Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
Regardless of who you want, with Purdys injury this team is Treys job to lose.

With BP potentially out 2023, we will add a guy who is a real guy. I liked Suds. But it will be a guy > Suds. They will then get em on the field at camp and see what is what.

TL has to be putting in the work now, to outclass this player to be named later. TL is woefully behind schedule thanks to missed 2020 and 2022.

You think the team will sign a #3 that will compete for the #1? Absolutely zero chance of that happening. Maybe if Lance is injured again and Purdy's recovery takes longer the #3 will see the field but it's going to likely be around Josh Johnson talent level, so let's just hope that doesn't happen again.

It won't be around Josh Johnson level not even close. He was a QB4. Like you mention, Purdy's recovery could run long and TL has been injured 2 of 2 seasons.

JL and KS know this. You think they will put themselves in a spot where the season rides on Josh Johnson again, or someone similar? No way in bleep.

I don't think any of the names being tossed around will
A - Be willing to take the #3 spot
B - Sign for what the team is willing to pay. Brissett has even been floated and I see him getting a starting gig next year. Emergency QBs aren't that good, man.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Trust me they will be with TL every single day all summer and they will know who he is
we won't as fans we will be guessing from 'camp reports'
but KS you don't think he's gonna have any clue what he's got after seeing TL this summer?

he will

huh? What you said had nothing to do with what I said lol.

You said this: "You still have to see what Lance is and can be"

KS will see everyday up close all summer

you can be the biggest TL backer on the planet and still see the obvious need for a real other QB. here is how:

is BP at risk of missing 2023? ---> yes there is some chance
is TL an injury risk after year 1 and year 2 injuries ---> yes
so are we at risk of being down both guys again? --> yup and they know it

There will be urgency in Lance to perform well and outside another freak injury he will succeed IMO. Kyle needs to be smart and stop designing stupid run options or QB power/draws so frequently. Perhaps this injury can change the playcalls going forward as well as Lance learning the importance of sliding and getting the f**k out of bounds (no need to show your toughness as a QB on runs).

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
There will be urgency in Lance to perform well and outside another freak injury he will succeed IMO. Kyle needs to be smart and stop designing stupid run options or QB power/draws so frequently. Perhaps this injury can change the playcalls going forward as well as Lance learning the importance of sliding and getting the f**k out of bounds (no need to show your toughness as a QB on runs).

Lance needs to play a lot of preseason snaps. Who cares if it's backup OL in the game. He needs to get dropback experience even if it's versus opposing players that are not making the 53.
And yes, he needs to protect himself. He slid once in one of last season's preseason game and said that was the first time he ever slid. I don't know why it's so hard to do this. Practice it like anything else he practices. No, it would not have prevented his broken ankle because that wasn't the type of play a QB slides, but on the plays where a slide protects him from a hit, slide.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
I don't think any of the names being tossed around will
A - Be willing to take the #3 spot
B - Sign for what the team is willing to pay. Brissett has even been floated and I see him getting a starting gig next year. Emergency QBs aren't that good, man.

Brissett isn't signing a deal to be a starter, lol.

I do think money could be an issue depending on who they target, but they can also get creative with the contract. There would be incentive to signing up as a backup here with injury and performance questions around the two young guys.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You said this: "You still have to see what Lance is and can be"

KS will see everyday up close all summer

you can be the biggest TL backer on the planet and still see the obvious need for a real other QB. here is how:

is BP at risk of missing 2023? ---> yes there is some chance
is TL an injury risk after year 1 and year 2 injuries ---> yes
so are we at risk of being down both guys again? --> yup and they know it

I literally said about 5 other things and had questions for you and you didn't answer them lol.

it has nothing to do with being a Lance backer and understanding the nuance of developing a player like Lance. He has to PLAY FOOTBALL. Not throw out routes in TC or run 7 on 7s. If TC determined who can play and can't…Hoyer would be Brady. Jimmy would be a backup and Brock would have been cut.

My point is there isn't some magical FA QB that's gonna be some stud starter for SF…and play for peanuts.

I'm not saying don't sign a QB. I'm saying there isn't some dude that's playing for nothing, willing to be QB3 and not get starting reps that's gonna be some long-term starter in 2023.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
Regardless of who you want, with Purdys injury this team is Treys job to lose.

