Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Waterbear:
But as faithful6 mentioned… Lance was not a prospect that was a sure thing to push Jimmy early in his career. He's a guy we all knew needed reps to figure it out.

So with that in mind… it's actually the opposite of what you said that's true.

We didn't move off of Jimmy because he was injury prone, we moved off Jimmy because Kyle wanted more from his QB. I think Kyle likes Jimmy, but I think he understands that to win a SB he needed more.

Trey could end up being a complete bust… but idk how anyone could say at this point that Kyle didn't want more? Otherwise, why didn't he keep his picks and take Mac Jones if he was completely fine with Jimmy's traits?

Simple. He was smart enough to realize you can get Mac traits much easier. Pick 262 for instance.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I would swap Herbert for Josh Allen or just add Allen to the Any System list.

I don't think Josh would do good here. And the way he constantly throws on the called run plays. Don't think Kyle would like that as well

He wouldn't do that here.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
But as faithful6 mentioned… Lance was not a prospect that was a sure thing to push Jimmy early in his career. He's a guy we all knew needed reps to figure it out.

So with that in mind… it's actually the opposite of what you said that's true.

We didn't move off of Jimmy because he was injury prone, we moved off Jimmy because Kyle wanted more from his QB. I think Kyle likes Jimmy, but I think he understands that to win a SB he needed more.

Trey could end up being a complete bust… but idk how anyone could say at this point that Kyle didn't want more? Otherwise, why didn't he keep his picks and take Mac Jones if he was completely fine with Jimmy's traits?

There is truth to this as there is the presser where KS says as much, he basically said if you have a Josh Allen type that forces you to defend every blade of grass 55+ yds downfield and can run, it puts you at a tactical advantage. I also do believe that when 2 of 3 years go up in flames cuz the starting QB got hurt and we are eating all these losses with the backup, they basically said we aren't going to let that happen anymore, we need a more durable, reliable QB. So I would say truth to both of those sides of it.

Originally posted by WINiner:
I don't see Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, or Kyler Murray as system QB's and I think all 3 could fit in any system (though I don't consider Murray a stud) You missed Lawrence who may be more studly than any of those listed not named Mahomes and Lawrence can also play in any system. I think Jackson could potentially play in several systems and is not relegated to one as your post seems to indicate. I think a lot of people underestimate his passing ability. Watson, though I don't root for, showed some potential to return to his previous form and who could also play in any system imo.

The point is most of these young players don't play in systems that match the college programs they were so successful with and got drafted playing for.

I'm not talking about their college systems. Im talking about looking at what these guys are good at and not good at and what they're asked to do in the NFL.

As for Lawrence, he literally was the guy I thought about adding but not sure he's a stud yet. Though I can understand the argument. He is right there.

If I added him to the list I too would likely add him to the any scheme list.

Originally posted by krizay:
I'm not talking about their college systems. Im talking about looking at what these guys are good at and not good at and what they're asked to do in the NFL.

As for Lawrence, he literally was the guy I thought about adding but not sure he's a stud yet. Though I can understand the argument. He is right there.

If I added him to the list I too would likely add him to the any scheme list.

Fields was one of the most exciting players in the NFL last season imo. Bears were the #1 rush O in the NFL, and that is just not supposed to happen when you are a 3-14 team who is picking #1 overall. Fields may be on the way also, I agree Lawrence in front of Fields. Hard to sustain health with so many hits, Fields started to break down late season.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Fields was one of the most exciting players in the NFL last season imo. Bears were the #1 rush O in the NFL, and that is just not supposed to happen when you are a 3-14 team who is picking #1 overall. Fields may be on the way also, I agree Lawrence in front of Fields. Hard to sustain health with so many hits, Fields started to break down late season.

I'm not about rushing being your best attribute as a QB. Why I don't like Murray, Jackson, Hurts and took a while for me to like Josh.

While I wanted Fields over Lance on draft day. I don't think I'd trade Lance for Fields today knowing what I know now. Would be a tough call though. Man I really don't like either of them TBH. I guess Fields rushing would be bird in hand so maybe I would.

Definitely wouldn't put him on any kind of stud list of mine. Unless we talking fantasy football maybe

Looks like TL got called to the principal's office on this one

also TL says his fav emoji is the fingers crossed emoji, and we don't even have that on here

"Kyle told me the next morning because we had an install meeting. Kyle asked me, 'Have you seen everything? People say you're going to the Titans and stuff,'" Lance said Thursday, via the San Francisco Chronicle. "I go, 'What are you talking about?' And he goes, 'I just saw it. People are talking crazy. They don't know what they're talking about. I just thought it was funny.' He was the one who told me about it. I didn't see anything."

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by WINiner:
There are more stud young QB's in the NFL right now than there's ever been. Hows that again? All these teams juuuust happened to get QB's who were perfectly molded for their systems coming out? Get the hell outta here with that nonsense.

I guess it depends on how you define stud. I will widen my definition to fit your argument.

Any system
Garappolo
Mahomes
Burrow
Herbert

Right system

Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Jalen Hurts
Tua
Kyler Murray

Who else do you consider studs? I personally stop at top 4.

You likely are going to post guys with stud potential. But are they really studs?

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Originally posted by raywm3:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by WINiner:
There are more stud young QB's in the NFL right now than there's ever been. Hows that again? All these teams juuuust happened to get QB's who were perfectly molded for their systems coming out? Get the hell outta here with that nonsense.

