Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Eh, that isn't what I said. That discussion was because you brought up both being raw, and that therefore Trey could be as good, and I pointed out Trey didn't have what BROCK PURDY showed (and what Mahomes had): that instant reaction after seeing the open guy. Trey showed a lot of looking and looking and looking at a wide open guy, waiting and waiting and waiting, and then throwing it (that's how it felt when I watched him. It was really just like an extra half-second to one second, but that's still an eternity). He could read the defense. He was just slower than molasses in January of reacting to the the open guy, like he was playing scared.

But if you recall I also argued that he had the character to improve, and the blank slate that would mean fewer bad habits to break.

I never said you did say that. I don't even remember our discussion...it was more of a general statement.

I never said Lance was Mahomes…outside of the fact that they both sat for a year. I was never expecting him to toss 50tds and 5k yards like some did. I knew there was gonna be bumps and was totally fine going though all that to get to the other side.

I disagree that Brock showed that instant reaction after seeing a guy open. I don't think he throws with a ton of anticipation. He's got to get better there. When you see a lot of his poor throws it's because he's late. It's not all the time, just needs more reps playing in the NFL.

I wouldn't say Mahomes had that instant reaction either early in his career. He just had such an amazing arm that any lack of anticipation was negated with arm talent. Kap was similar, he usually had to wait until someone got open then laser beamed it in there. Mahomes has improved there for sure over the years. That comes with playing more.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Jcool:
So did I and I saw nothing Mahomes in anything he did. He was what we all wanted but never got consistently enough from Jimmy.

Until Trey puts anything like this on film, I will keep my opinion.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Jcool:
So did I and I saw nothing Mahomes in anything he did. He was what we all wanted but never got consistently enough from Jimmy.

Yes. He was Jimmy if he could not make mistakes. I would add that Brock did seem to look deep more than Jimmy and Brock was more elusive but he certainly did not appear to be a game breaker that could bend a defenses will and make them second guess themselves. He seemed to be a great ball distributor in the vein of a John Stockton point guard.

That is actually awesome if that play can be sustained but Stockton never beat MJ or won a chip. That's what we want to do is win the chip and we gotta go thru at least Mahomes consistently to do that. A guy we foolishly passed on awaiting Kirk Cousins who would be considered a Brock prototype minus the mobility.

Kyle saw that Cousins ain't beating Mahomes first hand so we went and got Trey

I know we're getting a bit in the weeds here, but I think Brock is closer to Mahomes from a physicality standpoint insofar as it comes to maneuverability. Trey is actually quite a bit more physically gifted if you're looking at combine numbers. Mahomes has really good agility and body control, but he isn't very fast. I think Brock is similar in that regard. Obviously Mahomes is a lot bigger, more similar to Trey in size and has a cannon for an arm. If Trey can develop well, he could be more like Josh Allen physically, which I think is a slight step up from Mahomes. Brock meanwhile can be one of those sneaky athletic guys who can be a pain to corral and uses his agility to make plays where guys like Garoppolo struggle to keep plays alive.

I think this play here is very Mahomes-esque…

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Jcool:
So did I and I saw nothing Mahomes in anything he did. He was what we all wanted but never got consistently enough from Jimmy.

Yes. He was Jimmy if he could not make mistakes. I would add that Brock did seem to look deep more than Jimmy and Brock was more elusive but he certainly did not appear to be a game breaker that could bend a defenses will and make them second guess themselves. He seemed to be a great ball distributor in the vein of a John Stockton point guard.

That is actually awesome if that play can be sustained but Stockton never beat MJ or won a chip. That's what we want to do is win the chip and we gotta go thru at least Mahomes consistently to do that. A guy we foolishly passed on awaiting Kirk Cousins who would be considered a Brock prototype minus the mobility.

Kyle saw that Cousins ain't beating Mahomes first hand so we went and got Trey

I know we're getting a bit in the weeds here, but I think Brock is closer to Mahomes from a physicality standpoint insofar as it comes to maneuverability. Trey is actually quite a bit more physically gifted if you're looking at combine numbers. Mahomes has really good agility and body control, but he isn't very fast. I think Brock is similar in that regard. Obviously Mahomes is a lot bigger, more similar to Trey in size and has a cannon for an arm. If Trey can develop well, he could be more like Josh Allen physically, which I think is a slight step up from Mahomes. Brock meanwhile can be one of those sneaky athletic guys who can be a pain to corral and uses his agility to make plays where guys like Garoppolo struggle to keep plays alive.

I think this play here is very Mahomes-esque…

I see a lot of Mahomes in him, without the terrifying arm, or the thickness. And he's not quite as much of a running threat.

Originally posted by Jcool:

So not Mahomes.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Jcool:
So not Mahomes.

Compared to Trey? Very Mahomes

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Jcool:
So did I and I saw nothing Mahomes in anything he did. He was what we all wanted but never got consistently enough from Jimmy.

Yes. He was Jimmy if he could not make mistakes. I would add that Brock did seem to look deep more than Jimmy and Brock was more elusive but he certainly did not appear to be a game breaker that could bend a defenses will and make them second guess themselves. He seemed to be a great ball distributor in the vein of a John Stockton point guard.

That is actually awesome if that play can be sustained but Stockton never beat MJ or won a chip. That's what we want to do is win the chip and we gotta go thru at least Mahomes consistently to do that. A guy we foolishly passed on awaiting Kirk Cousins who would be considered a Brock prototype minus the mobility.

Kyle saw that Cousins ain't beating Mahomes first hand so we went and got Trey

I know we're getting a bit in the weeds here, but I think Brock is closer to Mahomes from a physicality standpoint insofar as it comes to maneuverability. Trey is actually quite a bit more physically gifted if you're looking at combine numbers. Mahomes has really good agility and body control, but he isn't very fast. I think Brock is similar in that regard. Obviously Mahomes is a lot bigger, more similar to Trey in size and has a cannon for an arm. If Trey can develop well, he could be more like Josh Allen physically, which I think is a slight step up from Mahomes. Brock meanwhile can be one of those sneaky athletic guys who can be a pain to corral and uses his agility to make plays where guys like Garoppolo struggle to keep plays alive.

I think this play here is very Mahomes-esque…

I see a lot of Mahomes in him, without the terrifying arm, or the thickness. And he's not quite as much of a running threat.

So not Mahomes.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

I mean this one is fairly similar:


And then in another of the game he had a rollout left and threw to the second level guy while back peddling.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I mean this one is fairly similar:


And then in another of the game he had a rollout left and threw to the second level guy while back peddling.

I know which play you're talking about, and the above play is nice also, I just think it shows up often with Purdy. The arm angles, agility in the pocket, throwing on the run, he just beats Trey everywhere but size and arm strength

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Jcool:

So not Mahomes.

Compared to Trey? Very Mahomes

Okay you are just trolling now. Good luck with that.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

So then I'm assuming your opinion will then change since,

Until Trey puts anything like this on film, I will keep my opinion.

lol

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Jcool:
So did I and I saw nothing Mahomes in anything he did. He was what we all wanted but never got consistently enough from Jimmy.

Until Trey puts anything like this on film, I will keep my opinion.

He's had plenty like that. The one against Seattle he ran for like 25 yards after juking away from 2 free rushers.

And he would have ran on that play too

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
So then I'm assuming your opinion will then change since,

Until Trey puts anything like this on film, I will keep my opinion.

lol

Na I'll still keep my opinion

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Don't Any of you guys feel just a bit arrogant thinking you already know everything about this kids career before he's even played it? If you already know everything about the future, how do you ever have conversations with anyone without always arguing? Guess you can't.