With BP potentially out 2023, we will add a guy who is a real guy. I liked Suds. But it will be a guy > Suds. They will then get em on the field at camp and see what is what.

TL has to be putting in the work now, to outclass this player to be named later. TL is woefully behind schedule thanks to missed 2020 and 2022.

You think the team will sign a #3 that will compete for the #1? Absolutely zero chance of that happening. Maybe if Lance is injured again and Purdy's recovery takes longer the #3 will see the field but it's going to likely be around Josh Johnson talent level, so let's just hope that doesn't happen again.

It won't be around Josh Johnson level not even close. He was a QB4. Like you mention, Purdy's recovery could run long and TL has been injured 2 of 2 seasons.

JL and KS know this. You think they will put themselves in a spot where the season rides on Josh Johnson again, or someone similar? No way in bleep.

I don't think any of the names being tossed around will
A - Be willing to take the #3 spot
B - Sign for what the team is willing to pay. Brissett has even been floated and I see him getting a starting gig next year. Emergency QBs aren't that good, man.

People complaining about Josh Johnson who was their QB3…love for them to take a look at other teams QB3 lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:
People complaining about Josh Johnson who was their QB3…love for them to take a look at other teams QB3 lol

let's get JJ outta here he ain't playing for us ever again

point is with BP and TL the QB room is running us like $13m

Saints and Giants just outlayed like $35-$40m annual on one guy each team
so we are miles ahead of a lot of clubs in QB spending even with 2 guys TL and BP

plenty of room to add a 1 year 7m deal with incentives to Mariota, Baker, Winston, heck I'm not a big Heinicke fan but I think he could run this offense
some of those guys are not gonna start they will have to settle as backups somewhere

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
There will be urgency in Lance to perform well and outside another freak injury he will succeed IMO. Kyle needs to be smart and stop designing stupid run options or QB power/draws so frequently. Perhaps this injury can change the playcalls going forward as well as Lance learning the importance of sliding and getting the f**k out of bounds (no need to show your toughness as a QB on runs).

Lance needs to play a lot of preseason snaps. Who cares if it's backup OL in the game. He needs to get dropback experience even if it's versus opposing players that are not making the 53.
And yes, he needs to protect himself. He slid once in one of last season's preseason game and said that was the first time he ever slid. I don't know why it's so hard to do this. Practice it like anything else he practices. No, it would not have prevented his broken ankle because that wasn't the type of play a QB slides, but on the plays where a slide protects him from a hit, slide.

Agree. I remember when a reporter asked him after Chicago game if he would slide more and he said he wanted to be tough and fight for every yard. He needs to re-evaluate that thought process. He needs to realize that's not the way a true franchise QB thinks. He needs to realize his importance to the team. He should see that all these run first QBs get injured freuqently (Jackson, Murray, Fields, etc).

f**k trying to get the last yard for a first down if its going to get you killed and be ready for next series when our elite defense gets us the ball back. He needs to realize his arm is the great equalizer for inevitable mistakes he will make.

Also, no more read options without a true passing option. IMO thats f**king stupid why make it only two options like the play he got injured. 1st option should be run, 2nd option should be pass, and 3rd should be scramble if nothing is open preferally to the outside if open with a slide or run out of bounds even on 3rd down to preserve his career. Honestly at this point if Shanahan calls a f**king stupid QB power/draw play, he needs to audible to anything else. f**k this BS that QB always needs to only run the play the HC calls 100% of the time.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
Regardless of who you want, with Purdys injury this team is Treys job to lose.

With BP potentially out 2023, we will add a guy who is a real guy. I liked Suds. But it will be a guy > Suds. They will then get em on the field at camp and see what is what.

TL has to be putting in the work now, to outclass this player to be named later. TL is woefully behind schedule thanks to missed 2020 and 2022.

You think the team will sign a #3 that will compete for the #1? Absolutely zero chance of that happening. Maybe if Lance is injured again and Purdy's recovery takes longer the #3 will see the field but it's going to likely be around Josh Johnson talent level, so let's just hope that doesn't happen again.

It won't be around Josh Johnson level not even close. He was a QB4. Like you mention, Purdy's recovery could run long and TL has been injured 2 of 2 seasons.

JL and KS know this. You think they will put themselves in a spot where the season rides on Josh Johnson again, or someone similar? No way in bleep.

