Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
What Brock did is more than enough to start over Trey at this point. Saying that he had to beat Mahomes in his rookie year was just setting the bar so high for a rookie that he would likely fail (and you knew that).

We were the #1 offense with Brock, and a lot of his individual numbers were ridiculous. It's going to be hard to improve on that. If Trey doesn't come in and have the offense at that level, it's Brock's team when he's healthy

Brock had to beat hurts and Mahomes because he has to sit down the guy we spent three firsts on that was drafted to be groomed to do so. Jimmy was very good too you know. Brock I believe was better but we just got beat by what Trey is supposed to become.

Brock had a chance to change our plans but a freak injury robbed him of that chance. Now there's a fresh competition and if Trey heats up this summer and the start of the season then it is Brock that will be waiting his turn again.

Had Brock won it all he'd be reinserted the moment he recovered but now he's gonna have to do surgery recover work his way back and then watch and wait on Trey and how he's progressing

We are tired of one guy winning the job over the other. We want to finish with the team being the last team standing. We need a superstar under center that can defy defenses because I know what I just saw this superbowl and if we have to beat that. I don't want to roll out a Jimmy Garropolo because the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Shanahan understood that at the time he drafted Trey. Brock almost derailed that train but the way I see it now it's Trey Dey err dey all Dey as Brock is injured . Then if that plan falters we know we can win with Brock as he gives us a fighting chance as proven by 2022

Either way we're good with either guy but I just believe right now we gotta see it through with Trey after watching that Super Bowl

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I mean tossing out #1 offense without talking about the defenses they played during that stretch is silly.

I could make an argument that the only real D they played was Dallas. TB was a shell of their past D. Seattle's D was nothing special. Raiders blow. Miami's D stunk. AZ's sucks especially in W18. DC is the only other legit D on that list.

Brock played who he played and did well. Not taking anything away from him. It was pretty special to see that from a 7th rd rookie. I don't see him as some elite level QB in the league for the next decade. Would love to be wrong about it…Lance does have the ability to do things he simply can't. Doesn't mean he will ever get there BUT no one will know until he actually gets to play legit football.

personally I don't care if it's Lance or Brock. I want an upper echelon QB here though. I don't want Jimmy G 2.0 level QB play all over again.

Trey has played nothing but garbage and hasn't once looked as good as Brock. All I'm saying is at this point Brock is the leader. You can't keep trotting Trey out there if the offense still doesn't look good with him under center and Brock is ready to go

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Brock had to beat hurts and Mahomes because he has to sit down the guy we spent three firsts on that was drafted to be groomed to do so. Jimmy was very good too you know. Brock I believe was better but we just got beat by what Trey is supposed to become.

Brock had a chance to change our plans but a freak injury robbed him of that chance. Now there's a fresh competition and if Trey heats up this summer and the start of the season then it is Brock that will be waiting his turn again.

Had Brock won it all he'd be reinserted the moment he recovered but now he's gonna have to do surgery recover work his way back and then watch and wait on Trey and how he's progressing

We are tired of one guy winning the job over the other. We want to finish with the team being the last team standing. We need a superstar under center that can defy defenses because I know what I just saw this superbowl and if we have to beat that. I don't want to roll out a Jimmy Garropolo because the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Shanahan understood that at the time he drafted Trey. Brock almost derailed that train but the way I see it now it's Trey Dey err dey all Dey as Brock is injured . Then if that plan falters we know we can win with Brock as he gives us a fighting chance as proven by 2022

Either way we're good with either guy but I just believe right now we gotta see it through with Trey after watching that Super Bowl

This is just a bad way of deciding if Brock gets the job or not. If he stumbled his way to a SB like Peyton in 2015, would you automatically give him the job? I know wouldn't. I base it off his play, and as of right now Purdy > Trey

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean tossing out #1 offense without talking about the defenses they played during that stretch is silly.

I could make an argument that the only real D they played was Dallas. TB was a shell of their past D. Seattle's D was nothing special. Raiders blow. Miami's D stunk. AZ's sucks especially in W18. DC is the only other legit D on that list.

