Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by dj43:
They are certainly not committing to anything before they get a definitive word on the surgery. Even then, they may wait 10 days or so to be sure there is no infection that might push the timeline out further. Until then, it is all speculation...which is half the fun.

For sure lol. I'm just trying to wrap my head around some fans thought process on all of this.

people complaining about QB3/talking about how we lost the season because we played JJ in the NFCC…like we were suppose to have a legit backup floating around at that point.

Brock/Lance are QB1/2 however that shakes out…if Brock is out for most of the year then yeah you will need a legit #2. You can't burn valuable cap space on that until you know what's what with Brock. If Brock is gonna be cleared to play near the beginning of the season, then a guy Nate Sudfeld makes sense at $2M.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
For sure lol. I'm just trying to wrap my head around some fans thought process on all of this.

we are putting a headset into CMC in the NFC champ game and you can't wrap your head around some fans wanting us to address the QB spot, get a lil depth?
I mean they are gonna be operating on BP our presumed starter if healthy on Fri
what other alarm bells do you need at this position?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
For sure lol. I'm just trying to wrap my head around some fans thought process on all of this.

we are putting a headset into CMC in the NFC champ game and you can't wrap your head around some fans wanting us to address the QB spot, get a lil depth?
I mean they are gonna be operating on BP our presumed starter if healthy on Fri
what other alarm bells do you need at this position?

The problem is health, not depth.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we are putting a headset into CMC in the NFC champ game and you can't wrap your head around some fans wanting us to address the QB spot, get a lil depth?
I mean they are gonna be operating on BP our presumed starter if healthy on Fri
what other alarm bells do you need at this position?

I can only speak for myself, but my argument isn't based on the fact that we ran out of QBs last year, or that we need 3 QBs capable of starting going into the season. I agree with NY that once Jimmy G went down, and we were left with only one of the three QBs we started the season with, that there was nothing realistic we could do to pick up a better quality player than a Josh Johnson type. You can't plan to have three QB injuries.

If Purdy was healthy going into camp, we would sign or draft a garden variety #3 quarterback. He isn't healthy. Even if he's on the 6 month timetable, he could have setbacks and other issues (as you and I have both said previously). We don't know if Trey is going to progress at all in offseason work, and he also has suffered multiple injuries including a season ending ankle break, in his limited time.

We are looking to assure that we have a quality #2. A player who realistically could end up with playing time. And we can absolutely spend the money to do it. It would be a very similar financial situation to last year with Jimmy G. His base salary was 6-8 million, with incentives, and that's not including the 2 million we burned on Sudfeld. That's a minimum of 8 million dollars we spent on the position outside of Brock and Trey. We can do that again... and we should.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
RB injury problem didn't cost us our season in 2018, 2020, 2022 that's 3/5 last 5 years or 60%; pretty sure it was QB injury that did

NY I will bet you our team gets a real guy not some JJ prax squad clown, JL said as much

This statement is dumb. Damn near every team's season is done once their starter is gone. Cool you can toss in Dalton and win a couple more games, you're not winning anything meaningful at that point.

They had Jimmy/Lance/Brock heading into the season. You're acting like they didn't do their due diligence at the QB position because we were forced to play JJ after three QBs got hurt. Like we were suppose to have Andy Dalton on the PS chilling making $6M. Like any backup out there was gonna beat Philly and win SF a SB. That's not real life dude.

nowhere did I say they should just roll with JJ. I said I doubt they invest in one or the top FA backups. Not unless they know that Brock will be out for the year first.

you also make it sound like whomever they sign should be competing with Lance to start day 1 which is ridiculous…deep down I truly think you want Jimmy back and have poo poo his market in his thread to justify why he would. That's my theory.

