Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Anyone saying QB isn't the most important position in sports shouldn't be taken seriously.

If it's so important why do you only have a 5 year window to win? You have been the biggest advocate to getting on the rookie deal. If we have said QB for 10+ years why is the QBs developmental stage our best chance to win?

The old adage is "football is the ultimate team sport". Either W/L is a QB stat or a QB doing his job is no more important than the other 52 guys. As it relates to winning.

Originally posted by krizay:
If it's so important why do you only have a 5 year window to win? You have been the biggest advocate to getting on the rookie deal. If we have said QB for 10+ years why is the QBs developmental stage our best chance to win?

The old adage is "football is the ultimate team sport". Either W/L is a QB stat or a QB doing his job is no more important than the other 52 guys. As it relates to winning.

Because you're stuck overpaying damn near every QB. Someone is gonna pay Carr $40M, Jimmy $30M, Jones $35M and there isn't a damn person in here that thinks they're a FQB that can win it all. Dak is gonna cost $50M this yr! SO if you're forced to pay a starting QB all that cash…then overpay for the guy that can makeup for those lost players. Pay for the guys that can just go out and win you games if your missing some talent elsewhere…whether because of a lack of cap space or injuries. That's the person you want behind center. That's the goal.

yes the ideal situation is having a GOOD to even great QB on a rookie contract. Hence why SF made the move for a QB. If Lance isn't the dude, then try to find him again and again and again…until you find him! Plain and simple. Stop with the "avg to above QB" QB b******t. Stop with the vet retreads that were never special talents to begin with.

You're overpaying for a starting caliber QB regardless BECAUSE it's so f**king important…THIS league is QB driven. Yes you might see an off year where Nick Foles wins a SB, but even he played out of his mind. I want sustainable success and SB's like everyone else, that s**t isn't gonna happen until they get the QB right. Period.

9Originally posted by NYniner85:
Because you're stuck overpaying damn near every QB. Someone is gonna pay Carr $40M, Jimmy $30M, Jones $35M and there isn't a damn person in here that thinks they're a FQB that can win it all. Dak is gonna cost $50M this yr! SO if you're forced to pay a starting QB all that cash…then overpay for the guy that can makeup for those lost players. Pay for the guys that can just go out and win you games if your missing some talent elsewhere…whether because of a lack of cap space or injuries. That's the person you want behind center. That's the goal.

yes the ideal situation is having a GOOD to even great QB on a rookie contract. Hence why SF made the move for a QB. If Lance isn't the dude, then go find him again and again and again…until you find him! Plain and simple. Stop with the "avg to above QB" QB b******t. Stop with the vet retreads that were never special talents to begin with.

You're overpaying for a starting caliber QB regardless BECAUSE it's so f**king important…THIS league is QB driven. Yes you might see an off year where Nick Foles wins a SB, but even he played out of his mind. I want sustainable success and SB's like everyone else, that s**t isn't gonna happen until they get the QB right. Period.

Starting caliber QB. that is all you need. As long as he can run your offense and not turn the ball over.

Sounds to me like you're saying ELITE QBs are important. Not so much that the QB position is important. You just named 4 QBs that was in the playoff either this year or last. Then telling me you don't expect them to be able to win.

You can't sit in the Shanny thread and talk about how hard it is for a coach to win the SB. Then when talking QBs mock the guys you don't think can win it all. Isn't it just as difficult for QBs to win as coaches? Of course it is.

Originally posted by krizay:
If it's so important why do you only have a 5 year window to win? You have been the biggest advocate to getting on the rookie deal. If we have said QB for 10+ years why is the QBs developmental stage our best chance to win?

The old adage is "football is the ultimate team sport". Either W/L is a QB stat or a QB doing his job is no more important than the other 52 guys. As it relates to winning.

There's a gulf the size of the grand canyon between giving qbs all the credit for winning and saying you can get a qb anywhere in the draft to fit your system.

Originally posted by krizay:
Starting caliber QB. that is all you need. As long as he can run your offense and not turn the ball over.

Sounds to me like you're saying ELITE QBs are important. Not so much that the QB position is important. You just named 4 QBs that was in the playoff either this year or last. Then telling me you don't expect them to be able to win.

You can't sit in the Shanny thread and talk about how hard it is for a coach to win the SB. Then when talking QBs mock the guys you don't think can win it all. Isn't it just as difficult for QBs to win as coaches? Of course it is.

No it's not all you need lol. That's what's I said in the first paragraph. Carr is a starting QB. Jimmy is. jones is…they will be massively overpaid and the team they go to (or stay on) isn't gonna become some super consistent Super Bowl team.

lol talk about twisting my words in another thread to try and play me off as being a hypocrite. Typical rebuttal from you.

