Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
It's bs when he says he doesn't care if it's Brock or Lance. He has the biggest hard on for a shanahan/Lance combo.

And we have have seen it. And it looks like my toilet after I've eaten Indian food.

Oh piss off with that comment. I got no problem if it's Brock. Nothing but rooting for the kid since he started playing. I wanted Fields from day 1, but understood the pick. I had no problem with developing and taking a couple steps backing to have a legit FQB for the next decade. YOU wanted to trot out avg Jimmy and watch him fail or get hurt over and over. THEN Pretend it was JG making all those plays and holding up Kyle for every W….it's the dumbest most ignorant thing in here to keep going at. You got so butthurt that they were moving off Jimmy that you were gonna hate Lance no matter what.

only one in this convo that's got a stupid narrative is you…it's been plastered all over this forum. Just constantly s**t takes one after another. I haven't read one logical football post from you regarding this. Nothing. I get dumber reading your posts. Mute button is probably in your future.

Originally posted by krizay:
That's what cracks me up. He's never going to make those reps up. They're gone. We're going to have to pay him before we even know what he is.

Maybe exercise patience then if, admittedly, we don't "even know what he is."

Originally posted by Chance:
I don't understand this take. Brock literally played like Joe Montana in his prime. The question isn't whether Purdy played at an elite level (his draft status being irrelevant), it's whether or not he can keep playing at that elite level.

He did not play like prime Montana. He did damn good for a 7th rd rookie that just got thrusted into a starting role.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean tossing out #1 offense without talking about the defenses they played during that stretch is silly.

I could make an argument that the only real D they played was Dallas. TB was a shell of their past D. Seattle's D was nothing special. Raiders blow. Miami's D stunk. AZ's sucks especially in W18. DC is the only other legit D on that list.

Brock played who he played and did well. Not taking anything away from him. It was pretty special to see that from a 7th rd rookie. I don't see him as some elite level QB in the league for the next decade. Would love to be wrong about it…Lance does have the ability to do things he simply can't. Doesn't mean he will ever get there BUT no one will know until he actually gets to play legit football.

personally I don't care if it's Lance or Brock. I want an upper echelon QB here though. I don't want Jimmy G 2.0 level QB play all over again.

I cant believe you wrote this. What are Lances qualities that you are referring to? He is bigger and has a bigger arm. I can go on to list 10 different things brock does which trey isn't doing that create touchdowns. What's your goal here?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
It's bs when he says he doesn't care if it's Brock or Lance. He has the biggest hard on for a shanahan/Lance combo.

And we have have seen it. And it looks like my toilet after I've eaten Indian food.

Oh piss off with that comment. I got no problem if it's Brock. Nothing but rooting for the kid since he started playing. I wanted Fields from day 1, but understood the pick. I had no problem with developing and taking a couple steps backing to have a legit FQB for the next decade. YOU wanted to trot out avg Jimmy and watch him fail or get hurt over and over. THEN Pretend it was JG making all those plays and holding up Kyle for every W….it's the dumbest most ignorant thing in here to keep going at. You got so butthurt that they were moving off Jimmy that you were gonna hate Lance no matter what.

only one in this convo that's got a stupid narrative is you…it's been plastered all over this forum. Just constantly s**t takes one after another. I haven't read one logical football post from you regarding this. Nothing. I get dumber reading your posts. Mute button is probably in your future.

I'm not the one who keeps saying that wins isn't a qb stat, and then says Kyle needs a hall of fame qb to win a superbowl.

And I would say I was pretty spot on with this take

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/194858-who-one-guy-you-dont-want-49ers-drafting/search=Draft,Josecortez

Just don't blame me that the lance/shanny combo hasn't looked like the reid/mahommes combo you've expected. Maybe shanny should draft a guy who has a tad bit more experience.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:
I don't understand this take. Brock literally played like Joe Montana in his prime. The question isn't whether Purdy played at an elite level (his draft status being irrelevant), it's whether or not he can keep playing at that elite level.

He did not play like prime Montana. He did damn good for a 7th rd rookie that just got thrusted into a starting role.