There is absolutely zero chance we are going to invest any sort of substantial money on a QB3. Absolutely no chance. But even if we were willing to, the idea that an Andy Dalton type QB would sign up to be a QB3 is comical.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
There is absolutely zero chance we are going to invest any sort of substantial money on a QB3. Absolutely no chance. The idea that an Andy Dalton type QB would sign up to be a QB3 is comical.

right now we got QB1 TL

that's all we got folks. we don't have a QB2 imo. and we won't for a long time if you are waiting on BP.

This team shouldn't and isn't imo. Why do you think JL came out publicly and said we are looking to add at that position?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
There is absolutely zero chance we are going to invest any sort of substantial money on a QB3. Absolutely no chance. The idea that an Andy Dalton type QB would sign up to be a QB3 is comical.

right now we got QB1 TL

that's all we got folks. we don't have a QB2 imo. and we won't for a long time if you are waiting on BP.

This team shouldn't and isn't imo. Why do you think JL came out publicly and said we are looking to add at that position?

Adding to that position, and signing a Matt Ryan/Andy Dalton are not one and the same. I fully expect to add to the position. But I cant see it being anything other than like a Nick Mullens type QB. It makes no sense for us money wise and it makes no sense for the player career wise for it to be anyone much better than that.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we are putting a headset into CMC in the NFC champ game and you can't wrap your head around some fans wanting us to address the QB spot, get a lil depth?
I mean they are gonna be operating on BP our presumed starter if healthy on Fri
what other alarm bells do you need at this position?

And? Again name a teams QB3…or QB4 because that's where they were at in the NFCC. Please tell me the names of them….who the f**k even has 3 "startable" QBs on their roster?

Show me the "depth" for teams QB3 and beyond across the league?

you're acting like SF f**ked up not having Andy Dalton as QB4. Get real man. They had Jimmy as the freaking backup. We had Lance and Brock on top of it.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
There is absolutely zero chance we are going to invest any sort of substantial money on a QB3. Absolutely no chance. But even if we were willing to, the idea that an Andy Dalton type QB would sign up to be a QB3 is comical.

Dude, his rebuttals are all over the place. He talks about JJ and having to put the headset in CMC like we should have had some legit backup as QB3 in the NFCC…most teams don't even have one startable QB. Let alone 3 (or pay for that). Then he talks about Lance being the only QB on the roster without knowing anything regarding Brock's surgery that hasn't even happened yet.

If Brock is out of the year, yeah go get a legit backup. Let's stop acting like this backup is gonna compete with Lance for anything. Let's stop acting like any of these backups, if having to step on long-term, will get SF to the promise land. Why spent meaningful money on that? It's Lance/Brock or bust in 2023…unless Brady wants to play for basically nothing.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we are putting a headset into CMC in the NFC champ game and you can't wrap your head around some fans wanting us to address the QB spot, get a lil depth?
I mean they are gonna be operating on BP our presumed starter if healthy on Fri
what other alarm bells do you need at this position?

And? Again name a teams QB3…or QB4 because that's where they were at in the NFCC. Please tell me the names of them….who the f**k even has 3 "startable" QBs on their roster?

Show me the "depth" for teams QB3 and beyond across the league?

you're acting like SF f**ked up not having Andy Dalton as QB4. Get real man. They had Jimmy as the freaking backup. We had Lance and Brock on top of it.

I was arguing this same stuff the other week until I was blue in the face. I was hoping the light bulb would turn on at some point but it never did. These fans actually believe its feasible to have 3 or 4 starting caliber QB's on an NFL roster.

I think where I am sensing a separation between TL and Purdy is how players are talking about Purdy in camp and practice previous to his first game. I am not hearing that kind of discussion around TL. Still optimistic but its an insight into what is happening on the practice feild. Like I said before if this doesnt motivate TL, I dont know what will.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we are putting a headset into CMC in the NFC champ game and you can't wrap your head around some fans wanting us to address the QB spot, get a lil depth?
I mean they are gonna be operating on BP our presumed starter if healthy on Fri
what other alarm bells do you need at this position?

