Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by krizay:
I understand that. Over the past 2 seasons CLE & MIA are the only ones who paid for a true backup that fits the 6-8 price range that had been discussed.

Jimmy G wasn't a free agent he restructured down to 7mil. If you remember we gave Sudfeld a fully guaranteed 2 mil contract that could be 3mil. They considered him "high end" at around the price point that the going rate for a true backup is.

Yet we have guys in here like Brodie, who literally wants to sign Jimmy for $20-$25M and Faithful who wants to sign a backup for $6-8M. That's the posters I'm debating with…if we can get a backup worthy guy for $2M that knows they will be the backup. Not take any first team reps and we can overall cut (and not have it be an issue) or put on the PS….sign me up. If we're gonna go get a Dalton level QB, make it a multi yr deal (with little GTD cash), so we can spread that cap/DM out.

I do not want to spend any meaningful cash (one yr deal) for the backup to the backup (if Brock/Lance are active) when we have plenty of other position groups that need fixing. THL is saying why spend anything meaningful if most of the backups out there suck? Waste of money. We lose Lance/Brock or both for a majority of the year. Season is more than likely done. None of those dudes are gonna change much.

I'd rather draft a QB late day 3 or if we end up needing a Teddy or Dalton trade down the road.

Originally posted by thl408:
All yesterday the discussion was about signing a middling backup or a good backup, or what you just referred to as a "true backup". You started posting salaries of s**tty backups to make some pointless point about how backups can be cheap. Of course backups can be cheap, because those are the s**tty backups. I understand your point about how Jimmy was a restructure.

Exactly

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by thl408:
The discussion has been about signing a worthy backup, not a bad backup. It appears as though you aren't following the discussion.

I understand that. Over the past 2 seasons CLE & MIA are the only ones who paid for a true backup that fits the 6-8 price range that had been discussed.

Jimmy G wasn't a free agent he restructured down to 7mil. If you remember we gave Sudfeld a fully guaranteed 2 mil contract that could be 3mil. They considered him "high end" at around the price point that the going rate for a true backup is.

All yesterday the discussion was about signing a middling backup or a good backup, or what you just referred to as a "true backup". You started posting salaries of s**tty backups to make some pointless point about how backups can be cheap. Of course backups can be cheap, because those are the s**tty backups. I understand your point about how Jimmy was a restructure.

Why not draft a back up QB?

We could but I think JL's take was along the lines of a vet to get more experience in the room. It's a very inexperienced room right now.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by thl408:
The discussion has been about signing a worthy backup, not a bad backup. I don't think you're following the discussion.

It's subjective who is worthy and who isn't. My take is it's gonna be a real guy or to make that objective, someone with more starts in the NFL than BP and TL put together.

The room really lacks experience. 9 career starts with 2 guys. Could be wrong here but if I am JL I want a experienced, steady hand. Very real chance this guy starts games, as BP is rehabbing a loong time and TL has a very hard time staying on the field to date.

Give me a couple names you'd be happy with signing as a free agent. Perhaps that will allow me to better understand what you want at QB2/3.

Baker
Winston
Brady - would be QB1 obv
Mariota
I liked your Kyle Allen suggestion (I think that was you)
not a big Heinicke fan, however I could get behind this one, has some Brock to his game if you really squint I suppose
Lock
I like Suds although he doesn't meet my NFL starts criteria

I suspect Dalton and Ryan may be toast, however if JL / KS evaluate these guys and are on board I could probably get on board

with our squad it is best LT, best FB, best wideback, 1k BA, best RB, one of the best gameday HCs, I mean how many bests do you need here?
would be a crying shame if we get to week 1 and BP isn't healthy and TL gets his usual knock and we got 17 games of JJ or Benkurt or that caliber of QB, would have to panic trade at that point and it would probably be too late in the process as you need time to get a new QB up to speed

Of that list, I think the following QBs would command a multiyear, which I am hesitant to give, but that's just my preference: Baker, Winston, Heineke. Mariota might command a multiyear, I thought he had a solid 2022.
Lock and Suds will be cheap because they aren't proven and none of us should be surprised if they suck if they had to play. So they don't fit my definition of "good backup" imo.
Dalton showed last season he can still play and that makes me think he could command a high enough salary that I would consider him an expensive backup.

I think the disagreement is that some want to spend decent money on a proven backup QB (about $5+) and some don't. I totally see why a person would want to spend on a good backup considering the 2022 season. I'd just rather risk it and spend that money on a player that can contribute each week. Just my preference on how the team should spend their 2023 cap.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yet we have guys in here like Brodie, who literally wants to sign Jimmy for $20-$25M and Faithful who wants to sign a backup for $6-8M. That's the posters I'm debating with…if we can get a backup worthy guy for $2M that knows they will be the backup. Not take any first team reps and we can overall cut (and not have it be an issue) or put on the PS….sign me up. If we're gonna go get a Dalton level QB, make it a multi yr deal (with little GTD cash), so we can spread that cap/DM out.

I do not want to spend any meaningful cash (one yr deal) for the backup to the backup (if Brock/Lance are active) when we have plenty of other position groups that need fixing. THL is saying why spend anything meaningful if most of the backups out there suck? Waste of money. We lose Lance/Brock or both for a majority of the year. Season is more than likely done. None of those dudes are gonna change much.

I'd rather draft a QB late day 3 or if we end up needing a Teddy or Dalton trade down the road.

TRust me I'm with you. I wouldn't spend more than 3 myself. Only two QBs that interest me is Dalton and McCarron.

