Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Koldo:
I'm not 100% confident Trey can beat out Darnold for QB2.

If it were a straight up QB competition, I agree with you. But Trey Lance is gonna get every opportunity to be the starter, basically handed the job again.

sure but if TL is struggling in July and Darnold is on fire; KS may have to reevaluate; point is we don't know, summer is a long way off and it will be up to the guys, they effectively will set the chart with how they look and perform all summer

Has Darnold ever been on fire? A few folks on here say he was on fire this past season right before getting benched.

Trey has some serious talent, and he's smart. I don't think Darnold is on Trey's level and he never will be.

talent wise they are both #3 overall right

one got drafted into an ELITE org
the other got drafted to trash town

I don't think TL would light the world on fire with Adam Gase.. yet to do it with Kyle Shanahan
just sayin

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Koldo:
I'm not 100% confident Trey can beat out Darnold for QB2.

If it were a straight up QB competition, I agree with you. But Trey Lance is gonna get every opportunity to be the starter, basically handed the job again.

sure but if TL is struggling in July and Darnold is on fire; KS may have to reevaluate; point is we don't know, summer is a long way off and it will be up to the guys, they effectively will set the chart with how they look and perform all summer

Has Darnold ever been on fire? A few folks on here say he was on fire this past season right before getting benched.

Trey has some serious talent, and he's smart. I don't think Darnold is on Trey's level and he never will be.

talent wise they are both #3 overall right

one got drafted into an ELITE org
the other got drafted to trash town

I don't think TL would light the world on fire with Adam Gase.. yet to do it with Kyle Shanahan
just sayin

If you were drafted #3 overall you were not drafted by an elite org, you were drafted by a team that earned the #3 overall pick. In our case we did trade from #12 but we did earn the #12 pick.

With that said, do you think there is team in the league that would have traded 2 first rounders while using a total of 3 first round picks on Sam Darnold? Thats what we did for Lance. Lance is much more than a #3 overall pick to us, in fact if he doesn't pan out someone might get fired.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Koldo:
I'm not 100% confident Trey can beat out Darnold for QB2.

If it were a straight up QB competition, I agree with you. But Trey Lance is gonna get every opportunity to be the starter, basically handed the job again.

sure but if TL is struggling in July and Darnold is on fire; KS may have to reevaluate; point is we don't know, summer is a long way off and it will be up to the guys, they effectively will set the chart with how they look and perform all summer

Has Darnold ever been on fire? A few folks on here say he was on fire this past season right before getting benched.

Trey has some serious talent, and he's smart. I don't think Darnold is on Trey's level and he never will be.

talent wise they are both #3 overall right

one got drafted into an ELITE org
the other got drafted to trash town

I don't think TL would light the world on fire with Adam Gase.. yet to do it with Kyle Shanahan
just sayin

If you were drafted #3 overall you were not drafted by an elite org, you were drafted by a team that earned the #3 overall pick. In our case we did trade from #12 but we did earn the #12 pick.

With that said, do you think there is team in the league that would have traded 2 first rounders while using a total of 3 first round picks on Sam Darnold? Thats what we did for Lance. Lance is much more than a #3 overall pick to us, in fact if he doesn't pan out someone might get fired.

The Jets did trade up to #3 to select Darnold. Don't remember the exact terms but I don't think the price was as steep as what we paid.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Koldo:
I'm not 100% confident Trey can beat out Darnold for QB2.

If it were a straight up QB competition, I agree with you. But Trey Lance is gonna get every opportunity to be the starter, basically handed the job again.

sure but if TL is struggling in July and Darnold is on fire; KS may have to reevaluate; point is we don't know, summer is a long way off and it will be up to the guys, they effectively will set the chart with how they look and perform all summer

Has Darnold ever been on fire? A few folks on here say he was on fire this past season right before getting benched.

Trey has some serious talent, and he's smart. I don't think Darnold is on Trey's level and he never will be.

talent wise they are both #3 overall right

one got drafted into an ELITE org
the other got drafted to trash town

I don't think TL would light the world on fire with Adam Gase.. yet to do it with Kyle Shanahan
just sayin

If you were drafted #3 overall you were not drafted by an elite org, you were drafted by a team that earned the #3 overall pick. In our case we did trade from #12 but we did earn the #12 pick.

With that said, do you think there is team in the league that would have traded 2 first rounders while using a total of 3 first round picks on Sam Darnold? Thats what we did for Lance. Lance is much more than a #3 overall pick to us, in fact if he doesn't pan out someone might get fired.

