of the bonus stuff, so I hedged saying AROUND 16m I could be off on that, It probably would have been more accurate to say around 15m with a give and take of 1m.

Still the point stands. I would rather have CMC.

I would 100% rather package top high salary picks and trade them for proven great NFL talent when possible. I would much rather the Panthers EAT the vast majority of CMCs contract and the 49ers pay a fraction of the cost in exchange for draft picks that are 100% a gamble.

Yeah man, I am totally in on trading picks for proven talent that is heavily cost controlled with the original team eating the signing bonus given the current 49ers team.

TLs final year is $10.8 mil.. so we are talking do you want multiple guys at $13.9 (your math) or one guy at $10.8.. I think it's silly to call this some kind of genius cap saving move.. that's not what moving up to get TL was, it was all about landing a FQB or hoping to get one.

Where are the savings, you are talking about a difference of what $3m? And you have to fill out the roster spots, even league minimum type guys are near or at $1m? The financials here are a wash.

Like I said in my post earlier

When you consider the players that are not here because of Trey and CMC, then add in what the players would have cost for the picks....it just about pays for CMC.

They added one of the biggest and most expensive impact RBs in the entire league and stayed just about cap neutral for a handful of gambles.

To me that is a win

Trey is not ideal at 10m....no doubt about it, but no one knew Purdy was going to show up....so yeah they swung for a Franchise QB.

All I am saying Is I like the idea of not paying millions on a gamble....so if an opportunity arises to trade away expensive gambles, and the team is already stacked like the 49ers are....do it....trade the high picks every single time.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Like I said in my post earlier

When you consider the players that are not here because of Trey and CMC, then add in what the players would have cost for the picks....it just about pays for CMC.

They added one of the biggest and most expensive impact RBs in the entire league and stayed just about cap neutral for a handful of gambles.

To me that is a win

Trey is not ideal at 10m....no doubt about it, but no one knew Purdy was going to show up....so yeah they swung for a Franchise QB.

All I am saying Is I like the idea of not paying millions on a gamble....so if an opportunity arises to trade away expensive gambles, and the team is already stacked like the 49ers are....do it....trade the high picks every single time.

You're going thru logic pretzels here.. TL is not cheaper than picks 12,29,29.. he just isn't, not on a per player basis, whatsoever. 3 for $13.9m is a better deal than 1 for $10.8m. It was a fun idea, and I had some interest in exploring it, so I will thank you for that.

To me 10.8 is very cheap for a QB in the NFL. Good ones run you up to 30m per year, great ones $50m. 10m is backup money and he may very well be our starter. I am convinced that rook contracts are cheap and a sweet deal for NFL teams, you don't really save money by trading out your picks, as you have to fill those roster spots somehow, and FAs who are beyond scrub level are not cheap.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bump. Crazy they weren't amazing their first game. You want to watch some dog s**t QB play go watch Josh Allen's first couple games. I'm not saying Lance will ever get there, but people writing him off are being very short sighted

You say this one post after writing a lot of development needed.

So we are supposed to wait 4 years for this guy to get it? Your whole shtick in 21 was rookie contract, rookie contract rookie contract. Now we're supposed to wait til his 5th year option to realize his potential. Which negates the very thing you FIRST clamored for.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

I had this interview saved and then realized you have to download some podcast app. Talking with Avery…Hurts QB coach in the off season

Trey says he was throwing 3 times a week for like 20 months straight with maybe a week or two off in that time frame.

vernon knows what's up

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

I had this interview saved and then realized you have to download some podcast app. Talking with Avery…Hurts QB coach in the off season

Trey says he was throwing 3 times a week for like 20 months straight with maybe a week or two off in that time frame.

He needs to throw more than 3 times a week. I'll throw more than 50 times just messing around with my kids when we play outside.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bump. Crazy they weren't amazing their first game. You want to watch some dog s**t QB play go watch Josh Allen's first couple games. I'm not saying Lance will ever get there, but people writing him off are being very short sighted

You say this one post after writing a lot of development needed.

So we are supposed to wait 4 years for this guy to get it? Your whole shtick in 21 was rookie contract, rookie contract rookie contract. Now we're supposed to wait til his 5th year option to realize his potential. Which negates the very thing you FIRST clamored for.

Not his fault he got bench duty year one. I still say a dumb ass mistake while another year by with James who should have been gone by then. Yes, he got injured year two when it was to be his time and that sucks. We can play it anyway we want with rookie year contracts. He's injured blah blah blah. The fact is technically last year was year one. It was a loss with injury. Just like all the other greats coming up they all needed two years. So yeah, if it takes two more years it takes two more years. Hell, look how fast time goes. What is this the 7th year with Kyle and team Jimmy?

If he turns out to be what many hope including me yes, take the two years. If I have a stud for next 15. We will never get over this hump ever until the QB carousel is put to rest. Glad Brock is here and he was great but that does not mean he will ultimately be better than Trey. It just sucks we get rid of one never ending QB issue and now it seems we have a whole new one. I guess it's not a bad spot to have two potentials but eventually, some day, the gauntlet needs to be laid and these words come from Kyles mouth "Trey or Brock is the FRANCHISE QB" no more this year, this moment, this game. It needs to end.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
TLs final year is $10.8 mil.. so we are talking do you want multiple guys at $13.9 (your math) or one guy at $10.8.. I think it's silly to call this some kind of genius cap saving move.. that's not what moving up to get TL was, it was all about landing a FQB or hoping to get one.

Where are the savings, you are talking about a difference of what $3m? And you have to fill out the roster spots, even league minimum type guys are near or at $1m? The financials here are a wash.

Ahhh yeah if Lance did turn into a quality starter then yes it's a good move. Daniel Jones is about to be paid north of $35M per. It's a position that is vastly overpaid based on the position…regardless of talent.

Those other 1st rd picks could have been Kinlaw 2.0 all the same.

I'm still stunned that Daniel Jones is going to get that kind of money. If the Giants just flat out said, 2 years/45 million, is there really going to be a market for Daniel Jones?

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I'm still stunned that Daniel Jones is going to get that kind of money. If the Giants just flat out said, 2 years/45 million, is there really going to be a market for Daniel Jones?

And this is exactly what teams need to do. Calling starting QBs and paying starting QBs top QB money simply because they're te best you currently have is stupid.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
TLs final year is $10.8 mil.. so we are talking do you want multiple guys at $13.9 (your math) or one guy at $10.8.. I think it's silly to call this some kind of genius cap saving move.. that's not what moving up to get TL was, it was all about landing a FQB or hoping to get one.

Where are the savings, you are talking about a difference of what $3m? And you have to fill out the roster spots, even league minimum type guys are near or at $1m? The financials here are a wash.

Ahhh yeah if Lance did turn into a quality starter then yes it's a good move. Daniel Jones is about to be paid north of $35M per. It's a position that is vastly overpaid based on the position…regardless of talent.

Those other 1st rd picks could have been Kinlaw 2.0 all the same.

I'm still stunned that Daniel Jones is going to get that kind of money. If the Giants just flat out said, 2 years/45 million, is there really going to be a market for Daniel Jones?

Rook contracts are really cheap.. the 2nd contract is what gets you. Look at JG as an example of a rook deal vs his 2nd contract.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
vernon knows what's up

He just wants to see Purdy fail. Does he even come around the facility? Has he been around the team? Has he attended practice? Has he ever even spoken to Purdy?

Am I doing this right?

Vernon has a lot of football knowledge, so I respect his opinion.

Let's see how Lance does with his second opportunity, while Purdy rehabs his arm.