Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
No idea what ny85 is doing or why.
I'm saying he wasn't prime Montana or playing at a HOF level. I'm saying let's calm the f**k down. I've done nothing but root for and want to see Brock play well since he stepped on the field. I don't have to go all homer and call him something he wasn't and pretend there wasn't some issues.
Before you call me a hater or whatever. All I'm doing is being objective and keeping it real. I thought he did some great things and ran the offense pretty darn well. That doesn't make you prime Montana. There is no reason to go there right now…it's dumb.
Dont forget when joe took over from deberg he had 18 months of tutelage from THE Bill Walsh. Brock coming into Shannys game manager factory.
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
You wish. But I just saw the Super Bowl and we could use a guy like Trey to win those games
Outside of arm strength, I'd say Purdy is more similar to Mahomes than Trey is
Uh no.
Uh ya
Okay. Prove it.
Game awareness (when to get down, throw it away, etc), accuracy, playmaking, pocket awareness, processing (getting through his progressions), release, poise.
Purdy is ahead of Trey in all of these categories and I probably missed some
You wish. But I just saw the Super Bowl and we could use a guy like Trey to win those games
Outside of arm strength, I'd say Purdy is more similar to Mahomes than Trey is
Uh no.
Uh ya
Okay. Prove it.
Game awareness (when to get down, throw it away, etc), accuracy, playmaking, pocket awareness, processing (getting through his progressions), release, poise.
Purdy is ahead of Trey in all of these categories and I probably missed some
That is not proof that is your opinion.
My opinion is based on the film. If you can't see it you're blind
Originally posted by Chance:
Here you are misrepresenting my arguments again.
In the limited time Brock played, his play was on par with HOF quality QB play. That's evident by a 111 passer rating, 4:1 TD-INT ratio, QBR, efficiency stats, etxmc. Extrapolate his level of play over an entire career and he'd be among the best QBs is ever. Obviously, and I shouldn't have to say this, it's an incredibly small sample size and drawing any definitive conclusions is absurd. I have done no such thing. I have only claimed that his NFL tape so far is elite, albeit a very limited look.
i never said he was the best QB in the league. You're building a straw man instead of arguing the actual points. It's bad faith and shows an inability to be reasonable, despite your claims of objectiveness. Again, while Brock was under center, he was among the best performing QBs in the league. The stats back that up. The eye test backs that up. That doesn't mean he's the best QB in the league. He'll need to sustain that level of play for multiple seasons before that's even an argument worth having.
Yes you did you said he was the best QB in the league when he was playing. You said he was playing at a prime Montana level…and I disagree.
There's no reason to toss out stuff like that. That's like saying Mostert was Emmit Smith if you look at what he did vs the packers in the playoffs.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Brock out played both Geno and Dak. I haven't heard otherwise, until now lol
didnt get a chance vs Eagles to out play Hurts.
All I've seen in the media is praise for what Brock Purdy did last season. The only detractors I've come across are in here. Saying what he did last season didn't mean jack s**t because he didn't light up the playoffs and win the SB lol
They ranked playoff QB on espn coming in and had Brock in the bottom three
I swear it takes only a wee bit of research to see what I've been saying
I disagree with what they were saying all over SOME talk shows but it was consistent and annoying because I knew those teams weren't better than ours and that Brock was no scrub!
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
You wish. But I just saw the Super Bowl and we could use a guy like Trey to win those games
Outside of arm strength, I'd say Purdy is more similar to Mahomes than Trey is
Uh no.
Uh ya
Okay. Prove it.
Game awareness (when to get down, throw it away, etc), accuracy, playmaking, pocket awareness, processing (getting through his progressions), release, poise.
Purdy is ahead of Trey in all of these categories and I probably missed some
That is not proof that is your opinion.
My opinion is based on the film. If you can't see it you're blind
So did I and I saw nothing Mahomes in anything he did. He was what we all wanted but never got consistently enough from Jimmy.
Originally posted by Chance:
Here you are misrepresenting my arguments again.
In the limited time Brock played, his play was on par with HOF quality QB play. That's evident by a 111 passer rating, 4:1 TD-INT ratio, QBR, efficiency stats, etxmc. Extrapolate his level of play over an entire career and he'd be among the best QBs is ever. Obviously, and I shouldn't have to say this, it's an incredibly small sample size and drawing any definitive conclusions is absurd. I have done no such thing. I have only claimed that his NFL tape so far is elite, albeit a very limited look.
i never said he was the best QB in the league. You're building a straw man instead of arguing the actual points. It's bad faith and shows an inability to be reasonable, despite your claims of objectiveness. Again, while Brock was under center, he was among the best performing QBs in the league. The stats back that up. The eye test backs that up. That doesn't mean he's the best QB in the league. He'll need to sustain that level of play for multiple seasons before that's even an argument worth having.
