Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Ohhh I'm sure there would be guys poking holes in his game. We know who they'd be lol.

Personally I think Lance has a much higher upside, will it ever get there? Who knows. A lot of development needed. I think at the very worst we got a Kirk cousins level QB in Brock (Kirky has a stronger arm/purdy more athletic). Where is his ceiling though? Is it enough to contend with the top dogs in the playoffs? Who knows. Like what I saw for the most part.

If Brock is Drew Brees, I'll be happy.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Not his fault he got bench duty year one. I still say a dumb ass mistake while another year by with James who should have been gone by then. Yes, he got injured year two when it was to be his time and that sucks. We can play it anyway we want with rookie year contracts. He's injured blah blah blah. The fact is technically last year was year one. It was a loss with injury. Just like all the other greats coming up they all needed two years. So yeah, if it takes two more years it takes two more years. Hell, look how fast time goes. What is this the 7th year with Kyle and team Jimmy?

If he turns out to be what many hope including me yes, take the two years. If I have a stud for next 15. We will never get over this hump ever until the QB carousel is put to rest. Glad Brock is here and he was great but that does not mean he will ultimately be better than Trey. It just sucks we get rid of one never ending QB issue and now it seems we have a whole new one. I guess it's not a bad spot to have two potentials but eventually, some day, the gauntlet needs to be laid and these words come from Kyles mouth "Trey or Brock is the FRANCHISE QB" no more this year, this moment, this game. It needs to end.

I think it's very difficult to argue this wouldn't be Brock's job going forward without the injury, but the fact is he did get injured and Trey has another legitimate opportunity in front of him.

The opportunity is a product of coincidence, just as it was when Brock took over.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

What s**t?

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Ohhh I'm sure there would be guys poking holes in his game. We know who they'd be lol.

Personally I think Lance has a much higher upside, will it ever get there? Who knows. A lot of development needed. I think at the very worst we got a Kirk cousins level QB in Brock (Kirky has a stronger arm/purdy more athletic). Where is his ceiling though? Is it enough to contend with the top dogs in the playoffs? Who knows. Like what I saw for the most part.

If Brock is Drew Brees, I'll be happy.

lol if Brock is Drew Brees, everyone would be ecstatic!

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

I had this interview saved and then realized you have to download some podcast app. Talking with Avery…Hurts QB coach in the off season

Trey says he was throwing 3 times a week for like 20 months straight with maybe a week or two off in that time frame.

He needs to throw more than 3 times a week. I'll throw more than 50 times just messing around with my kids when we play outside.

Think he meant sessions.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Ohhh I'm sure there would be guys poking holes in his game. We know who they'd be lol.

Personally I think Lance has a much higher upside, will it ever get there? Who knows. A lot of development needed. I think at the very worst we got a Kirk cousins level QB in Brock (Kirky has a stronger arm/purdy more athletic). Where is his ceiling though? Is it enough to contend with the top dogs in the playoffs? Who knows. Like what I saw for the most part.

If Brock is Drew Brees, I'll be happy.

lol is Brock is Drew Brees, everyone would be ecstatic!

Interesting that Brock and Drew had a conversation during Superbowl weekend. I wonder what they talked about?

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

I had this interview saved and then realized you have to download some podcast app. Talking with Avery…Hurts QB coach in the off season

Trey says he was throwing 3 times a week for like 20 months straight with maybe a week or two off in that time frame.

He needs to throw more than 3 times a week. I'll throw more than 50 times just messing around with my kids when we play outside.

Think he meant sessions.

Yes. Sessions. Sorry. Thought that was a given.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Ohhh I'm sure there would be guys poking holes in his game. We know who they'd be lol.

Personally I think Lance has a much higher upside, will it ever get there? Who knows. A lot of development needed. I think at the very worst we got a Kirk cousins level QB in Brock (Kirky has a stronger arm/purdy more athletic). Where is his ceiling though? Is it enough to contend with the top dogs in the playoffs? Who knows. Like what I saw for the most part.

If Brock is Drew Brees, I'll be happy.

lol if Brock is Drew Brees, everyone would be ecstatic!

Does any other team potentially have Drew Brees and Josh Allen in their QB room? I think not!

Give us #6 already!

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Does any other team potentially have Drew Brees and Josh Allen in their QB room? I think not!

Give us #6 already!

Just wait til we add back 'Starter Potential' Suds and it's game over man (for the rest of the league)

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Does any other team potentially have Drew Brees and Josh Allen in their QB room? I think not!

Give us #6 already!

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Like I said in my post earlier

When you consider the players that are not here because of Trey and CMC, then add in what the players would have cost for the picks....it just about pays for CMC.

They added one of the biggest and most expensive impact RBs in the entire league and stayed just about cap neutral for a handful of gambles.

To me that is a win

Trey is not ideal at 10m....no doubt about it, but no one knew Purdy was going to show up....so yeah they swung for a Franchise QB.

All I am saying Is I like the idea of not paying millions on a gamble....so if an opportunity arises to trade away expensive gambles, and the team is already stacked like the 49ers are....do it....trade the high picks every single time.

