Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
People complaining about Josh Johnson who was their QB3…love for them to take a look at other teams QB3 lol

The suggestions you've floated for who we could sign, like Case Keenum, Gardner Minshew, or Andy Dalton, are significantly better and more accomplished players than Josh Johnson. These are not career #3's or practice squad guys, like JJ.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
let's get JJ outta here he ain't playing for us ever again

point is with BP and TL the QB room is running us like $13m

Saints and Giants just outlayed like $35-$40m annual on one guy each team
so we are miles ahead of a lot of clubs in QB spending even with 2 guys TL and BP

plenty of room to add a 1 year 7m deal with incentives to Mariota, Baker, Winston, heck I'm not a big Heinicke fan but I think he could run this offense
some of those guys are not gonna start they will have to settle as backups somewhere

You're the one that tossed our JJ in here…he was QB3. Go look around and see who's other teams QB3. That's what we're talking about. QB3.

and what if Brock can play at some point this yr? you're basically throwing away $7M for nothing. They won't even be active on game day. $7M is gonna get you a legit starter at another position. You want that at QB3.

There isn't a QB in FA that is a legit starter that will play for nothing. These is where we differ. You want a legit backup to be cool being QB3 and not be active on game days.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
The suggestions you've floated for who we could sign, like Case Keenum, Gardner Minshew, or Andy Dalton, are significantly better and more accomplished players than Josh Johnson. These are not career #3's or practice squad guys, like JJ.

I never said sign Andy Dalton. Guys like Keemun and Minshew are lower end backup QBs that aren't gonna cost as much as some of the other names some people thing will sign for nothing.

I just don't think SF is gonna go out and sign a QB at the beginning of FA. I think they will see how surgery goes and some of Brock's recovery goes. Possibly after the draft.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You're the one that tossed our JJ in here…he was QB3. Go look around and see who's other teams QB3. That's what we're talking about. QB3.

and what if Brock can play at some point this yr? you're basically throwing away $7M for nothing. They won't even be active on game day. $7M is gonna get you a legit starter at another position. You want that at QB3.

There isn't a QB in FA that is a legit starter that will play for nothing. These is where we differ. You want a legit backup to be cool being QB3 and not be active on game days.

last year we spent $2m on Suds did we not he didn't even play here
it's called an insurance policy
in what universe do you think we won't have any QB injury / issue?
name me the last year that was the case

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
There will be urgency in Lance to perform well and outside another freak injury he will succeed IMO. Kyle needs to be smart and stop designing stupid run options or QB power/draws so frequently. Perhaps this injury can change the playcalls going forward as well as Lance learning the importance of sliding and getting the f**k out of bounds (no need to show your toughness as a QB on runs).

Lance needs to play a lot of preseason snaps. Who cares if it's backup OL in the game. He needs to get dropback experience even if it's versus opposing players that are not making the 53.
And yes, he needs to protect himself. He slid once in one of last season's preseason game and said that was the first time he ever slid. I don't know why it's so hard to do this. Practice it like anything else he practices. No, it would not have prevented his broken ankle because that wasn't the type of play a QB slides, but on the plays where a slide protects him from a hit, slide.

Hopefully both Kyle and Trey learned a big lesson from last season.

Perhaps with CMC there Kyle will be less inclined to go super QB run heavy - i mean you can threaten teams with a Lance run but we have so many playmakers there is a risk vs reward situation on designed runs for Trey. Even the option play they ran against Seattle where Deebo picked up a huge chunk the read was for Trey to keep it. He handed it off and Deebo did his thing.

Learn from it - let the defense hesitate ever so slightly but let our guys make plays and let Trey play QB. Now for Trey's part, absolutely - get your ass out of bounds or slide young man! Keep yourself on the field if you want a chance to win your job back and keep it. Not to mention you can get some cheap flags in today's NFL using the slide.

Hopefully he uses Brock's play last year and what happened to him as an extra push this offseason and comes back hungry and ready to show people what he can do.