And? Again name a teams QB3…or QB4 because that's where they were at in the NFCC. Please tell me the names of them….who the f**k even has 3 "startable" QBs on their roster?

Show me the "depth" for teams QB3 and beyond across the league?

you're acting like SF f**ked up not having Andy Dalton as QB4. Get real man. They had Jimmy as the freaking backup. We had Lance and Brock on top of it.

I was arguing this same stuff the other week until I was blue in the face. I was hoping the light bulb would turn on at some point but it never did. These fans actually believe its feasible to have 3 or 4 starting caliber QB's on an NFL roster.

Ya that's pretty dumb

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude, his rebuttal are all over the place. He talks about JJ and having to put the headset in CMC like we should have had some legit backup as QB3 in the NFCC…most teams don't even have one startable QB. Let alone 3 (or pay for that). Then he talks about Lance being the only QB on the roster without knowing anything regarding Brock's surgery that hasn't even happened yet.

If Brock is out of the year, yeah go get a legit backup. Let's stop acting like this backup is gonna compete with Lance for anything. Let's stop acting like any of these backups, if having to step on long-term, will get SF to the promise land. Why spent meaningful money on that? It's Lance/Brock or bust in 2023…unless Brady wants to play for basically nothing.

You really should attempt to not ascribe arguments to people that they aren't actually making.

Nobody, as far as I can tell, has suggested we should sign a player that would be capable of getting the team to the promised land as a season long, or bulk of season, starter. I specifically said that was unrealistic. *I should say nobody involved in this discussion over the last couple of days.*

The competition angle with Trey is getting played up here too. You go ahead and give Trey the reps, but if he's not progressing and struggling, you have an alternative short term starter until Brock can return, and you have an experienced spot player in the backup role when he returns. That's in addition to his own injury risk, and possible setbacks with Brock. These dynamics are fluid. You're doing the best you can to plan for all the bad.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
There is absolutely zero chance we are going to invest any sort of substantial money on a QB3. Absolutely no chance. The idea that an Andy Dalton type QB would sign up to be a QB3 is comical.

right now we got QB1 TL

that's all we got folks. we don't have a QB2 imo. and we won't for a long time if you are waiting on BP.

This team shouldn't and isn't imo. Why do you think JL came out publicly and said we are looking to add at that position?

Adding to that position, and signing a Matt Ryan/Andy Dalton are not one and the same. I fully expect to add to the position. But I cant see it being anything other than like a Nick Mullens type QB. It makes no sense for us money wise and it makes no sense for the player career wise for it to be anyone much better than that.

I think I know a Nick Mullens type of player to sign. His name is Nick Mullens and he's an UFA!

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You really should attempt to not ascribe arguments to people that they aren't actually making.

Nobody, as far as I can tell, has suggested we should sign a player that would be capable of getting the team to the promised land as a season long, or bulk of season, starter. I specifically said that was unrealistic. *I should say nobody involved in this discussion over the last couple of days.*

The competition angle with Trey is getting played up here too. You go ahead and give Trey the reps, but if he's not progressing and struggling, you have an alternative short term starter until Brock can return, and you have an experienced spot player in the backup role when he returns. That's in addition to his own injury risk, and possible setbacks with Brock. These dynamics are fluid. You're doing the best you can to plan for all the bad.

You should read all the posters comments before pointing fingers at me.

Nowhere did I say SmokeyJoe….as far as your last comment goes. I completely disagree. You have to let Lance play good/bad whatever. They drafted him to be that guy and if they had zero intention to let him play through his ups an and downs they should never draft a QB again. If Brock stinks for a couple games, what you gonna bench him and turn to Jameis Winston or Andy Dalton? No, their backups and backups are meant to help you win a game here and there. Not overtake the QB you spent 3 1sts on.

You do your best to plan for everything without disrupting development and taking away meaningful money to positions that we actually need starters at.