It would suck, but if Trey doesn't pan out because of Purdy then I think all will be forgiven.

The only thing that matters is you have "The Guy". 3rd overall, Mr Irrelevant, 3rd rounder, whatever. If you have him then you have him.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
It would suck, but if Trey doesn't pan out because of Purdy then I think all will be forgiven.

The only thing that matters is you have "The Guy". 3rd overall, Mr Irrelevant, 3rd rounder, whatever. If you have him then you have him.

100% this.

It's like people who b***h about first round whiffs but then conveniently forget we got the likes of Kittle in the 5th round.

Every single regime fails at certain picks. The key is to hit on enough of them, whether that be first round, 5th round, Mr Irrelevant, whatever.

Originally posted by KiwiM3:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

It would suck, but if Trey doesn't pan out because of Purdy then I think all will be forgiven.

The only thing that matters is you have "The Guy". 3rd overall, Mr Irrelevant, 3rd rounder, whatever. If you have him then you have him.

100% this.

It's like people who b***h about first round whiffs but then conveniently forget we got the likes of Kittle in the 5th round.

Every single regime fails at certain picks. The key is to hit on enough of them, whether that be first round, 5th round, Mr Irrelevant, whatever.

It's because Mr Irrelevants and 5th round picks are more like gambles. They are players that our FO didn't think would be what they are and didn't mind missing out on. We've made a living off gambling so far, but that's not reliable.

The trade ups for Kyles "must have" guys like Lance, Pettis, Joe Williams, Beathard along with whiffing so much in the first is definitely concerning

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by KiwiM3:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
It would suck, but if Trey doesn't pan out because of Purdy then I think all will be forgiven.

The only thing that matters is you have "The Guy". 3rd overall, Mr Irrelevant, 3rd rounder, whatever. If you have him then you have him.

100% this.

It's like people who b***h about first round whiffs but then conveniently forget we got the likes of Kittle in the 5th round.

Every single regime fails at certain picks. The key is to hit on enough of them, whether that be first round, 5th round, Mr Irrelevant, whatever.

It's because Mr Irrelevants and 5th round picks are more like gambles. They are players that our FO didn't think would be what they are and didn't mind missing out on. We've made a living off gambling so far, but that's not reliable.

The trade ups for Kyles "must have" guys like Lance, Pettis, Joe Williams, Beathard along with whiffing so much in the first is definitely concerning

Ya definitely concerning. We only have one of the best rosters in the league.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by KiwiM3:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

It would suck, but if Trey doesn't pan out because of Purdy then I think all will be forgiven.

The only thing that matters is you have "The Guy". 3rd overall, Mr Irrelevant, 3rd rounder, whatever. If you have him then you have him.

100% this.

It's like people who b***h about first round whiffs but then conveniently forget we got the likes of Kittle in the 5th round.

Every single regime fails at certain picks. The key is to hit on enough of them, whether that be first round, 5th round, Mr Irrelevant, whatever.

It's because Mr Irrelevants and 5th round picks are more like gambles. They are players that our FO didn't think would be what they are and didn't mind missing out on. We've made a living off gambling so far, but that's not reliable.

The trade ups for Kyles "must have" guys like Lance, Pettis, Joe Williams, Beathard along with whiffing so much in the first is definitely concerning

Ya definitely concerning. We only have one of the best rosters in the league.

Getting lucky on 5th rounders and the last pick is f**king awesome, but like I said I don't see it as sustainable. I think they need to start hitting more on their 1st rounders and guys they really want and trade up for (Pettis, Joe Williams, etc) because our late round luck could easily run out

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by KiwiM3:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
It would suck, but if Trey doesn't pan out because of Purdy then I think all will be forgiven.

The only thing that matters is you have "The Guy". 3rd overall, Mr Irrelevant, 3rd rounder, whatever. If you have him then you have him.

100% this.

It's like people who b***h about first round whiffs but then conveniently forget we got the likes of Kittle in the 5th round.

Every single regime fails at certain picks. The key is to hit on enough of them, whether that be first round, 5th round, Mr Irrelevant, whatever.

It's because Mr Irrelevants and 5th round picks are more like gambles. They are players that our FO didn't think would be what they are and didn't mind missing out on. We've made a living off gambling so far, but that's not reliable.

The trade ups for Kyles "must have" guys like Lance, Pettis, Joe Williams, Beathard along with whiffing so much in the first is definitely concerning

Ya definitely concerning. We only have one of the best rosters in the league.

