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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Nope. Was to faithful.
Brock shows why you dont take a Mac in the first round. Can get a superior player in physical ability and production at 262.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Let me introduce you to Brock Purdy
Originally posted by krizay:
Brock shows why you don't trade alot of assets for a QB. Can get a guy to run your system literally anywhere in the draft
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/story/_/id/31173355/all-29-s-nfl-teams-traded-draft-quarterback
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by krizay:
Brock shows why you don't trade alot of assets for a QB. Can get a guy to run your system literally anywhere in the draft
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/story/_/id/31173355/all-29-s-nfl-teams-traded-draft-quarterback
What are you hoping Mac looks like under his new OC? How much you hoping his TD/INT ratio improves? Well above the 1:1 it almost was at least?
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You spent the last page saying let's stay on the topic of TL to my TL related posts and now this
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You spent the last page saying let's stay on the topic of TL to my TL related posts and now this
Sorry bout that.
Is there anything else you'd like to add about the 3 1st rd picks that are now gone?
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I love the way some people keep complaining about the 3 first round picks they used to get Trey. Suppose they would have stayed at #12 and selected whoever was still there. He would probably still be struggling. The other 2 draft picks were late round picks that may or may not have been good players. First round picks haven't been the strength of this team so they could just as well have been busts.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Getting someone like Brock is exactly why you don't need to spend a 1st on a guy like Mac. Someone who can manage and run your offense. That's fine, that doesn't separate you from the top teams who have QBs that can do that plus more (not saying Brock can't, but there are limitations).
you do spend up for those high traits and upside. You can end up with an elite QB or you can end up wasting the picks, but you shouldn't be afraid to take those chances…if you don't, you end up being like the Colts who went after every vet QB that teams didn't want anymore. You end up like the bengals for years with Dalton. You end up like the Raiders who had a "good" QB, but never a guy that was gonna be looked at as elite (and still had to pay stupid money for) there's a long ass list of teams like that.
Originally posted by krizay:
Yeah, it was just honestly, I don't know," Lance told Avery. "If there's someone out there at quarterback throwing that much, I mean, it was just, realistically, going back—COVID, and then I started throwing in May because I was rehabbing my hip. So that was when I started getting the ball back in my hand, in May. So I threw from May 2020 all the way through that year, draft prep, get drafted the next April.
"So, at that point, I had been throwing for a year straight and then go through that whole season until the next January. So I'd say probably, I don't know, about 20 months straight of throwing. Like I said, probably a week off in there. I don't even know if I took a whole week [off] between that whole time. But through that whole season, yeah, for probably 20 months straight."
20 straight months but you guys are convinced accuracy can be taught?
Originally posted by krizay:
The problem with what you are saying is often times teams are fitting a round peg in a square hole. They think they can mold the high traits and upside and majority of the time it's not the case.
They are often better off taking the guy that fits what they are trying to do offensively. These QBs aren't one size fit all. Taking the biggest, fastest & strongest doesn't guarantee anything.
Kyle's offense is the complete opposite of what Trey's skillset is. We are taking multiple years trying to mold him into Kyle's offense. That usually doesn't end well.
I think if Trey was on a shotgun, spread heavy team he could possibly be on a better trajectory. In this offense, I just don't see it.
IMO and I don't care if ESPN, Twitter or YouTube agrees with me, EVERY QB (except Mahomes, Possibly Burrow and Herbert) needs to be in the right system to succeed. You can't just have physical traits. The non physical traits needs to match that of your offensive Coordinator
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
We gave up the 29th overall pick last year and the 29th overall pick this year for Trey Lance.
But it feels like we gave up two #1 overall picks when we talk about the trade. Normally if a person looked at the results and draft picks given up we would look like the winners in that trade taking us from #12 overall all the way back to #29 in back to back years. Problem here is that he wasn't on the field for it.
I hate that trade and this is not an anti TL convo.. not even talking TL.. but the idea of going back 9 picks and giving up the next two years worth of firsts is just dumb.
Pick 12 had some real players there and we could have kept all the ones.
Those picks are around 16 million a year on the cap (12, 29 and 29)
I get the idea of the draft pick being a loss. You simply don't drop that much draft capital into a project under any circumstance......but I do like the trade.
On a team that that has great players you have to make the cap work for the team.
The Trey trade, and the CMC trade (the picks and the players you no longer need because of Trey and CMC) just about pay for CMC.
To me that is win, on a team as talented as the 49ers....I love the idea of trading away 3 million dollar gambles if you can get great NFL talent that is cost controlled.
That is very well said, this was my train of thought as well.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I love the way some people keep complaining about the 3 first round picks they used to get Trey. Suppose they would have stayed at #12 and selected whoever was still there. He would probably still be struggling. The other 2 draft picks were late round picks that may or may not have been good players. First round picks haven't been the strength of this team so they could just as well have been busts.
Originally posted by krizay:
The problem with what you are saying is often times teams are fitting a round peg in a square hole. They think they can mold the high traits and upside and majority of the time it's not the case.
They are often better off taking the guy that fits what they are trying to do offensively. These QBs aren't one size fit all. Taking the biggest, fastest & strongest doesn't guarantee anything.
Kyle's offense is the complete opposite of what Trey's skillset is. We are taking multiple years trying to mold him into Kyle's offense. That usually doesn't end well.
I think if Trey was on a shotgun, spread heavy team he could possibly be on a better trajectory. In this offense, I just don't see it.
IMO and I don't care if ESPN, Twitter or YouTube agrees with me, EVERY QB (except Mahomes, Possibly Burrow and Herbert) needs to be in the right system to succeed. You can't just have physical traits. The non physical traits needs to match that of your offensive Coordinator
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Getting someone like Brock is exactly why you don't need to spend a 1st on a guy like Mac. Someone who can manage and run your offense. That's fine, that doesn't separate you from the top teams who have QBs that can do that plus more (not saying Brock can't, but there are limitations).
you do spend up for those high traits and upside. You can end up with an elite QB or you can end up wasting the picks, but you shouldn't be afraid to take those chances…if you don't, you end up being like the Colts who went after every vet QB that teams didn't want anymore. You end up like the bengals for years with Dalton. You end up like the Raiders who had a "good" QB, but never a guy that was gonna be looked at as elite (and still had to pay stupid money for) there's a long ass list of teams like that.
The problem with what you are saying is often times teams are fitting a round peg in a square hole. They think they can mold the high traits and upside and majority of the time it's not the case.
They are often better off taking the guy that fits what they are trying to do offensively. These QBs aren't one size fit all. Taking the biggest, fastest & strongest doesn't guarantee anything.
Kyle's offense is the complete opposite of what Trey's skillset is. We are taking multiple years trying to mold him into Kyle's offense. That usually doesn't end well.
I think if Trey was on a shotgun, spread heavy team he could possibly be on a better trajectory. In this offense, I just don't see it.
IMO and I don't care if ESPN, Twitter or YouTube agrees with me, EVERY QB (except Mahomes, Possibly Burrow and Herbert) needs to be in the right system to succeed. You can't just have physical traits. The non physical traits needs to match that of your offensive Coordinator
