Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Chance:
I know it sounds like hyperbole, but the point is that Brock has only put elite tape out there. This offense was a juggernaut under his QB play. I have a feeling there will be growing pains, but let's not mince words elite play is elite play. Please prove otherwise.

Purdy won battles Montana won wars and got the chip and had to beat Lawrence Taylor along the way. Brock played elite in my opinion but I kept hearing we had inferior QB play to our playoff opponents. We kept hearing Brock was a product of our system and the talent around him. I like Brock but we finished where we did with Jimmy who I also liked but I understand why we moved on from him

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Trey had the offseason last year and Brock was better. Brock has 11 games and playoff experience under his belt, an offseason program isn't going to catapult Trey over Purdy lol. Trey has a lot to prove before Purdy stays on the bench

You watch and see who's under center week one. One guy has yet to have surgery while the other is gonna be taking reps all off-season. We ain't gonna play Brock with no off-season and having to get into game shape. This is not a coherent take bro

Now if you're telling me Brock still has a shot to take it back I'll be first to agree with you there barring poor play from Trey and or an injury. We won't hesitate to roll Brock out there and be fully confident thereafter

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I don't think 2 bad games is enough to bench him after what he's shown for 11 games, but he can certainly play himself out of the position. We aren't there yet though. I'm speaking on where we are. And that is Purdy is QB1 until Trey shows otherwise

Were you getting 11 games? He started in 5 played in 6 plus had two playoff games. Not sure how you can count the eagles playoff game as anything?

we're talking about small sample sizes here. IMO anything is on the table.

Originally posted by Chance:
I'm not saying he will sustain that level of play, but his only tape is elite HOF level QB play. The difference between Brock and HOF QBs is being able to sustain that level of play for many seasons, not just a handful of games. But the stats don't lie, he was sensational.

I agree near fully with this statement

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:
He did better than "damn good for a 7th rd rookie". He was arguably the best QB in the league during his time playing. That makes his play elite. The numbers back that up. He was better than a slew of QB who are future HOFers. The story of where he was drafted doesn't need to be a qualification of how well he played. If you don't think he played elite, please provide insight, because he was simply sensational. Again, the only question that remains is whether it was a flash in the pan or it can be sustained.

I'll disagree that he was the best QB in the league during that time span. A lot of his stats were very close to Jimmy's this yr. I do think he's better and has shown that. I don't think it's a flash in the pan. He can play. At what level year after year? Not sure

I'm not like most here. I like Jimmy. I like Brock. And I like Lance. Jimmy is a good QB. His quick release and mid game is upper-echelon. This offense can roll for stretches under his play. But Jimmy is not good under pressure. His decision making is inconsistent. He does not sense pressure well. He cannot make things happen when plays break down. He's injury prone. And his deep game leaves a lot to be desired. But he's really good at what he's good at which is delivering quick strikes over the middle and moving this offense down the field.

All that said, anyone with two eyeballs could plainly see the difference when Brock came in. Not only was he able to do what Jimmy did well, but he also showed a level of pocket awareness, agility, and creative play-making that separate good QBs like Jimmy from great QBs like Russell Wilson, Mahomes, etc. For example, that throw he made to Aiyuk in the back of the end zone; the one Aiyuk dropped, was the type of play that we only see elite QBs make. Brock hand a handful of plays like that. He was just so incredible under pressure, it was night and day from Jimmy.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Chance:
I know it sounds like hyperbole, but the point is that Brock has only put elite tape out there. This offense was a juggernaut under his QB play. I have a feeling there will be growing pains, but let's not mince words elite play is elite play. Please prove otherwise.

Purdy won battles Montana won wars and got the chip and had to beat Lawrence Taylor along the way. Brock played elite in my opinion but I kept hearing we had inferior QB play to our playoff opponents. We kept hearing Brock was a product of our system and the talent around him. I like Brock but we finished where we did with Jimmy who I also liked but I understand why we moved on from him

And elite tape is an exaggeration. We saw plenty of drop INTs, missed reads, floating balls etc. which is totally fine. He's a rookie s**t happens.

overall he played well beyond what anyone expected. Saying he was the best QB in the league is simply not true.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Chance:
I'm not saying he will sustain that level of play, but his only tape is elite HOF level QB play. The difference between Brock and HOF QBs is being able to sustain that level of play for many seasons, not just a handful of games. But the stats don't lie, he was sensational.