Yes you did you said he was the best QB in the league when he was playing. You said he was playing at a prime Montana level…and I disagree.
There's no reason to toss out stuff like that. That's like saying Mostert was Emmit Smith if you look at what he did vs the packers in the playoffs.
I said he was among the best and was arguably the best during that timespan based on a number of metrics, including leading the league in QB rating. And I believe playing at a 111 level of play is on par with HOF level of play.
The whole argument began when you had to qualify that Brock played great for a 7th round rookie. Implying that his quality of play was conditional upon his draft status. That's honestly a pretty sly dig at a dude who played at an elite level based on every meaningful QB metric. So let's stop acting like your position is not without some absurd takes.
Originally posted by Jcool:
So did I and I saw nothing Mahomes in anything he did. He was what we all wanted but never got consistently enough from Jimmy.
Yes. He was Jimmy if he could not make mistakes. I would add that Brock did seem to look deep more than Jimmy and Brock was more elusive but he certainly did not appear to be a game breaker that could bend a defenses will and make them second guess themselves. He seemed to be a great ball distributor in the vein of a John Stockton point guard.
That is actually awesome if that play can be sustained but Stockton never beat MJ or won a chip. That's what we want to do is win the chip and we gotta go thru at least Mahomes consistently to do that. A guy we foolishly passed on awaiting Kirk Cousins who would be considered a Brock prototype minus the mobility.
Kyle saw that Cousins ain't beating Mahomes first hand so we went and got Trey
Just a gut feeling about statistical probabilities, but the next 49ers QB to lead the team to a Super Bowl victory is most likely not even on the roster.
Originally posted by Jcool:
So did I and I saw nothing Mahomes in anything he did. He was what we all wanted but never got consistently enough from Jimmy.
Yes. He was Jimmy if he could not make mistakes. I would add that Brock did seem to look deep more than Jimmy and Brock was more elusive but he certainly did not appear to be a game breaker that could bend a defenses will and make them second guess themselves. He seemed to be a great ball distributor in the vein of a John Stockton point guard.
That is actually awesome if that play can be sustained but Stockton never beat MJ or won a chip. That's what we want to do is win the chip and we gotta go thru at least Mahomes consistently to do that. A guy we foolishly passed on awaiting Kirk Cousins who would be considered a Brock prototype minus the mobility.
Kyle saw that Cousins ain't beating Mahomes first hand so we went and got Trey
I know we're getting a bit in the weeds here, but I think Brock is closer to Mahomes from a physicality standpoint insofar as it comes to maneuverability. Trey is actually quite a bit more physically gifted if you're looking at combine numbers. Mahomes has really good agility and body control, but he isn't very fast. I think Brock is similar in that regard. Obviously Mahomes is a lot bigger, more similar to Trey in size and has a cannon for an arm. If Trey can develop well, he could be more like Josh Allen physically, which I think is a slight step up from Mahomes. Brock meanwhile can be one of those sneaky athletic guys who can be a pain to corral and uses his agility to make plays where guys like Garoppolo struggle to keep plays alive.
Originally posted by Chance:
I said he was among the best and was arguably the best during that timespan based on a number of metrics, including leading the league in QB rating. And I believe playing at a 111 level of play is on par with HOF level of play.
The whole argument began when you had to qualify that Brock played great for a 7th round rookie. Implying that his quality of play was conditional upon his draft status. That's honestly a pretty sly dig at a dude who played at an elite level based on every meaningful QB metric. So let's stop acting like your position is not without some absurd takes.
You said he was the best QB in the league when he played. You called him prime Montana. That's how this all started.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
You said he was the best QB in the league when he played. You called him prime Montana. That's how this all started.
His play was on par with prime Montana. I stand by that. 111 qb rating is evidence. Hope he can continue elite level of play, but there's a long way to go before he's prime Montana or the best QB in the league. Just so we're clear.
Originally posted by Jcool:
So did I and I saw nothing Mahomes in anything he did. He was what we all wanted but never got consistently enough from Jimmy.
Until Trey puts anything like this on film, I will keep my opinion.
He's had plenty like that. The one against Seattle he ran for like 25 yards after juking away from 2 free rushers.