I don't think any of the names being tossed around will
A - Be willing to take the #3 spot
B - Sign for what the team is willing to pay. Brissett has even been floated and I see him getting a starting gig next year. Emergency QBs aren't that good, man.

People complaining about Josh Johnson who was their QB3…love for them to take a look at other teams QB3 lol

Right? It may possible to get another rookie like Brock, yeah, but we won't be signing a veteran to QB 3 that anyone in the world should hope ever sees the field.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Right? It may possible to get another rookie like Brock, yeah, but we won't be signing a veteran to QB 3 that anyone in the world should hope ever sees the field.

Okay let's say we sign someone like JJ or on that level..

Lets also say, that BP isn't ready week 1.

So you would have us start TL and dress JJ (or a JJ equivalent)?

now consider this scenario if TL (who is a question mark) is not looking very confident / good in August

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
People complaining about Josh Johnson who was their QB3…love for them to take a look at other teams QB3 lol

let's get JJ outta here he ain't playing for us ever again

point is with BP and TL the QB room is running us like $13m

Saints and Giants just outlayed like $35-$40m annual on one guy each team
so we are miles ahead of a lot of clubs in QB spending even with 2 guys TL and BP

plenty of room to add a 1 year 7m deal with incentives to Mariota, Baker, Winston, heck I'm not a big Heinicke fan but I think he could run this offense
some of those guys are not gonna start they will have to settle as backups somewhere

There is a vast difference between signing to be a backup or to be #3, and whoever we get will have zero doubt that he is #3. Nobody you mentioned will do that, they'll all get backup jobs.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
People complaining about Josh Johnson who was their QB3…love for them to take a look at other teams QB3 lol

let's get JJ outta here he ain't playing for us ever again

point is with BP and TL the QB room is running us like $13m

Saints and Giants just outlayed like $35-$40m annual on one guy each team
so we are miles ahead of a lot of clubs in QB spending even with 2 guys TL and BP

plenty of room to add a 1 year 7m deal with incentives to Mariota, Baker, Winston, heck I'm not a big Heinicke fan but I think he could run this offense
some of those guys are not gonna start they will have to settle as backups somewhere

There is a vast difference between signing to be a backup or to be #3, and whoever we get will have zero doubt that he is #3. Nobody you mentioned will do that, they'll all get backup jobs.

You assume BP is playing week 1 or at some point in season. I don't.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
People complaining about Josh Johnson who was their QB3…love for them to take a look at other teams QB3 lol

let's get JJ outta here he ain't playing for us ever again

point is with BP and TL the QB room is running us like $13m

Saints and Giants just outlayed like $35-$40m annual on one guy each team
so we are miles ahead of a lot of clubs in QB spending even with 2 guys TL and BP

plenty of room to add a 1 year 7m deal with incentives to Mariota, Baker, Winston, heck I'm not a big Heinicke fan but I think he could run this offense
some of those guys are not gonna start they will have to settle as backups somewhere

There is a vast difference between signing to be a backup or to be #3, and whoever we get will have zero doubt that he is #3. Nobody you mentioned will do that, they'll all get backup jobs.

You assume BP is playing week 1 or at some point in season. I don't.

Ok, that makes sense then. The status of his recovery will absolutely determine the direction we go, and if he is out for the year I could see the team doing that.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
People complaining about Josh Johnson who was their QB3…love for them to take a look at other teams QB3 lol

let's get JJ outta here he ain't playing for us ever again

point is with BP and TL the QB room is running us like $13m

Saints and Giants just outlayed like $35-$40m annual on one guy each team
so we are miles ahead of a lot of clubs in QB spending even with 2 guys TL and BP

plenty of room to add a 1 year 7m deal with incentives to Mariota, Baker, Winston, heck I'm not a big Heinicke fan but I think he could run this offense
some of those guys are not gonna start they will have to settle as backups somewhere

There is a vast difference between signing to be a backup or to be #3, and whoever we get will have zero doubt that he is #3. Nobody you mentioned will do that, they'll all get backup jobs.

You assume BP is playing week 1 or at some point in season. I don't.

Ok, that makes sense then. The status of his recovery will absolutely determine the direction we go, and if he is out for the year I could see the team doing that.

One of the points I am making also is the FA decision has to be made long we know what the BP status is, most likely. FA starts in like a week. We may not know BP status until much later. We also won't know what TL looks like until summer. It's not an ideal position for our team decision makers to be in. Lot of uncertainty.