Kyle is doing is part as a HC. He ain't gonna be some consistent Super Bowl winning HC if he keeps tossing out avg starting QBs.

you want CONSISTENT Super Bowl championships, you need a great HC with a great QB…especially in today's league. You don't value the QB position, good for you…the league totally disagrees with you.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
There's a gulf the size of the grand canyon between giving qbs all the credit for winning and saying you can get a qb anywhere in the draft to fit your system.

Well, clearly it isn't anywhere close to a guarantee that the guy you get "anywhere" in the draft will pan out. It also isn't an exact science because not every team has an established scheme.

My thoughts are more for the teams that has an established scheme that has been tried and tested. Like Kyle's.

Most of my thoughts/opinions are through the eyes of the 9ers. Doesn't exactly fit all teams

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No it's not all you need lol. That's what's I said in the first paragraph. Carr is a starting QB. Jimmy is. jones is…they will be massively overpaid and the team they go to (or stay on) isn't gonna become some super consistent Super Bowl team.

lol talk about twisting my words in another thread to try and play me off as being a hypocrite. Typical rebuttal from you.

Kyle is doing is part as a HC. He ain't gonna be some consistent Super Bowl winning HC if he keeps tossing out avg starting QBs.

you want CONSISTENT Super Bowl championships, you need a great HC with a great QB…especially in today's league. You don't value the QB position, good for you…the league totally disagrees with you.

Good luck with the consistent Superbowls. It's not an easy achievement for coach or QB.

Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes are 2 of 2.

They are making a lot of folks delusional

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
There's a gulf the size of the grand canyon between giving qbs all the credit for winning and saying you can get a qb anywhere in the draft to fit your system.

Dude thinks it's either a QB or the rest of the roster lol. You gotta overpaid for every damn QB. So go find the best one possible that can makeup for any lost talent…because you're losing that talent regardless.

He's stuck in the 90s. League is different now.

Originally posted by krizay:


Good luck with the consistent Superbowls. It's not an easy achievement for coach or QB.

Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes are 2 of 2.

They are making a lot of folks delusional

So don't brother to find the QB lol? Let's settle for guys like Kirk Cousins MASSIVELY over paid for him, lose talent regardless and not win super bowls?

Nah dude you keep trying to find that guy.

IMO you need two things to be consistently getting to SB's you need a great HC and a great QB. We have one currently.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So don't brother to find the QB lol? Let's settle for guys like Kirk Cousins MASSIVELY over paid for him, lose talent regardless and not win super bowls?

Nah dude you keep trying to find that guy.

IMO you need two things to be consistently getting to SB's you need a great HC and a great QB. We have one currently.

Do you really think Jimmy will get 30m? pff projects 15m. At that price, he may as well stick around. I agree you can't have too many developmental qb's on the roster -- there should be an nfl roster exemption for qb's -- but you also can't bet the farm on busts like jamarcus or leaf or rosen etc etc. That's not gonna work out either.

Look man I actually respect your opinion on a lot of stuff…except this QB debate we've had going on for years. Totally disagree with your philosophy there.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Do you really think Jimmy will get 30m? pff projects 15m. At that price, he may as well stick around. I agree you can't have too many developmental qb's on the roster -- there should be an nfl roster exemption for qb's -- but you also can't bet the farm on busts like jamarcus or leaf or rosen etc etc. That's not gonna work out either.

Don't need a 15 mil backup

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So don't brother to find the QB lol? Let's settle for guys like Kirk Cousins MASSIVELY over paid for him, lose talent regardless and not win super bowls?

Nah dude you keep trying to find that guy.

IMO you need two things to be consistently getting to SB's you need a great HC and a great QB. We have one currently.

Finding a great qb is hard. Keeping an elite roster year after year to make up for a "starting" qb who doesn't play well enough to carry the team is way harder.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Do you really think Jimmy will get 30m? pff projects 15m. At that price, he may as well stick around. I agree you can't have too many developmental qb's on the roster -- there should be an nfl roster exemption for qb's -- but you also can't bet the farm on busts like jamarcus or leaf or rosen etc etc. That's not gonna work out either.

I can't see him getting $15M unless it's a big deal that has a lower cap hit this yr.

spotrac has him at 4 yrs $139M

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/jimmy-garoppolo-14472/market-value/

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Look man I actually respect your opinion on a lot of stuff…except this QB debate we've had going on for years. Totally disagree with your philosophy there.

QB philosophy has DEFINITELY been our major differences. All good though