I guess it depends on how you define stud. I will widen my definition to fit your argument.

Any system
Garappolo
Mahomes
Burrow
Herbert

Right system

Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Jalen Hurts
Tua
Kyler Murray

Who else do you consider studs? I personally stop at top 4.

You likely are going to post guys with stud potential. But are they really studs?

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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by raywm3:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by WINiner:
There are more stud young QB's in the NFL right now than there's ever been. Hows that again? All these teams juuuust happened to get QB's who were perfectly molded for their systems coming out? Get the hell outta here with that nonsense.

I guess it depends on how you define stud. I will widen my definition to fit your argument.

Any system
Garappolo
Mahomes
Burrow
Herbert

Right system

Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Jalen Hurts
Tua
Kyler Murray

Who else do you consider studs? I personally stop at top 4.

You likely are going to post guys with stud potential. But are they really studs?

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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I love the way some people keep complaining about the 3 first round picks they used to get Trey. Suppose they would have stayed at #12 and selected whoever was still there. He would probably still be struggling. The other 2 draft picks were late round picks that may or may not have been good players. First round picks haven't been the strength of this team so they could just as well have been busts.

Yeah could've gotten ourselves a Solomon Thomas, Reuben Foster and AJ Jenkins with those picks.

Lol I hope Trey balls out this off season and improves. I still think he ends up QB2 if Purdy is fully healthy. It'll be interesting to watch this off season.

i was finally looking forward to us knowing who our QB is 😭.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I love the way some people keep complaining about the 3 first round picks they used to get Trey. Suppose they would have stayed at #12 and selected whoever was still there. He would probably still be struggling. The other 2 draft picks were late round picks that may or may not have been good players. First round picks haven't been the strength of this team so they could just as well have been busts.

Yeah could've gotten ourselves a Solomon Thomas, Reuben Foster and AJ Jenkins with those picks.

Eh we could of drafted Micah parsons, he def isn't struggling. But overall, I get what you're saying. Picks don't mean anytbing if you don't hit on them.

i have no problem with us taking the chance we did, you HAVE to find a Qb in this league. I was surprised we drafted Lance but that's old news.

fortunately we still have 11 picks and they're in the rounds we usually crush.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I love the way some people keep complaining about the 3 first round picks they used to get Trey. Suppose they would have stayed at #12 and selected whoever was still there. He would probably still be struggling. The other 2 draft picks were late round picks that may or may not have been good players. First round picks haven't been the strength of this team so they could just as well have been busts.

Yeah could've gotten ourselves a Solomon Thomas, Reuben Foster and AJ Jenkins with those picks.

Eh we could of drafted Micah parsons, he def isn't struggling. But overall, I get what you're saying. Picks don't mean anytbing if you don't hit on them.

i have no problem with us taking the chance we did, you HAVE to find a Qb in this league. I was surprised we drafted Lance but that's old news.

fortunately we still have 11 picks and they're in the rounds we usually crush.

Exactly. I will never bash a team for trying to get a franchise QB if they think they don't have one and clearly you don't make a move like that thinking you have one.

We may never get to see Lance become what the team expected of him whether due to injury or because Brock plays well enough to keep Lance from getting the reps he needs to develop properly. The move still made sense.

We can argue about it now but we know 2 things.

1. 49ers felt Jimmy G wasn't a long term solution
2. They loved Trey enough to take him at #3 overall after that type of trade up.

To me if you believe those two things then you make that move 100 times out of 100.

Who knows what happens in the future with Trey and who knows what would've happened this season had he not gotten hurt vs Seattle.

Brock being in the picture gives us insurance and overall looking at the trade value chart and depreciating value of future draft picks on the day of that draft we actually won the trade from draft capital perspective.

If Trey turns into a franchise QB we'll go back and laugh at anyone doubting the move. If he doesn't it's not a coach or franchise killer move. We can go back and play pretend with who we could've had but we don't know. This team has done a pretty good job of finding late round talent but first round picks outside of Bosa haven't exactly been slam dunks.

Originally posted by genus49:
Exactly. I will never bash a team for trying to get a franchise QB if they think they don't have one and clearly you don't make a move like that thinking you have one.

We may never get to see Lance become what the team expected of him whether due to injury or because Brock plays well enough to keep Lance from getting the reps he needs to develop properly. The move still made sense.

We can argue about it now but we know 2 things.

1. 49ers felt Jimmy G wasn't a long term solution
2. They loved Trey enough to take him at #3 overall after that type of trade up.

To me if you believe those two things then you make that move 100 times out of 100.

Who knows what happens in the future with Trey and who knows what would've happened this season had he not gotten hurt vs Seattle.

Brock being in the picture gives us insurance and overall looking at the trade value chart and depreciating value of future draft picks on the day of that draft we actually won the trade from draft capital perspective.

If Trey turns into a franchise QB we'll go back and laugh at anyone doubting the move. If he doesn't it's not a coach or franchise killer move. We can go back and play pretend with who we could've had but we don't know. This team has done a pretty good job of finding late round talent but first round picks outside of Bosa haven't exactly been slam dunks.

But the more you dive into it, the more I got to know the guy, the more I got to find out some stuff about him, I believed in what I didn't see and what I believe we will see."

Recipe for disaster.