Getting lucky on 5th rounders and the last pick is f**king awesome, but like I said I don't see it as sustainable. I think they need to start hitting more on their 1st rounders and guys they really want and trade up for (Pettis, Joe Williams, etc) because our late round luck could easily run out

I think we hit too often on R4+ picks for it to be purely luck. If anything I think our early rounders have been a little too reach for need at times rather than BPA.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by KiwiM3:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

It would suck, but if Trey doesn't pan out because of Purdy then I think all will be forgiven.

The only thing that matters is you have "The Guy". 3rd overall, Mr Irrelevant, 3rd rounder, whatever. If you have him then you have him.

100% this.

It's like people who b***h about first round whiffs but then conveniently forget we got the likes of Kittle in the 5th round.

Every single regime fails at certain picks. The key is to hit on enough of them, whether that be first round, 5th round, Mr Irrelevant, whatever.

It's because Mr Irrelevants and 5th round picks are more like gambles. They are players that our FO didn't think would be what they are and didn't mind missing out on. We've made a living off gambling so far, but that's not reliable.

The trade ups for Kyles "must have" guys like Lance, Pettis, Joe Williams, Beathard along with whiffing so much in the first is definitely concerning

Ya definitely concerning. We only have one of the best rosters in the league.

Getting lucky on 5th rounders and the last pick is f**king awesome, but like I said I don't see it as sustainable. I think they need to start hitting more on their 1st rounders and guys they really want and trade up for (Pettis, Joe Williams, etc) because our late round luck could easily run out

I think we hit too often on R4+ picks for it to be purely luck. If anything I think our early rounders have been a little too reach for need at times rather than BPA.

The later in the draft, the more luck is involved. These are guys that have been passed on multiple times at that point.

It's even more evident by their misses in the 1st and on their trade ups. If they were really that good, they wouldn't whiff so damn bad on those

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by KiwiM3:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
It would suck, but if Trey doesn't pan out because of Purdy then I think all will be forgiven.

The only thing that matters is you have "The Guy". 3rd overall, Mr Irrelevant, 3rd rounder, whatever. If you have him then you have him.

100% this.

It's like people who b***h about first round whiffs but then conveniently forget we got the likes of Kittle in the 5th round.

Every single regime fails at certain picks. The key is to hit on enough of them, whether that be first round, 5th round, Mr Irrelevant, whatever.

It's because Mr Irrelevants and 5th round picks are more like gambles. They are players that our FO didn't think would be what they are and didn't mind missing out on. We've made a living off gambling so far, but that's not reliable.

The trade ups for Kyles "must have" guys like Lance, Pettis, Joe Williams, Beathard along with whiffing so much in the first is definitely concerning

Ya definitely concerning. We only have one of the best rosters in the league.

Getting lucky on 5th rounders and the last pick is f**king awesome, but like I said I don't see it as sustainable. I think they need to start hitting more on their 1st rounders and guys they really want and trade up for (Pettis, Joe Williams, etc) because our late round luck could easily run out

I think we hit too often on R4+ picks for it to be purely luck. If anything I think our early rounders have been a little too reach for need at times rather than BPA.

The later in the draft, the more luck is involved. These are guys that have been passed on multiple times at that point.

It's even more evident by their misses in the 1st and on their trade ups. If they were really that good, they wouldn't whiff so damn bad on those

Like I said, hit too often for it to be purely luck.

Our biggest 1st round whiffs have been reaching for need over BPA (Thomas, Kinlaw etc).

I'm just really not concerned about our luck "running out".

Originally posted by KiwiM3:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
It would suck, but if Trey doesn't pan out because of Purdy then I think all will be forgiven.

The only thing that matters is you have "The Guy". 3rd overall, Mr Irrelevant, 3rd rounder, whatever. If you have him then you have him.

100% this.

It's like people who b***h about first round whiffs but then conveniently forget we got the likes of Kittle in the 5th round.

Every single regime fails at certain picks. The key is to hit on enough of them, whether that be first round, 5th round, Mr Irrelevant, whatever.

The only top 3 pick we know we have got it right on in the Shannahan Lynch era is Bosa.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by KiwiM3:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

It would suck, but if Trey doesn't pan out because of Purdy then I think all will be forgiven.

The only thing that matters is you have "The Guy". 3rd overall, Mr Irrelevant, 3rd rounder, whatever. If you have him then you have him.

100% this.

It's like people who b***h about first round whiffs but then conveniently forget we got the likes of Kittle in the 5th round.