He did better than "damn good for a 7th rd rookie". He was arguably the best QB in the league during his time playing. That makes his play elite. The numbers back that up. He was better than a slew of QB who are future HOFers. The story of where he was drafted doesn't need to be a qualification of how well he played. If you don't think he played elite, please provide insight, because he was simply sensational. Again, the only question that remains is whether it was a flash in the pan or it can be sustained.

Originally posted by Chance:
Maybe exercise patience then if, admittedly, we don't "even know what he is."

Nah he sucks in their eyes…in their brain they setup a scenario where he could almost have zero chance to be considered good.

"he's too raw to play, gotta sit and develop for a YR"
"we can win NOW. We can't develop a QB"
"he sucks he hasn't played football"
"he wasn't Mahomes in 5QRs of football, trash"
"Lol he's only got 400 career passing attempts. He will never be good"

its thoughts like these that drive me nuts..anyone with half a brain should have understood the process for this kid. Yes he's raw, and future reps were gonna be the only way he could legit improve. These folks wouldn't give him that. They've taken 100 passing attempts and turned them into some big sample size to determine who he is. It's dumb.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean tossing out #1 offense without talking about the defenses they played during that stretch is silly.

I could make an argument that the only real D they played was Dallas. TB was a shell of their past D. Seattle's D was nothing special. Raiders blow. Miami's D stunk. AZ's sucks especially in W18. DC is the only other legit D on that list.

Brock played who he played and did well. Not taking anything away from him. It was pretty special to see that from a 7th rd rookie. I don't see him as some elite level QB in the league for the next decade. Would love to be wrong about it…Lance does have the ability to do things he simply can't. Doesn't mean he will ever get there BUT no one will know until he actually gets to play legit football.

personally I don't care if it's Lance or Brock. I want an upper echelon QB here though. I don't want Jimmy G 2.0 level QB play all over again.

I cant believe you wrote this. What are Lances qualities that you are referring to? He is bigger and has a bigger arm. I can go on to list 10 different things brock does which trey isn't doing that create touchdowns. What's your goal here?

We've hardly seen what Lance has to offer because of a terribly unfortunate injury. He has enough qualities that he was universally considered a first round QB talent, that was also universally thought to need time to develop. So maybe we should withhold judgement until we see a larger body of work? Or we can continue to speculate based off a game played in a lake.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:
Maybe exercise patience then if, admittedly, we don't "even know what he is."

Nah he sucks in their eyes…in their brain they setup a scenario where he could almost have zero chance to be considered good.

"he's too raw to play, gotta sit and develop for a YR"
"we can win NOW. We can't develop a QB"
"he sucks he hasn't played football"
"he wasn't Mahomes in 5QRs of football, trash"
"Lol he's only got 400 career passing attempts. He will never be good"

its thoughts like these that drive me nuts..anyone with half a brain should have understood the process for this kid. Yes he's raw, and future reps were gonna be the only way he could legit improve. These folks wouldn't give him that. They've taken 100 passing attempts and turned them into some big sample size to determine who he is. It's dumb.

Agreed. It's bonkers. I've known literal children with better sense.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean tossing out #1 offense without talking about the defenses they played during that stretch is silly.

I could make an argument that the only real D they played was Dallas. TB was a shell of their past D. Seattle's D was nothing special. Raiders blow. Miami's D stunk. AZ's sucks especially in W18. DC is the only other legit D on that list.

Brock played who he played and did well. Not taking anything away from him. It was pretty special to see that from a 7th rd rookie. I don't see him as some elite level QB in the league for the next decade. Would love to be wrong about it…Lance does have the ability to do things he simply can't. Doesn't mean he will ever get there BUT no one will know until he actually gets to play legit football.

personally I don't care if it's Lance or Brock. I want an upper echelon QB here though. I don't want Jimmy G 2.0 level QB play all over again.

I cant believe you wrote this. What are Lances qualities that you are referring to? He is bigger and has a bigger arm. I can go on to list 10 different things brock does which trey isn't doing that create touchdowns. What's your goal here?

Easy to say the bolded with the uncertain elbow surgery recovery situation. Brock worked extremely hard with a professional consultant to improve his passing mechanics We saw those dividends pay off this year. Such a s**tty situation to be in. Considering the few replies I see here no doubt OP will say regardless of the surgery he just doesn't see it in Brock.

