Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Key words being "we may". That is different from saying "we will". We will just have to wait and see how Brock's surgery goes first is how I interpret it.

exactly.

Also that might mean more along the lines of Nate Sudfield NOT the higher end backups who you're spending legit cash on for a one yr deal. Fans b***hing about how the OL causes all these QB injuries and then they'd rather toss money at QB3 instead of the OL. Make it make sense

If we're going that route (signing a higher end backup) I'd rather give them a multi yr deal with little gtd cash and the opportunity to spread out that cap hit/DM.

this whole give a guy $6-$8M for one year stuff is silly.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
exactly.

Also that might mean more along the lines of Nate Sudfield NOT the higher end backups who you're spending legit cash on for a one yr deal. Fans b***hing about how the OL causes all these QB injuries and then they'd rather toss money at QB3 instead of the OL. Make it make sense

If we're going that route (signing a higher end backup) I'd rather give them a multi yr deal with little gtd cash and the opportunity to spread out that cap hit/DM.

this whole give a guy $6-$8M for one year stuff is silly.

where is this 6-8 million number coming from?

Th only high priced backups I see are the ones signed/traded to be the teams starter. Trubisky, Winston, Darnold, Jimmy G. The oly exceptions are Tyrod Taylor and Teddy Bridgewater. Those guys were brought in because of doubt about Daniel Jones and Tua long term.

top 10 highest paid backups in 2022. Before the season started.

Jimmy G 7 mil
Teddy B 6.5
Tyrod Taylor 5.5
Mason Rudolph 5.3
Jacoby Brissett 4.65
Colt McCoy 3.75
Joe Flacco 3.5
Case Keenum 3.5
Chad Henne 3.25
Taylor Heinecke 3.125

I think it's safe to say we would be in the 3.5 million range at best or I guess at worst.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Key words being "we may". That is different from saying "we will". We will just have to wait and see how Brock's surgery goes first is how I interpret it.

exactly.

Also that might mean more along the lines of Nate Sudfield NOT the higher end backups who you're spending legit cash on for a one yr deal. Fans b***hing about how the OL causes all these QB injuries and then they'd rather toss money at QB3 instead of the OL. Make it make sense

If we're going that route (signing a higher end backup) I'd rather give them a multi yr deal with little gtd cash and the opportunity to spread out that cap hit/DM.

this whole give a guy $6-$8M for one year stuff is silly.

Pass pro isn't really the issue though. They were ranked 5th in the league last season. Obviously if you aren't #1 than there is still room for improvement. We also need to fill that RT tackle spot as well. But PHI's O line was considered the #1 unit in the league last season and yet they gave up 11 more sacks than we did. What happened to Brock Purdy was rare and unfortunate and was not because of the O line. What happened to Trey wasn't because of the O line nor was it because of pass pro. What happened to Jimmy always happens to Jimmy because he is so reluctant to give up on a play.

The only way we spend money on a high priced back up QB is if Brock's surgery doesn't go as planned and his rehab is expected to be 9 months or longer. If Brock's surgery goes as planned, we will most likely just draft a QB and bring in a cheap vet to compete with the rookie for that #3 spot.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I've answered this. I don't assume BP is returning. Hopefully he will be.. but when, who knows?

So the QB we add wouldn't even be QB3. Would be QB2 or maybe QB1.

You can pretty safely bet BP or TL at least 1 or both, probably won't be available for some stretch of the year. These guys have 9 career starts. Two major injuries. 1 rehabbing another undergoing surg. We need help here. We need a QB2 all summer. Moving off this topic.

So you're assuming stuff before surgery even happens?

if you think one or both won't be available for some stretch then we can't count of either to be our long-term starters. Tossing *insert random FA QB* as the guy for some stretch doesn't do a damn thing imo. You STILL don't have that guy and you can't count on the guys we currently have…I'd rather tank for Williams or trade for an elite QB (if an option comes about) then dick around with a plethora of Joe Blows at QB.

You don't spent $6-8M to have a "QB2 in summer" that's incredibly dumb and a horrible waste of valuable cap space that they don't have.

Tank for Williams with a roster this loaded for a Super Bowl? You have lost the plot with that one.