And hopefully Brock's surgery goes as well as possible on Friday and he's back in August or early September to make his run at the starting job.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
People complaining about Josh Johnson who was their QB3…love for them to take a look at other teams QB3 lol

let's get JJ outta here he ain't playing for us ever again

point is with BP and TL the QB room is running us like $13m

Saints and Giants just outlayed like $35-$40m annual on one guy each team
so we are miles ahead of a lot of clubs in QB spending even with 2 guys TL and BP

plenty of room to add a 1 year 7m deal with incentives to Mariota, Baker, Winston, heck I'm not a big Heinicke fan but I think he could run this offense
some of those guys are not gonna start they will have to settle as backups somewhere

There is a vast difference between signing to be a backup or to be #3, and whoever we get will have zero doubt that he is #3. Nobody you mentioned will do that, they'll all get backup jobs.

You assume BP is playing week 1 or at some point in season. I don't.

Ok, that makes sense then. The status of his recovery will absolutely determine the direction we go, and if he is out for the year I could see the team doing that.

One of the points I am making also is the FA decision has to be made long we know what the BP status is, most likely. FA starts in like a week. We may not know BP status until much later. We also won't know what TL looks like until summer. It's not an ideal position for our team decision makers to be in. Lot of uncertainty.

We'll know whether it was the minor, hybrid or TJ next week.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
last year we spent $2m on Suds did we not he didn't even play here
it's called an insurance policy
in what universe do you think we won't have any QB injury / issue?
name me the last year that was the case

Cool spend $2M on whomever is gonna be QB3. We got a RB injury problem should we spend $6M on whomever is gonna be the 3rd or 4th RB?

maybe I'm reading your posts wrong, but you make it sound like we need to invest in a legit QB and have there be some weird competition with Lance. Which is silly. I'm talking about investing low level backup money in a QB that KNOWS they're a backup and aren't gonna be getting starting reps at any point.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
last year we spent $2m on Suds did we not he didn't even play here
it's called an insurance policy
in what universe do you think we won't have any QB injury / issue?
name me the last year that was the case

Cool spend $2M on whomever is gonna be QB3. We got a RB injury problem should we spend $6M on whomever is gonna be the 3rd or 4th RB?

maybe I'm reading your posts wrong, but you make it sound like we need to invest in a legit QB and have their be some weird competition with Lance. Which is silly. I'm talking about investing low level backup money in a QB that KNOWS they're a backup and aren't gonna be getting starting reps at any point.

RB injury problem didn't cost us our season in 2018, 2020, 2022 that's 3/5 last 5 years or 60%; pretty sure it was QB injury that did

NY I will bet you our team gets a real guy not some JJ prax squad clown, JL said as much

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
People complaining about Josh Johnson who was their QB3…love for them to take a look at other teams QB3 lol

let's get JJ outta here he ain't playing for us ever again

point is with BP and TL the QB room is running us like $13m

Saints and Giants just outlayed like $35-$40m annual on one guy each team
so we are miles ahead of a lot of clubs in QB spending even with 2 guys TL and BP

plenty of room to add a 1 year 7m deal with incentives to Mariota, Baker, Winston, heck I'm not a big Heinicke fan but I think he could run this offense
some of those guys are not gonna start they will have to settle as backups somewhere

There is a vast difference between signing to be a backup or to be #3, and whoever we get will have zero doubt that he is #3. Nobody you mentioned will do that, they'll all get backup jobs.

You assume BP is playing week 1 or at some point in season. I don't.

Ok, that makes sense then. The status of his recovery will absolutely determine the direction we go, and if he is out for the year I could see the team doing that.

One of the points I am making also is the FA decision has to be made long we know what the BP status is, most likely. FA starts in like a week. We may not know BP status until much later. We also won't know what TL looks like until summer. It's not an ideal position for our team decision makers to be in. Lot of uncertainty.