Every single regime fails at certain picks. The key is to hit on enough of them, whether that be first round, 5th round, Mr Irrelevant, whatever.

It's because Mr Irrelevants and 5th round picks are more like gambles. They are players that our FO didn't think would be what they are and didn't mind missing out on. We've made a living off gambling so far, but that's not reliable.

The trade ups for Kyles "must have" guys like Lance, Pettis, Joe Williams, Beathard along with whiffing so much in the first is definitely concerning

Ya definitely concerning. We only have one of the best rosters in the league.

Getting lucky on 5th rounders and the last pick is f**king awesome, but like I said I don't see it as sustainable. I think they need to start hitting more on their 1st rounders and guys they really want and trade up for (Pettis, Joe Williams, etc) because our late round luck could easily run out

I think we hit too often on R4+ picks for it to be purely luck. If anything I think our early rounders have been a little too reach for need at times rather than BPA.

The later in the draft, the more luck is involved. These are guys that have been passed on multiple times at that point.

It's even more evident by their misses in the 1st and on their trade ups. If they were really that good, they wouldn't whiff so damn bad on those

Like I said, hit too often for it to be purely luck.

Our biggest 1st round whiffs have been reaching for need over BPA (Thomas, Kinlaw etc).

I'm just really not concerned about our luck "running out".

It's not purely luck, there's just more luck involved, especially when we're hitting on the last pick. Some guys like Kittle just come out and exceed everyone's expectations. It's not anything we predicted (or we would've traded up like Beathard to grab him), it's a lot of luck

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by KiwiM3:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
It would suck, but if Trey doesn't pan out because of Purdy then I think all will be forgiven.

The only thing that matters is you have "The Guy". 3rd overall, Mr Irrelevant, 3rd rounder, whatever. If you have him then you have him.

100% this.

It's like people who b***h about first round whiffs but then conveniently forget we got the likes of Kittle in the 5th round.

Every single regime fails at certain picks. The key is to hit on enough of them, whether that be first round, 5th round, Mr Irrelevant, whatever.

The only top 3 pick we know we have got it right on in the Shannahan Lynch era is Bosa.

Yeah.....and Bosa was BPA, Thomas was not.

We're more likely to reach in our early rounds for need, but in later rounds we target types that fit our system and develop them.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by KiwiM3:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
It would suck, but if Trey doesn't pan out because of Purdy then I think all will be forgiven.

The only thing that matters is you have "The Guy". 3rd overall, Mr Irrelevant, 3rd rounder, whatever. If you have him then you have him.

100% this.

It's like people who b***h about first round whiffs but then conveniently forget we got the likes of Kittle in the 5th round.

Every single regime fails at certain picks. The key is to hit on enough of them, whether that be first round, 5th round, Mr Irrelevant, whatever.

It's because Mr Irrelevants and 5th round picks are more like gambles. They are players that our FO didn't think would be what they are and didn't mind missing out on. We've made a living off gambling so far, but that's not reliable.

The trade ups for Kyles "must have" guys like Lance, Pettis, Joe Williams, Beathard along with whiffing so much in the first is definitely concerning

Ya definitely concerning. We only have one of the best rosters in the league.

Getting lucky on 5th rounders and the last pick is f**king awesome, but like I said I don't see it as sustainable. I think they need to start hitting more on their 1st rounders and guys they really want and trade up for (Pettis, Joe Williams, etc) because our late round luck could easily run out

I think we hit too often on R4+ picks for it to be purely luck. If anything I think our early rounders have been a little too reach for need at times rather than BPA.

The later in the draft, the more luck is involved. These are guys that have been passed on multiple times at that point.

It's even more evident by their misses in the 1st and on their trade ups. If they were really that good, they wouldn't whiff so damn bad on those

Like I said, hit too often for it to be purely luck.

Our biggest 1st round whiffs have been reaching for need over BPA (Thomas, Kinlaw etc).

I'm just really not concerned about our luck "running out".

Is pure luck being used to discredit Shanahan/Lynch for building a top 5 roster every season?

I think you are right. They reach in the early rounds trying to fill roster needs. It has happened on about 50% of their 1st round selections. That probably leads to drafting guys that either aren't exactly high character guys or have some injury issues coming into the league. With the later round guys that they always seem to hit on are probably those high character guys who may lack that high round raw talent but are more developable. I don't find those mid-late round picks pure luck. I think it has more to do with them being a better scheme fit and our coaches doing a great job developing them.