Originally posted by krizay:
where is this 6-8 million number coming from?

Th only high priced backups I see are the ones signed/traded to be the teams starter. Trubisky, Winston, Darnold, Jimmy G. The oly exceptions are Tyrod Taylor and Teddy Bridgewater. Those guys were brought in because of doubt about Daniel Jones and Tua long term.

top 10 highest paid backups in 2022. Before the season started.

Jimmy G 7 mil
Teddy B 6.5
Tyrod Taylor 5.5
Mason Rudolph 5.3
Jacoby Brissett 4.65
Colt McCoy 3.75
Joe Flacco 3.5
Case Keenum 3.5
Chad Henne 3.25
Taylor Heinecke 3.125

I think it's safe to say we would be in the 3.5 million range at best or I guess at worst.

It comes from the people I've been having a conversation with about backup QBs for days now. They're they ones tossing out that number.

Much like every FA, I don't expect players contracts to stay stagnant when the cap space goes up. Like Fat Joe said "yesterday's price, isn't today's price" if you can get one of those guys for what we paid Sudfield cool

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Tank for Williams with a roster this loaded for a Super Bowl? You have lost the plot with that one.

You're the one basically saying we don't have a starting QB on the roster. Who cares if you have a Super Roster, if you don't have a top end QB you ain't winning the Super Bowl right now. Signing the Andy Dalton's of the world because he's gonna be playing for some long stretch (according to you) doesn't make our SB roster better or give us some amazing chance to win it all.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Tank for Williams with a roster this loaded for a Super Bowl? You have lost the plot with that one.

You're the one basically saying we don't have a starting QB on the roster. Who cares if you have a Super Roster, if you don't have a top end QB you ain't winning the Super Bowl right now. Signing the Andy Dalton's of the world because he's gonna be playing for some long stretch (according to you) doesn't make our SB roster better or give us some amazing chance to win it all.

i just guarantee you internally JL / KS that thought of tanking for Williams has not crossed their minds or is up for discussion

adding someone cuz QB injury seems to bite us in the backside in a majority of seasons is openly on the table per JL

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Pass pro isn't really the issue though. They were ranked 5th in the league last season. Obviously if you aren't #1 than there is still room for improvement. We also need to fill that RT tackle spot as well. But PHI's O line was considered the #1 unit in the league last season and yet they gave up 11 more sacks than we did. What happened to Brock Purdy was rare and unfortunate and was not because of the O line. What happened to Trey wasn't because of the O line nor was it because of pass pro. What happened to Jimmy always happens to Jimmy because he is so reluctant to give up on a play.

The only way we spend money on a high priced back up QB is if Brock's surgery doesn't go as planned and his rehab is expected to be 9 months or longer. If Brock's surgery goes as planned, we will most likely just draft a QB and bring in a cheap vet to compete with the rookie for that #3 spot.

I agree with you (even though we do need to get a starting RT and center currently). People in here will b***h about the OL being the reason we have all these QB injuries…now their solution is to sign some random washed up vet QB instead of fixing the supposed crappy OL that they've been complaining about for years.

This team isn't gonna spend in FA, they don't have all this cap space, and they don't have a top 99 pick. I'd much rather use whatever cash they have and get guys that will actually play. Draft a late day 3 QB, & See what happens with Brock. If he's out for the year, you can still sign or trade for a backup. We lose Lance (with Brock out) we ain't winning a SB with any of these FA QBs anyway.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i just guarantee you internally JL / KS that thought of tanking for Williams has not crossed their minds or is up for discussion

adding someone cuz QB injury seems to bite us in the backside in a majority of seasons is openly on the table per JL

They should be according to you. Since Lance and Brock can't stay on the field and according to you one or both will be out for a significant stretch…. If that's your perception of them THEN NEITHER are your long-term starter.

If you think Dalton/Winston will take SF to the promise land , well I'll disagree with that all damn day.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Pass pro isn't really the issue though. They were ranked 5th in the league last season. Obviously if you aren't #1 than there is still room for improvement. We also need to fill that RT tackle spot as well. But PHI's O line was considered the #1 unit in the league last season and yet they gave up 11 more sacks than we did. What happened to Brock Purdy was rare and unfortunate and was not because of the O line. What happened to Trey wasn't because of the O line nor was it because of pass pro. What happened to Jimmy always happens to Jimmy because he is so reluctant to give up on a play.

