Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I'm not the one who keeps saying that wins isn't a qb stat, and then says Kyle needs a hall of fame qb to win a superbowl.

And I would say I was pretty spot on with this take

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/194858-who-one-guy-you-dont-want-49ers-drafting/search=Draft,Josecortez

Just don't blame me that the lance/shanny combo hasn't looked like the reid/mahommes combo you've expected. Maybe shanny should draft a guy who has a tad bit more experience.

You can win a ton of games with an avg QB and a great HC/roster. You've seen it now for years here. You're the one in here crying every day about not winning a bunch of Super Bowls. WELL you need two things for that a great HC and elite level QB. We have a great HC and the other is a question mark.

You're the one that was expecting the Mahomes/Reid s**t… That was the ONlY way you would have taken back the numerous b******t takes. You setup a scenario where there was almost no way you would be "wrong." If we don't win a f**k ton of SBs and Lance isn't a MVP then you were gonna b***h.

Meanwhile you got some weird hard on for Jimmy and his overall avg QB play… they didn't win a ton of Super Bowls all the same, yet no Jimmy slander from you?

maybe you needed learn to have some patience? You were NEVER gonna with Lance, so it was a cry fest all the time…that's a you problem and a good portion of the people in here can't stand it.

As a Seahawk fan, the Trey Lance situation has unfortunately become inconsequential as your coach is damn good with whomever is playing quarterback. It isn't even funny anymore. Making 3 of the past 4 NFCCG nullifies it in a way and let's be honest, Brock Purdy is a stud!!!

Originally posted by krizay:
You do realize that the same Jalen Hurts you're praising for the SB performance went 15-25 155 yards 2 TDs. 9 carries 27 yards versus that same Dallas defense

And they beat them by two scores whereas we beat them by one. Granted we could have added one more right at the end but we played it conservatively to close out the game although Eli Mitchell seemed to have not gotten the memo

Let me also give you that Hurts was gifted three INT by Cooper Rush whereas Brock was gifted only two by DAL

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The difference between Brock and Jimmy is the plan for the last year or 2 hasn't been to move on from Brock. Brock is in the future plans, he's set the bar for QB play on this team, and that includes Jimmy. It's up to Trey to show he can play at that level, otherwise it's still Brock's job when he's healthy

Jimmy got to the Super Bowl and Brock didn't. Jimmy has been to the NFCCG twice and he had identical numbers to Brock this year before going down BUT he didn't win it all and yes I thought Brock played better than Jimmy despite the stats being identical for various reasons but we kept being told by pundits that we'd lose because of inferior QB play and they were wrong in at least one of our two games. I don't ever want the consensus lesser QB going into anymore playoff games. Whether that guy be Trey or Brock makes me no difference and this is why I've said to have ZERO QB competition and for Brock to be the anointed starter this off-season he had to win it all because the name of the game for us ain't to be in it but to win it! We have been down that road before in 2011 2012 2013 2019 2021 and 2022

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
I cant believe you wrote this. What are Lances qualities that you are referring to? He is bigger and has a bigger arm. I can go on to list 10 different things brock does which trey isn't doing that create touchdowns. What's your goal here?

My goal? I think Lance has a higher upside. How much better can Brock get? He's played a ton of football. That's great in the short term…how much more can he improve there? Hopefully a lot. I do like him…but it's a reason why NFL teams like to draft young talent with untapped potential. Sometimes it's works sometimes it doesn't.

as far as Lance, he's a ball of clay. He's got the intangibles and work ethics. I don't think the Lance detesters can argue that. Yes he is more athletic, yes his arm talent is much greater. Will it ever get there? Who knows. It sure as s**t won't if he doesn't get to play.

IMO I like our QB situation. we will see how it all shakes out

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Everyone here knows how much of a Jimmy G supporter I am, but no doubt Borck Purdy played without a doubt much better than Jimmy G has. Regardless of what defense Purdy did play, the kid was dropping a minimum of 30 points on that team. I can't say I ever seen any 49ers QB in the last 24 years do that.