You're going thru logic pretzels here.. TL is not cheaper than picks 12,29,29.. he just isn't, not on a per player basis, whatsoever. 3 for $13.9m is a better deal than 1 for $10.8m. It was a fun idea, and I had some interest in exploring it, so I will thank you for that.

To me 10.8 is very cheap for a QB in the NFL. Good ones run you up to 30m per year, great ones $50m. 10m is backup money and he may very well be our starter. I am convinced that rook contracts are cheap and a sweet deal for NFL teams, you don't really save money by trading out your picks, as you have to fill those roster spots somehow, and FAs who are beyond scrub level are not cheap.

To each their own....no biggy

On this team with as much talent as they have....I would have gone for the home run hit on CMC....

I would take

Trey and CMC at 23 million

Vs

QB Suddfield(2m), RB Wilson(1m), Sermon (1m), 12th (5.4,), 29th (3.9), 29th (4m), 2nd (est 1.7m), 3rd (est 1.6), 4th (est 900k), 5th (est 800k) at @ 20 million

Wilson and Sermon are actually a little higher then that...but trying to keep the math simple (for my sake).

Of course it is not really 23 vs 20. The team still has to carry a full roster. So they need to add 8 more players at 600k-ish each. So it is really 4.8 million added in roster additions.

So really 28 million vs @ 21m.

I get both sides of it....but I would absolutely go Trey and CMC...

Actually If we are wishing something into existence.... I would go Purdy-Brian Burns-CMC plus 8 cheap players at 30 million vs the 21m for the draft picks and players replaced.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Like I said in my post earlier

When you consider the players that are not here because of Trey and CMC, then add in what the players would have cost for the picks....it just about pays for CMC.

They added one of the biggest and most expensive impact RBs in the entire league and stayed just about cap neutral for a handful of gambles.

To me that is a win

Trey is not ideal at 10m....no doubt about it, but no one knew Purdy was going to show up....so yeah they swung for a Franchise QB.

All I am saying Is I like the idea of not paying millions on a gamble....so if an opportunity arises to trade away expensive gambles, and the team is already stacked like the 49ers are....do it....trade the high picks every single time.

You're going thru logic pretzels here.. TL is not cheaper than picks 12,29,29.. he just isn't, not on a per player basis, whatsoever. 3 for $13.9m is a better deal than 1 for $10.8m. It was a fun idea, and I had some interest in exploring it, so I will thank you for that.

To me 10.8 is very cheap for a QB in the NFL. Good ones run you up to 30m per year, great ones $50m. 10m is backup money and he may very well be our starter. I am convinced that rook contracts are cheap and a sweet deal for NFL teams, you don't really save money by trading out your picks, as you have to fill those roster spots somehow, and FAs who are beyond scrub level are not cheap.

To each their own....no biggy

On this team with as much talent as they have....I would have gone for the home run hit on CMC....

I would take

Trey and CMC at 23 million

Vs

QB Suddfield(2m), RB Wilson(1m), Sermon (1m), 12th (5.4,), 29th (3.9), 29th (4m), 2nd (est 1.7m), 3rd (est 1.6), 4th (est 900k), 5th (est 800k) at @ 20 million

Wilson and Sermon are actually a little higher then that...but trying to keep the math simple (for my sake).

Of course it is not really 23 vs 20. The team still has to carry a full roster. So they need to add 8 more players at 600k-ish each. So it is really 4.8 million added in roster additions.

So really 28 million vs @ 21m.

I get both sides of it....but I would absolutely go Trey and CMC...

Actually If we are wishing something into existence.... I would go Purdy-Brian Burns-CMC plus 8 cheap players at 30 million vs the 21m for the draft picks and players replaced.

No need to loop CMC into this..

I was simply looking at the cap math of pick 3 overall, vs pick 12,29,29. I don't see any savings one way or the other. Getting CMC had nothing to do with getting TL, two different moves. If anything getting CMC had to do with having JG fall off the books. Rook contracts win, they are great deals from a cap perspective, and we have two QBs on em

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Like I said in my post earlier

When you consider the players that are not here because of Trey and CMC, then add in what the players would have cost for the picks....it just about pays for CMC.

They added one of the biggest and most expensive impact RBs in the entire league and stayed just about cap neutral for a handful of gambles.

To me that is a win

Trey is not ideal at 10m....no doubt about it, but no one knew Purdy was going to show up....so yeah they swung for a Franchise QB.

All I am saying Is I like the idea of not paying millions on a gamble....so if an opportunity arises to trade away expensive gambles, and the team is already stacked like the 49ers are....do it....trade the high picks every single time.

You're going thru logic pretzels here.. TL is not cheaper than picks 12,29,29.. he just isn't, not on a per player basis, whatsoever. 3 for $13.9m is a better deal than 1 for $10.8m. It was a fun idea, and I had some interest in exploring it, so I will thank you for that.