We'll know whether it was the minor, hybrid or TJ next week.

This is true but I don't think it will be the whole issue; although it will be a big part. Recovery is a whole dif ballgame. Even TL had a second surgery in his recovery, which would not have been known or forecast at the time of the first.

100% im spending money a decent QB3 (4-6 million range) that can play at the NFL level. Josh Johnson clearly could not and completely s**t himself (also quit on the team on some weak concussion that 99% of QBs are coming back from after taking a play or two off).

At best, we never have to use QB3 but in the horrible case one of our first two QBs (TL, BP) is injured again on IR then we have a solid backup. I'd honestly draft an experienced power conference QB in the 5th to 7th round as well and make that player protected on PS (hell I'd keep 4 QBs on active roster if 4th guy is worthy). It sucks that we need to do that but given the rest of the roster, we need enough QB bodies. I'm fine losing some backup d-line or o-line that we could sign with that money because having a QB that can play at an NFL level is far important to our team.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
RB injury problem didn't cost us our season in 2018, 2020, 2022 that's 3/5 last 5 years or 60%; pretty sure it was QB injury that did

NY I will bet you our team gets a real guy not some JJ prax squad clown, JL said as much

This statement is dumb. Damn near every team's season is done once their starter is gone. Cool you can toss in Dalton and win a couple more games, you're not winning anything meaningful at that point.

They had Jimmy/Lance/Brock heading into the season. You're acting like they didn't do their due diligence at the QB position because we were forced to play JJ after three QBs got hurt. Like we were suppose to have Andy Dalton on the PS chilling making $6M. Like any backup out there was gonna beat Philly and win SF a SB. That's not real life dude.

nowhere did I say they should just roll with JJ. I said I doubt they invest in one or the top FA backups. Not unless they know that Brock will be out for the year first.

you also make it sound like whomever they sign should be competing with Lance to start day 1 which is ridiculous…deep down I truly think you want Jimmy back and have poo poo his market in his thread to justify why he would. That's my theory.

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
100% im spending money a decent QB3 (4-6 million range) that can play at the NFL level. Josh Johnson clearly could not and completely s**t himself (also quit on the team on some weak concussion that 99% of QBs are coming back from after taking a play or two off).

At best, we never have to use QB3 but in the horrible case one of our first two QBs (TL, BP) is injured again on IR then we have a solid backup. I'd honestly draft an experienced power conference QB in the 5th to 7th round as well and make that player protected on PS (hell I'd keep 4 QBs on active roster if 4th guy is worthy). It sucks that we need to do that but given the rest of the roster, we need enough QB bodies. I'm fine losing some backup d-line or o-line that we could sign with that money because having a QB that can play at an NFL level is far important to our team.

What team is paying their QB3 $4-6M? Most teams don't even carry 3 QBs on their final roster.

if the team is gonna pay legit money for a backup then the assumption would be that Brock is out for all or most of the year.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What team is paying their QB3 $4-6M? Most teams don't even carry 3 QBs on their final roster.

if the team is gonna pay legit money for a backup then the assumption would be that Brock is out for all or most of the year.

Or that TL is injured like in 2021 & 2022

Both have availability question marks imo

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I just don't think SF is gonna go out and sign a QB at the beginning of FA. I think they will see how surgery goes and some of Brock's recovery goes. Possibly after the draft.

They are certainly not committing to anything before they get a definitive word on the surgery. Even then, they may wait 10 days or so to be sure there is no infection that might push the timeline out further. Until then, it is all speculation...which is half the fun.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Or that TL is injured like in 2021 & 2022

Both have availability question marks imo

So neither are the QB of the future if you think like that…in that case we should trade for Kirk and take on his $35M because he doesn't miss games.

SF has legit starting positions that they need to fill and no picks until 100. They currently have only like $7M in cap space. I have no idea who they will restructure, but you want to take a good chunk of it and toss it at a guy who more than likely won't be active on game days. There isn't a team in the NFL that does that.