I agree near fully with this statement

I don't think he was playing at a HOF level.

Originally posted by Chance:
I'm not like most here. I like Jimmy. I like Brock. And I like Lance. Jimmy is a good QB. His quick release and mid game is upper-echelon. This offense can roll for stretches under his play. But Jimmy is not good under pressure. His decision making is inconsistent. He does not sense pressure well. He cannot make things happen when plays break down. He's injury prone. And his deep game leaves a lot to be desired. But he's really good at what he's good at which is delivering quick strikes over the middle and moving this offense down the field.

All that said, anyone with two eyeballs could plainly see the difference when Brock came in. Not only was he able to do what Jimmy did well, but he also showed a level of pocket awareness, agility, and creative play-making that separate good QBs like Jimmy from great QBs like Russell Wilson, Mahomes, etc. For example, that throw he made to Aiyuk in the back of the end zone; the one Aiyuk dropped, was the type of play that we only see elite QBs make. Brock hand a handful of plays like that. He was just so incredible under pressure, it was night and day from Jimmy.

I think every single QB that's in the NFL is a good QB given where they are. I think Jimmy is a startable QB in the NFL, that's nothing to sneeze at. Yes the limitations are there. It's some things that at this point in his career I don't think he's gonna improve upon a ton.

for sure Brock looked better. He did things that we've been waiting to see from JG. The comment about tthe stats are just a piece of it. Overall very similar. I don't think Brock was the best QB in the league when he played.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Chance:
I know it sounds like hyperbole, but the point is that Brock has only put elite tape out there. This offense was a juggernaut under his QB play. I have a feeling there will be growing pains, but let's not mince words elite play is elite play. Please prove otherwise.

Purdy won battles Montana won wars and got the chip and had to beat Lawrence Taylor along the way. Brock played elite in my opinion but I kept hearing we had inferior QB play to our playoff opponents. We kept hearing Brock was a product of our system and the talent around him. I like Brock but we finished where we did with Jimmy who I also liked but I understand why we moved on from him

And elite tape is an exaggeration. We saw plenty of drop INTs, missed reads, floating balls etc. which is totally fine. He's a rookie s**t happens.

overall he played well beyond what anyone expected. Saying he was the best QB in the league is simply not true.

All elite QBs have those balls, and you know it. But you don't lead the league in QB rating by just lucking out. The tape was elite. The numbers back that up. Like I said, he was arguably the best QB while he played.

Originally posted by Jcool:
I don't think he was playing at a HOF level.

Right? People love to exaggerate one way or the other.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Chance:
I'm not saying he will sustain that level of play, but his only tape is elite HOF level QB play. The difference between Brock and HOF QBs is being able to sustain that level of play for many seasons, not just a handful of games. But the stats don't lie, he was sensational.

I agree near fully with this statement

I don't think he was playing at a HOF level.

If you build a long career at 111 passer rating, you will be a first ballot HOFer.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jcool:
I don't think he was playing at a HOF level.

Right? People love to exaggerate one way or the other.

Mahomes has a career passer rating 6 points below Brock's career passer rating. The difference, and an important one, is that Mahomes has sustained that level of play. Why are we pretending that 111 passser rating isn't HOF level play?

Originally posted by Chance:
All elite QBs have those balls, and you know it. But you don't lead the league in QB rating by just lucking out. The tape was elite. The numbers back that up. Like I said, he was arguably the best QB while he played.

This was all elite?


now not all these throws are just on him, but some Niners fans have full on drank the kool-aid and all I'm saying is there's work to be done there. IMO the more he played he seemed to hold onto the ball a little longer. He's gotta work on that enteral clock and throw with more anticipation.

I want to also make this totally clear. I like Brock it was awesome to see the offense go with him. It wasn't all elite like you said though. I'm just keeping it real

Originally posted by Jcool:
I don't think he was playing at a HOF level.

Well perhaps I should say he was getting HOF level results over his stretch of games but HOF is HOF and that Brock is not at this point in time

Originally posted by Chance:
Mahomes has a career passer rating 6 points below Brock's career passer rating. The difference, and an important one, is that Mahomes has sustained that level of play. Why are we pretending that 111 passser rating isn't HOF level play?

Lol wait you're comparing Mahomes over his whole career vs Bock's 5 starts? Come on dude. Andy Dalton had a 107 passer rating one full year at Cinci. HOFer