The only way we spend money on a high priced back up QB is if Brock's surgery doesn't go as planned and his rehab is expected to be 9 months or longer. If Brock's surgery goes as planned, we will most likely just draft a QB and bring in a cheap vet to compete with the rookie for that #3 spot.

I agree with you (even though we do need to get a starting RT and center currently). People in here will b***h about the OL being the reason we have all these QB injuries…now their solution is to sign some random washed up vet QB instead of fixing the supposed crappy OL that they've been complaining about for years.

This team isn't gonna spend in FA, they don't have all this cap space, and they don't have a top 99 pick. I'd much rather use whatever cash they have and get guys that will actually play. Draft a late day 3 QB, & See what happens with Brock. If he's out for the year, you can still sign or trade for a backup. We lose Lance (with Brock out) we ain't winning a SB with any of these FA QBs anyway.

Yes. RT should be the #1 top priority this off season. Just above DT on that list. I don't think center is as big of a need but I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if they had the opportunity to upgrade the position.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Yes. RT should be the #1 top priority this off season. Just above DT on that list. I don't think center is as big of a need but I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if they had the opportunity to upgrade the position.

I mean they don't have a starting center on the roster right now. Gotta do something there.

we got no starting FS/RT/C/RDB (or slot) & K right now. We need DT and EDGE depth/rotation for sure.

SF has what 20 FAs? Yet people want to take basically all our current cap space and give it to QB3 lol Da f**k.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Yes. RT should be the #1 top priority this off season. Just above DT on that list. I don't think center is as big of a need but I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if they had the opportunity to upgrade the position.

I mean they don't have a starting center on the roster right now. Gotta do something there.

we got no starting FS/RT/C/RDB (or slot) & K right now. We need DT and EDGE depth/rotation for sure.

SF has what 20 FAs? Yet people want to take basically all our current cap space and give it to QB3 lol Da f**k.

You don't think they will resign Brendel if a better option isn't going to be available in FA?

Rumor has it that Gibson wants to come back and Jimmy Ward is not opposed to coming back either. I can see them resigning Emann on the cheap. Is Lenoir not under contract? He played well down the stretch and was damn good in the playoffs.

The FO is definitely going to have to restructure a few contracts to make some cap room. But I don't see things any different than last off season in that respect.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You don't think they will resign Brendel if a better option isn't going to be available in FA?

Rumor has it that Gibson wants to come back and Jimmy Ward is not opposed to coming back either. I can see them resigning Emann on the cheap. Is Lenoir not under contract? He played well down the stretch and was damn good in the playoffs.

The FO is definitely going to have to restructure a few contracts to make some cap room. But I don't see things any different than last off season in that respect.

I'm not saying they don't resign those guys. I'm saying they gotta invest new money at those positions. That cap space is gone. I expect restructures. They don't have a choice there. I would much rather use that freed up money for guys that will actually be playing and part of the team past this yr.

QB3 is down on the list for me when it comes to FA. IMO they should take care of other stuff, wait to see what the deal is with Brock and go from there. I don't see every FA QB getting signed the first week of FA.

i think we should trade Trey and land the Ohio State kid...

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You don't think they will resign Brendel if a better option isn't going to be available in FA?

Rumor has it that Gibson wants to come back and Jimmy Ward is not opposed to coming back either. I can see them resigning Emann on the cheap. Is Lenoir not under contract? He played well down the stretch and was damn good in the playoffs.

The FO is definitely going to have to restructure a few contracts to make some cap room. But I don't see things any different than last off season in that respect.

I'm not saying they don't resign those guys. I'm saying they gotta invest new money at those positions. That cap space is gone. I expect restructures. They don't have a choice there. I would much rather use that freed up money for guys that will actually be playing and part of the team past this yr.

QB3 is down on the list for me when it comes to FA. IMO they should take care of other stuff, wait to see what the deal is with Brock and go from there. I don't see every FA QB getting signed the first week of FA.

That is exactly where I am at also.