The numbers were identical but I've said plenty of times that by the expanded numbers and just the eye test and the scoreboard I felt we were noticeably better with Purdy but give DAL defense credit because they forced us to be very conservative with Brock and the offense at home in the playoffs and Brock came through in a nail biter largely won by our number one defense. We won a lot with our defense with Jimmy under center until we met a defense that could break that defense over four quarters.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
My problem (and this is assuming Purdy continues to play well and develop) is that the gap is too big. This is why I've been saying it's not going to workout here. It's not to say he won't get there, but he won't get the chance to make up the ground with the emergence of Purdy. I think he needs too many reps to make that massive leap and keep Brock off the field

So what happens if Brock has two s**t games in a row? What happens if some of those shoulda been picks actually become INTs next yr? Does that magically change the scenario or does Brock get to play through those ups and downs that Lance has had no chance at?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He did not play like prime Montana. He did damn good for a 7th rd rookie that just got thrusted into a starting role.

Prime Montana was dropping 55 points on the Broncos in the Super Bowl. Now let's not get too far ahead of ourselves now!

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
My problem (and this is assuming Purdy continues to play well and develop) is that the gap is too big. This is why I've been saying it's not going to workout here. It's not to say he won't get there, but he won't get the chance to make up the ground with the emergence of Purdy. I think he needs too many reps to make that massive leap and keep Brock off the field

The injury is keeping Brock off the field so Trey is gonna get all the reps he needs this offseason to start the season while Brock is kept off the field until he's ready to surpass Trey provided either Trey sucks or gets re injured himself

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

My problem (and this is assuming Purdy continues to play well and develop) is that the gap is too big. This is why I've been saying it's not going to workout here. It's not to say he won't get there, but he won't get the chance to make up the ground with the emergence of Purdy. I think he needs too many reps to make that massive leap and keep Brock off the field

So what happens if Brock has two s**t games in a row? What happens if some of those shoulda been picks actually become INTs next yr? Does that magically change the scenario or does Brock get to play through those ups and downs that Lance has had no chance at?

I don't think 2 bad games is enough to bench him after what he's shown for 11 games, but he can certainly play himself out of the position. We aren't there yet though. I'm speaking on where we are. And that is Purdy is QB1 until Trey shows otherwise

Originally posted by ImRicky:
I hear what you're saying, but at this point his lack of attempts is very much part of the problem. While other QBs have thrown 800-1,600 passes in the last 4 years (according to around 400 attempts a season and 2-4 starting years) and had that many opportunities for growth, Trey Lance has has nowhere near that and has already been in the league for 2 years. You can't get better if you're not throwing and playing. It's a problem that lance has lost so much development time over the last 3 years. Given the sunk cost, the 49ers are kind of stuck with him. Reminds me of the EJ Manuel pick of the Bills a few years back. A pure hype train

Trey is still 22 right? I'd say he had plenty of time to develop here but he will have Brock pushing him and vice versa and that's a good problem for us to have

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

My problem (and this is assuming Purdy continues to play well and develop) is that the gap is too big. This is why I've been saying it's not going to workout here. It's not to say he won't get there, but he won't get the chance to make up the ground with the emergence of Purdy. I think he needs too many reps to make that massive leap and keep Brock off the field

The injury is keeping Brock off the field so Trey is gonna get all the reps he needs this offseason to start the season while Brock is kept off the field until he's ready to surpass Trey provided either Trey sucks or gets re injured himself

Trey had the offseason last year and Brock was better. Brock has 11 games and playoff experience under his belt, an offseason program isn't going to catapult Trey over Purdy lol. Trey has a lot to prove before Purdy stays on the bench

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He did not play like prime Montana. He did damn good for a 7th rd rookie that just got thrusted into a starting role.

Prime Montana was dropping 55 points on the Broncos in the Super Bowl. Now let's not get too far ahead of ourselves now!

I know it sounds like hyperbole, but the point is that Brock has only put elite tape out there. This offense was a juggernaut under his QB play. I have a feeling there will be growing pains, but let's not mince words elite play is elite play. Please prove otherwise.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So what happens if Brock has two s**t games in a row? What happens if some of those shoulda been picks actually become INTs next yr? Does that magically change the scenario or does Brock get to play through those ups and downs that Lance has had no chance at?

At this point Brock won't start the season if Trey takes off this offseason because Brock doesn't get an off-season to work and prep. Trey will start the season and Brock won't see the field unless Trey ain't up to snuff or gets injured. If this happens, then we know we have Brock and we know what he can do

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He did not play like prime Montana. He did damn good for a 7th rd rookie that just got thrusted into a starting role.

People need to stop comparing Brock to Joe. He played fine and won games. No need to compare him to one of the greatest players in history.

I'm not saying he will sustain that level of play, but his only tape is elite HOF level QB play. The difference between Brock and HOF QBs is being able to sustain that level of play for many seasons, not just a handful of games. But the stats don't lie, he was sensational.