To me 10.8 is very cheap for a QB in the NFL. Good ones run you up to 30m per year, great ones $50m. 10m is backup money and he may very well be our starter. I am convinced that rook contracts are cheap and a sweet deal for NFL teams, you don't really save money by trading out your picks, as you have to fill those roster spots somehow, and FAs who are beyond scrub level are not cheap.

To each their own....no biggy

On this team with as much talent as they have....I would have gone for the home run hit on CMC....

I would take

Trey and CMC at 23 million

Vs

QB Suddfield(2m), RB Wilson(1m), Sermon (1m), 12th (5.4,), 29th (3.9), 29th (4m), 2nd (est 1.7m), 3rd (est 1.6), 4th (est 900k), 5th (est 800k) at @ 20 million

Wilson and Sermon are actually a little higher then that...but trying to keep the math simple (for my sake).

Of course it is not really 23 vs 20. The team still has to carry a full roster. So they need to add 8 more players at 600k-ish each. So it is really 4.8 million added in roster additions.

So really 28 million vs @ 21m.

I get both sides of it....but I would absolutely go Trey and CMC...

Actually If we are wishing something into existence.... I would go Purdy-Brian Burns-CMC plus 8 cheap players at 30 million vs the 21m for the draft picks and players replaced.

No need to loop CMC into this..

I was simply looking at the cap math of pick 3 overall, vs pick 12,29,29. I don't see any savings one way or the other. Getting CMC had nothing to do with getting TL, two different moves. If anything getting CMC had to do with having JG fall off the books. Rook contracts win, they are great deals from a cap perspective, and we have two QBs on em

That is why in my first post, I said I only like the trading away the lance picks and the CMC picks because they helped the 49ers afford CMC.

Without CMC or some other cost controlled major talent.... I would take the picks.

Without CMC....I am right there with you.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Like I said in my post earlier

When you consider the players that are not here because of Trey and CMC, then add in what the players would have cost for the picks....it just about pays for CMC.

They added one of the biggest and most expensive impact RBs in the entire league and stayed just about cap neutral for a handful of gambles.

To me that is a win

Trey is not ideal at 10m....no doubt about it, but no one knew Purdy was going to show up....so yeah they swung for a Franchise QB.

All I am saying Is I like the idea of not paying millions on a gamble....so if an opportunity arises to trade away expensive gambles, and the team is already stacked like the 49ers are....do it....trade the high picks every single time.

You're going thru logic pretzels here.. TL is not cheaper than picks 12,29,29.. he just isn't, not on a per player basis, whatsoever. 3 for $13.9m is a better deal than 1 for $10.8m. It was a fun idea, and I had some interest in exploring it, so I will thank you for that.

To me 10.8 is very cheap for a QB in the NFL. Good ones run you up to 30m per year, great ones $50m. 10m is backup money and he may very well be our starter. I am convinced that rook contracts are cheap and a sweet deal for NFL teams, you don't really save money by trading out your picks, as you have to fill those roster spots somehow, and FAs who are beyond scrub level are not cheap.

To each their own....no biggy

On this team with as much talent as they have....I would have gone for the home run hit on CMC....

I would take

Trey and CMC at 23 million

Vs

QB Suddfield(2m), RB Wilson(1m), Sermon (1m), 12th (5.4,), 29th (3.9), 29th (4m), 2nd (est 1.7m), 3rd (est 1.6), 4th (est 900k), 5th (est 800k) at @ 20 million

Wilson and Sermon are actually a little higher then that...but trying to keep the math simple (for my sake).

Of course it is not really 23 vs 20. The team still has to carry a full roster. So they need to add 8 more players at 600k-ish each. So it is really 4.8 million added in roster additions.

So really 28 million vs @ 21m.

I get both sides of it....but I would absolutely go Trey and CMC...

Actually If we are wishing something into existence.... I would go Purdy-Brian Burns-CMC plus 8 cheap players at 30 million vs the 21m for the draft picks and players replaced.

No need to loop CMC into this..

I was simply looking at the cap math of pick 3 overall, vs pick 12,29,29. I don't see any savings one way or the other. Getting CMC had nothing to do with getting TL, two different moves. If anything getting CMC had to do with having JG fall off the books. Rook contracts win, they are great deals from a cap perspective, and we have two QBs on em

That is why in my first post, I said I only like the trading away the lance picks and the CMC picks because they helped the 49ers afford CMC.

Without CMC or some other cost controlled major talent.... I would take the picks.

Without CMC....I am right there with you.

We haven't demonstrated the TL trade saved any cap. With your math, it's at best $3m saved in the final year of contract, however you have 2 fewer players. And to fill out the 53, $3m between 2 players is $1.5m each, which is nothing. If you demonstrated that somehow giving up ones in 2022 and 2023 saved us money, you would have some case I suppose..

I've never in my life heard of any NFL team dealing out picks (first rounders no less) with the goal of landing a player like CMC, thanks to saved cap space. That's nonsense. You land CMC and figure out who to restructure or cost down like JG got his deal reduced, stuff like that.