Originally posted by Chance:
He did better than "damn good for a 7th rd rookie". He was arguably the best QB in the league during his time playing. That makes his play elite. The numbers back that up. He was better than a slew of QB who are future HOFers. The story of where he was drafted doesn't need to be a qualification of how well he played. If you don't think he played elite, please provide insight, because he was simply sensational. Again, the only question that remains is whether it was a flash in the pan or it can be sustained.

I'll disagree that he was the best QB in the league during that time span. A lot of his stats were very close to Jimmy's this yr. I do think he's better and has shown that. I don't think it's a flash in the pan. He can play. At what level year after year? Not sure

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:

Maybe exercise patience then if, admittedly, we don't "even know what he is."

Nah he sucks in their eyes…in their brain they setup a scenario where he could almost have zero chance to be considered good.

"he's too raw to play, gotta sit and develop for a YR"
"we can win NOW. We can't develop a QB"
"he sucks he hasn't played football"
"he wasn't Mahomes in 5QRs of football, trash"
"Lol he's only got 400 career passing attempts. He will never be good"

its thoughts like these that drive me nuts..anyone with half a brain should have understood the process for this kid. Yes he's raw, and future reps were gonna be the only way he could legit improve. These folks wouldn't give him that. They've taken 100 passing attempts and turned them into some big sample size to determine who he is. It's dumb.

Agreed. It's bonkers. I've known literal children with better sense.

My problem (and this is assuming Purdy continues to play well and develop) is that the gap is too big. This is why I've been saying it's not going to workout here. It's not to say he won't get there, but he won't get the chance to make up the ground with the emergence of Purdy. I think he needs too many reps to make that massive leap and keep Brock off the field

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean tossing out #1 offense without talking about the defenses they played during that stretch is silly.

I could make an argument that the only real D they played was Dallas. TB was a shell of their past D. Seattle's D was nothing special. Raiders blow. Miami's D stunk. AZ's sucks especially in W18. DC is the only other legit D on that list.

Brock played who he played and did well. Not taking anything away from him. It was pretty special to see that from a 7th rd rookie. I don't see him as some elite level QB in the league for the next decade. Would love to be wrong about it…Lance does have the ability to do things he simply can't. Doesn't mean he will ever get there BUT no one will know until he actually gets to play legit football.

personally I don't care if it's Lance or Brock. I want an upper echelon QB here though. I don't want Jimmy G 2.0 level QB play all over again.

I cant believe you wrote this. What are Lances qualities that you are referring to? He is bigger and has a bigger arm. I can go on to list 10 different things brock does which trey isn't doing that create touchdowns. What's your goal here?

Easy to say the bolded with the uncertain elbow surgery recovery situation. Brock worked extremely hard with a professional consultant to improve his passing mechanics We saw those dividends pay off this year. Such a s**tty situation to be in. Considering the few replies I see here no doubt OP will say regardless of the surgery he just doesn't see it in Brock.

Ny85 prides himself on stat data. Yet he doesn't see brock at elite level although he was THE NUMBER 1 RATED QB IN THE NFL IN THE 11 GAMES HE PLAYED.

lol.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by krizay:
That's what cracks me up. He's never going to make those reps up. They're gone. We're going to have to pay him before we even know what he is.

Maybe exercise patience then if, admittedly, we don't "even know what he is."

I hear what you're saying, but at this point his lack of attempts is very much part of the problem. While other QBs have thrown 800-1,600 passes in the last 4 years (according to around 400 attempts a season and 2-4 starting years) and had that many opportunities for growth, Trey Lance has has nowhere near that and has already been in the league for 2 years. You can't get better if you're not throwing and playing. It's a problem that lance has lost so much development time over the last 3 years. Given the sunk cost, the 49ers are kind of stuck with him. Reminds me of the EJ Manuel pick of the Bills a few years back. A pure hype train

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He did not play like prime Montana. He did damn good for a 7th rd rookie that just got thrusted into a starting role.

People need to stop comparing Brock to Joe. He played fine and won games. No need to compare him to one of the greatest players in history.