McCarron currently in XFL can wait til after his season which i believe is after the draft for him and get him at the minimum. Plus, he could be one of them dudes you can keep on PS squad until you need him. If you need him. Depending on Purdy obviously.

Originally posted by thl408:
Of that list, I think the following QBs would command a multiyear, which I am hesitant to give, but that's just my preference: Baker, Winston, Heineke. Mariota might command a multiyear, I thought he had a solid 2022.
Lock and Suds will be cheap because they aren't proven and none of us should be surprised if they suck if they had to play. So they don't fit my definition of "good backup" imo.
Dalton showed last season he can still play and that makes me think he could command a high enough salary that I would consider him an expensive backup.

I think the disagreement is that some want to spend decent money on a proven backup QB (about $5+) and some don't. I totally see why a person would want to spend on a good backup considering the 2022 season. I'd just rather risk it and spend that money on a player that can contribute each week. Just my preference on how the team should spend their 2023 cap.

Totally agree. If Trey and Brock can't go the season is lost. Andy Dalton or Jameis Winston won't make that less true.

If we are keeping money for a potential situation with qb it means we ignore something else. So instead of having an actual free safety starter with experience and talent we have to go cheap because qb's get hurt. I don't see how that is a good use of resources.

Originally posted by thl408:
All yesterday the discussion was about signing a middling backup or a good backup, or what you just referred to as a "true backup". You started posting salaries of s**tty backups to make some pointless point about how backups can be cheap. Of course backups can be cheap, because those are the s**tty backups. I understand your point about how Jimmy was a restructure.

It's not how backups can be cheap its that they are cheap. They high end backs were signed to be starters they weren't signed to be backups. The list I posted were literally the highest paid backups that actually signed to be backups.

You can call them s**tty all you want. I wouldn't disagree with you but nonetheless that list were true backups that signed to be backups.

Not the Trubiskys who signed to start then was demoted to backup.

Not Darnold who was traded to start then demoted to backup.

Same with Jimmy G, Mariota, Mayfield, Ryan, Wentz etc...

Those guys are high end backups but not signed to be backups.

The Browns with Keenum and Brissett. Miami with Brissett and Teddy are only teams that really paid extra for "top end" backup over the past 2 seasons

My 2nd post was to show there wasn't any "inflation" from price ranges for backups in 21 to 22.

Me and you are on the same page as for what you'd spend and wouldn't spend. Also as far as short list of which QB you'd wsnt

Originally posted by krizay:
TRust me I'm with you. I wouldn't spend more than 3 myself. Only two QBs that interest me is Dalton and McCarron.

McCarron currently in XFL can wait til after his season which i believe is after the draft for him and get him at the minimum. Plus, he could be one of them dudes you can keep on PS squad until you need him. If you need him. Depending on Purdy obviously.

Totally good going that route.

I vote for the let's have a 100% healthy Trey and Brock for the whole season+ and never worry about QB3 outside of preseason again!

Originally posted by genus49:
I vote for the let's have a 100% healthy Trey and Brock for the whole season+ and never worry about QB3 outside of preseason again!

that is the hope. personally i feel the best case for our team would be if TL morphs into who we drafted him to be this summer
could happen if he puts in the work like Hufanga and BA did last camp/offseason
prayers up to Brock this week on the Friday surg

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by thl408:
The discussion has been about signing a worthy backup, not a bad backup. It appears as though you aren't following the discussion.

I understand that. Over the past 2 seasons CLE & MIA are the only ones who paid for a true backup that fits the 6-8 price range that had been discussed.

Jimmy G wasn't a free agent he restructured down to 7mil. If you remember we gave Sudfeld a fully guaranteed 2 mil contract that could be 3mil. They considered him "high end" at around the price point that the going rate for a true backup is.

All yesterday the discussion was about signing a middling backup or a good backup, or what you just referred to as a "true backup". You started posting salaries of s**tty backups to make some pointless point about how backups can be cheap. Of course backups can be cheap, because those are the s**tty backups. I understand your point about how Jimmy was a restructure.

Why not draft a back up QB?

We could but I think JL's take was along the lines of a vet to get more experience in the room. It's a very inexperienced room right now.

I here you, but do you think coach Brian Griese can handle that part?

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I here you, but do you think coach Brian Griese can handle that part?

There is a line between coaches and players... so while you would expect mentorship to come from coaches, it's also worthwhile to have it come from players. That whole labor - management dynamic, I guess.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I here you, but do you think coach Brian Griese can handle that part?

taking this route if we do, I am intrigued by this UCLA prospect.. granted I have yet to really dive into the draft yet

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I here you, but do you think coach Brian Griese can handle that part?

There is a line between coaches and players... so while you would expect mentorship to come from coaches, it's also worthwhile to have it come from players. That whole labor - management dynamic, I guess.

I can see that

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by thl408:
The discussion has been about signing a worthy backup, not a bad backup. It appears as though you aren't following the discussion.

I understand that. Over the past 2 seasons CLE & MIA are the only ones who paid for a true backup that fits the 6-8 price range that had been discussed.

Jimmy G wasn't a free agent he restructured down to 7mil. If you remember we gave Sudfeld a fully guaranteed 2 mil contract that could be 3mil. They considered him "high end" at around the price point that the going rate for a true backup is.

All yesterday the discussion was about signing a middling backup or a good backup, or what you just referred to as a "true backup". You started posting salaries of s**tty backups to make some pointless point about how backups can be cheap. Of course backups can be cheap, because those are the s**tty backups. I understand your point about how Jimmy was a restructure.

Why not draft a back up QB?

I think that's the plan.