Brock played who he played and did well. Not taking anything away from him. It was pretty special to see that from a 7th rd rookie. I don't see him as some elite level QB in the league for the next decade. Would love to be wrong about it…Lance does have the ability to do things he simply can't. Doesn't mean he will ever get there BUT no one will know until he actually gets to play legit football.

personally I don't care if it's Lance or Brock. I want an upper echelon QB here though. I don't want Jimmy G 2.0 level QB play all over again.

I loved what Brock did but I know this fan base. I know Jed York. We saw Harbaugh canned. Came close not quite. We saw Alex replaced Kap let go. We now saw Jimmy demoted to backup and will be let go. We are seeing Patrick Willis now on his fourth attempt denied the Hall of Fame!

All of the above were in Super Bowls and were in NFCCG. They all had their moments but they aren't champions. We don't want winners we want champions! Let me put some respect on Willis name though because he had a career not a moment but when we got hosed three years in a row when we could have won that a big reason why Willis is being looked over is because we didn't win a Super Bowl

No one will get an argument from me that what Brock did was very good and was more impressive to start his career than Trey has been because this is right. Mac Jones expectedly started his career better than Trey because he had more recent experience playing the game and was deemed game ready whereas Trey was supposed to be developmental with the likelihood to start year two.

What made Brock so fascinating was that as a 7th round third string he wasn't supposed to see the field behind Trey and Jimmy but when he did he blew the Mr Irrelevant outta the water! He completely looked like the guy he was in college while cutting down the mistakes and looked like a Jimmy G with added mobility and he threatened down field minus Jimmy's mistakes and on a team as loaded and as hot as ours was at the time this equaled a 12 game win streak!

That was superb but we still had to watch Hurts and Mahomes in the big game and we were told by pundits weekly that we had the inferior guy under center when it was Dak and Hurts and I'm tired of that because they were wrong on at least one of those situations. I'm ready to win with one of these guys and right now as far as tangible talent level that guy is Trey. As far as intangibles already on display it is Brock as far as my own eye can see as a fan

Tangibles can't be taught so much as the intangibles. Those can be built! I'm hoping we're building a champion

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
This is just a bad way of deciding if Brock gets the job or not. If he stumbled his way to a SB like Peyton in 2015, would you automatically give him the job? I know wouldn't. I base it off his play, and as of right now Purdy > Trey

We have had a LOT of good play over the last 13 seasons but we don't have a chip. Good is not great and great is finishing the job. I firmly believe we COULD have been in that Super Bowl had there been no injury to Brock. Now we're about to see Trey and Brock has not done enough to unseat Trey by likely this September October or November just because he had a good run. He's now gonna have to wait for poor play outta Trey or injury to earn another nod just the same as Trey has this go around

Remember Jimmy was injured in 2021 and took us to the NFCCG but he fell to Stafford and he didn't get another shot until injury. That's the same thing Brock did in 2022 and with identical numbers as Jimmy had this year. Are we happy now? No. Not happy in 2011 2012 2013 2019 2021 or 2022. Close but not quite. Good but not great

This ain't about preference but about great. Big plays explosives overpowering talent on offense no punting thirty point forty points games and winning the chip. That's what we want that's what we need!

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
We beat DAL 19-12. At home. Brock did great NOT turning the ball get as Dak did and he converted multiple third downs time and time again as we fought tooth and nail just to score in the game after being given the ball off turnovers. Good job by the rookie

Fast forward to the Super Bowl where I saw both QBs going up and down the field. Up and down the field . Not at home but in Arizona. I didn't see the punter or I can't remember seeing one in the second half

When I saw Hurts and Mahomes I saw a stark contrast to what we were doing against DAL at home. I knew right then that Purdy was good but so was Jimmy. The stats were identical with Purdy and Jimmy but I believe Purdy was still a bit better especially as a rookie

That said. We need great to win against these guys. We need a big arm. We need a QB with legs. We need offensive aggression and a relentless guy under center that can break defenses. We need to train Trey up and then offensively impose our will upon defenses

19 points won't cut it against these teams in those games. I know Brock is better than 19 points because I have seen him in the shootout vs Vegas but I have maintained that Brock needed to beat Hurts and Mahomes to take the anointing off Trey Lance. Injury robbed him of that chance and here we have Trey getting healthy again so that he now has the chance to show us he can beat Hurts and Mahomes because that is what we need!

We don't need good. We need great! I'm not trying to like my QB or prefer my QB. I want to win it all. I want to leave no doubt that we have a guy that can score and march the ball up and down the field with his arms and his legs that can render inferior defenses to ours useless in the big game

This is what I want and by spending three firsts. This is what Kyle wants

You do realize that the same Jalen Hurts you're praising for the SB performance went 15-25 155 yards 2 TDs. 9 carries 27 yards versus that same Dallas defense

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

We have had a LOT of good play over the last 13 seasons but we don't have a chip. Good is not great and great is finishing the job. I firmly believe we COULD have been in that Super Bowl had there been no injury to Brock. Now we're about to see Trey and Brock has not done enough to unseat Trey by likely this September October or November just because he had a good run. He's now gonna have to wait for poor play outta Trey or injury to earn another nod just the same as Trey has this go around

Remember Jimmy was injured in 2021 and took us to the NFCCG but he fell to Stafford and he didn't get another shot until injury. That's the same thing Brock did in 2022 and with identical numbers as Jimmy had this year. Are we happy now? No. Not happy in 2011 2012 2013 2019 2021 or 2022. Close but not quite. Good but not great

This ain't about preference but about great. Big plays explosives overpowering talent on offense no punting thirty point forty points games and winning the chip. That's what we want that's what we need!

The difference between Brock and Jimmy is the plan for the last year or 2 hasn't been to move on from Brock. Brock is in the future plans, he's set the bar for QB play on this team, and that includes Jimmy. It's up to Trey to show he can play at that level, otherwise it's still Brock's job when he's healthy

There were 10 QBs that had more pass attempts THIS SEASON than Trey Lance has in his entire NFL, college & high school CAREER COMBINED (519). pic.twitter.com/WgAfkBX1VH

— WTF Stats (@WTFstats) February 18, 2023

Yeah he just needs reps. Maybe another 8 years of development and he'll be starter caliber

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
We have had a LOT of good play over the last 13 seasons but we don't have a chip. Good is not great and great is finishing the job. I firmly believe we COULD have been in that Super Bowl had there been no injury to Brock. Now we're about to see Trey and Brock has not done enough to unseat Trey by likely this September October or November just because he had a good run. He's now gonna have to wait for poor play outta Trey or injury to earn another nod just the same as Trey has this go around

Remember Jimmy was injured in 2021 and took us to the NFCCG but he fell to Stafford and he didn't get another shot until injury. That's the same thing Brock did in 2022 and with identical numbers as Jimmy had this year. Are we happy now? No. Not happy in 2011 2012 2013 2019 2021 or 2022. Close but not quite. Good but not great

This ain't about preference but about great. Big plays explosives overpowering talent on offense no punting thirty point forty points games and winning the chip. That's what we want that's what we need!

The difference between Brock and Jimmy is the plan for the last year or 2 hasn't been to move on from Brock. Brock is in the future plans, he's set the bar for QB play on this team, and that includes Jimmy. It's up to Trey to show he can play at that level, otherwise it's still Brock's job when he's healthy

Everyone here knows how much of a Jimmy G supporter I am, but no doubt Borck Purdy played without a doubt much better than Jimmy G has. Regardless of what defense Purdy did play, the kid was dropping a minimum of 30 points on that team. I can't say I ever seen any 49ers QB in the last 24 years do that.

Originally posted by ImRicky:

There were 10 QBs that had more pass attempts THIS SEASON than Trey Lance has in his entire NFL, college & high school CAREER COMBINED (519). pic.twitter.com/WgAfkBX1VH

— WTF Stats (@WTFstats) February 18, 2023

Yeah he just needs reps. Maybe another 8 years of development and he'll be starter caliber

That's what cracks me up. He's never going to make those reps up. They're gone. We're going to have to pay him before we even know what he is.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Trey has played nothing but garbage and hasn't once looked as good as Brock. All I'm saying is at this point Brock is the leader. You can't keep trotting Trey out there if the offense still doesn't look good with him under center and Brock is ready to go

Trey had a broken finger and had to change his grip YR1 and you're legit trying to take anything reasonable away from the bears game? Kid has 100 passing attempts in the league. Let's stop being stupid about it.

brock had 1,500 passing attempts before he came into the league…if you want to say Lance is an unknown that's fine, having any opinion outside of that is nothing more than speculation..which means nothing imo.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean tossing out #1 offense without talking about the defenses they played during that stretch is silly.

I could make an argument that the only real D they played was Dallas. TB was a shell of their past D. Seattle's D was nothing special. Raiders blow. Miami's D stunk. AZ's sucks especially in W18. DC is the only other legit D on that list.

Brock played who he played and did well. Not taking anything away from him. It was pretty special to see that from a 7th rd rookie. I don't see him as some elite level QB in the league for the next decade. Would love to be wrong about it…Lance does have the ability to do things he simply can't. Doesn't mean he will ever get there BUT no one will know until he actually gets to play legit football.

personally I don't care if it's Lance or Brock. I want an upper echelon QB here though. I don't want Jimmy G 2.0 level QB play all over again.

Trey has played nothing but garbage and hasn't once looked as good as Brock. All I'm saying is at this point Brock is the leader. You can't keep trotting Trey out there if the offense still doesn't look good with him under center and Brock is ready to go

It's bs when he says he doesn't care if it's Brock or Lance. He has the biggest hard on for a shanahan/Lance combo.

And we have have seen it. And it looks like my toilet after I've eaten Indian food.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
What Brock did is more than enough to start over Trey at this point. Saying that he had to beat Mahomes in his rookie year was just setting the bar so high for a rookie that he would likely fail (and you knew that).

We were the #1 offense with Brock, and a lot of his individual numbers were ridiculous. It's going to be hard to improve on that. If Trey doesn't come in and have the offense at that level, it's Brock's team when he's healthy

I mean tossing out #1 offense without talking about the defenses they played during that stretch is silly.

I could make an argument that the only real D they played was Dallas. TB was a shell of their past D. Seattle's D was nothing special. Raiders blow. Miami's D stunk. AZ's sucks especially in W18. DC is the only other legit D on that list.

Brock played who he played and did well. Not taking anything away from him. It was pretty special to see that from a 7th rd rookie. I don't see him as some elite level QB in the league for the next decade. Would love to be wrong about it…Lance does have the ability to do things he simply can't. Doesn't mean he will ever get there BUT no one will know until he actually gets to play legit football.

personally I don't care if it's Lance or Brock. I want an upper echelon QB here though. I don't want Jimmy G 2.0 level QB play all over again.

I don't understand this take. Brock literally played like Joe Montana in his prime. The question isn't whether Purdy played at an elite level (his draft status being irrelevant), it's whether or not he can keep playing at that elite level.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
It's bs when he says he doesn't care if it's Brock or Lance. He has the biggest hard on for a shanahan/Lance combo.

And we have have seen it. And it looks like my toilet after I've eaten Indian food.

We don't need to know what your toilet looks like after you've eaten Indian food.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean tossing out #1 offense without talking about the defenses they played during that stretch is silly.

I could make an argument that the only real D they played was Dallas. TB was a shell of their past D. Seattle's D was nothing special. Raiders blow. Miami's D stunk. AZ's sucks especially in W18. DC is the only other legit D on that list.

Brock played who he played and did well. Not taking anything away from him. It was pretty special to see that from a 7th rd rookie. I don't see him as some elite level QB in the league for the next decade. Would love to be wrong about it…Lance does have the ability to do things he simply can't. Doesn't mean he will ever get there BUT no one will know until he actually gets to play legit football.

personally I don't care if it's Lance or Brock. I want an upper echelon QB here though. I don't want Jimmy G 2.0 level QB play all over again.

Trey has played nothing but garbage and hasn't once looked as good as Brock. All I'm saying is at this point Brock is the leader. You can't keep trotting Trey out there if the offense still doesn't look good with him under center and Brock is ready to go

It's bs when he says he doesn't care if it's Brock or Lance. He has the biggest hard on for a shanahan/Lance combo.

And we have have seen it. And it looks like my toilet after I've eaten Indian food.

Oh please. Like you're some unbiased observer. Every opinion you have is based on preconceived s**t takes about our HC. Pot meet kettle.