Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I've seen race suggested as the reason people are not fans of Trey. I thought that was absolutely ridiculous. If you remember me from the Kap/Alex days you would know that's not me

It for sure is a thing. Not saying it's either of you.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
My thing before the 21 draft was this. We'll say we throw the ball 30 times a game. only 4 of those were "off-schedule" type plays. I wanted the QB who was the better player on the 26 "scheduled" plays instead of the guy better on the 4 "off-schedule" plays. That's how I looked at it.

You guys wanted a guy who can do both. I too wanted that guy. However, I didn't view Trey as being that guy. I still don't view him as the guy I'd want on those 26 on scheduled plays. With that said, watching Brock made me realize how important those 4 plays can actually be. I honestly understand that desire now after watching him. Though, I think it's obviously most effective when you have a guy who is also good on the regular stuff too.

That's fair. It was also about having a QB that can use the whole field. That wasn't a Jimmy option. It was time to move on from him.

You can learn the scheduled stuff as you develop. It's not like couldn't do any of that. People in here act like there was zero from lance there which isn't true.

That is always the hope. Yet it doesn't always materialize.

Originally posted by krizay:
That is always the hope. Yet it doesn't always materialize.

True, but you can't improve until you play though. Like I said it's a process and some won't even let it happen. Literally they'd rather have Darnold who we know can't.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Lance could be a bad QB but he could also be a good one. He hasn't played because during his rookie season our coaches liked Jimmy G (or because of JG's contract at the time) and then because of a broken ankle.

Has he been developed?

You could be right and both the #2 & #3 picks in that draft may be busts but I don't know how a guy that hasn't played can be labeled a bust.

People act like when he did play that is was all trash…which is objectively false. No he wasn't Mahomes out the gate, but no has even been that.

people forget how incredibly young the kid is and was when he played his only yr in college (19).

maybe he will never be our guy, but we will never know until he actually gets to play meaningful football. Shocking for some (mainly the ones that loved Jimmy or hated the pick).

I find it hard to believe that the hatred is football related after just 4 games.

All Facts

This makes no sense. If this was true then they would hate majority of the team. Why can't it boil down to the type of playing style you prefer? If Trey Lance was on another team would the same posters view Lance like they do now or like say Paxton Lynch? Who himself only had 4 starts in 2 years and has only thrown 20 something odd passes more than Trey.

Not everything has to be about race. I'm willing to bet that the majority of us "haters" like some variation of Fields, Young and/or Stroud. While al ot of us "haters" likely view Anthony Richardson in the same lens as Trey.

I've seen race suggested as the reason people are not fans of Trey. I thought that was absolutely ridiculous. If you remember me from the Kap/Alex days you would know that's not me

There is no doubt a small minority of posters and i mean very small that may look at that in that aspect. I can't imagine there being more than a handful.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I've seen race suggested as the reason people are not fans of Trey. I thought that was absolutely ridiculous. If you remember me from the Kap/Alex days you would know that's not me

Krizay is the one who brought up race. I simple suggested the dislike was beyond football. That could be for religious reasons, personality, the school he went to, etc. Again, I find it hard to believe that the hatred is football related after only 4 games.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Krizay is the one who brought up race. I simple suggested the dislike was beyond football. That could be for religious reasons, personality, the school he went to, etc. Again, I find it hard to believe that the hatred is football related after only 4 games.

I will backup Krizay and say it's what he values at the QB. not the color of his skin.

but you are correct there enough people that have issues with Lance outside of just how he plays football.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
True, but you can't improve until you play though. Like I said it's a process and some won't even let it happen. Literally they'd rather have Darnold who we know can't.

But we don't know if he can or can't either though. It is my belief that every QB ahs a system. This very well could be his system. Also, he too never got to play with Kittle or CMC. or Deebo & Aiyuk for that matter. So we don't know what Sam can be with us. There is a legit possibility that he fits this system better than Trey.

Let's look at it like this, If Brock and Trey had an open competition for all 32 teams. Trey may be the better QB for 25 of them. Brock IMO is the better QB here. I know you were talking Darnold but we haven't seen him play here so it's impossible to debate. But it's feasible to think that he too COULD be a better fit. As you said, we don't know that yet. But that goes both ways.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I've seen race suggested as the reason people are not fans of Trey. I thought that was absolutely ridiculous. If you remember me from the Kap/Alex days you would know that's not me

Krizay is the one who brought up race. I simple suggested the dislike was beyond football. That could be for religious reasons, personality, the school he went to, etc. Again, I find it hard to believe that the hatred is football related after only 4 games.

religious reason? school he went to? Not sure how anyone could hate Trey the person. Which brings us back to your insinuation.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I've seen race suggested as the reason people are not fans of Trey. I thought that was absolutely ridiculous. If you remember me from the Kap/Alex days you would know that's not me

Krizay is the one who brought up race. I simple suggested the dislike was beyond football. That could be for religious reasons, personality, the school he went to, etc. Again, I find it hard to believe that the hatred is football related after only 4 games.

religious reason? school he went to? Not sure how anyone could hate Trey the person. Which brings us back to your insinuation.

And what insinuation is that?

I would say that it´s more a "I told you so and I was right." problem than a race´s one concerning Trey Lance.
I´m really impressed by the ability of people to know if someone is a bust or not with so little sample size.
Nobody knows who Trey Lance is and I would say even the organization doesn´t until Trey has a shot and I´m not talking him being used like a battering ram like against the Cardinals last year.

I mean even Shanahan doesn´t really know if Lance has it or not. He didn´t know Purdy was this good in the first place. If Kyle knew that his offense would be so explosive with Purdy, Brock would have been the starter by midseason at the very least.
At some point there´s things you can only see in a game situation.
And that´s the problem for Trey. He´s in a team that is desperated to win the Superbowl and there´s already on the roster a young QB that was awesome in big games situations in the POs.

That´s why I hope Trey is the starter for the first few weeks until Brock comes back. This way, we could have a better feeling about what Trey can do or not and that goes for Kyle too.
So Sam Darnold shouldn´t be the starter week one. That would be stupid. We know what Sam Darnold is. He´s an inaccurate QB that takes terrible decisions at time and a turnover machine. I´m still trying to understand why Kyle loves him knowing how he hates turnovers specially at the QB position. But as a third stringer, I´m fine with Sam. I´d much rather have him than another statue "that knows the system well". But he hasn´t been very good so far let´s be honest apart from his run at the end of this season. Baker Mayfield beat him for the starter position. So you get nothing by having him be the starter until Brock comes back. Let Trey be the man and gives him the chance. Maybe he will absolutely suck, sure, but maybe not. And most importantly the Niners would have an answer and would know if they should give Trey his 5th year contract and keep him in the future.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I've seen race suggested as the reason people are not fans of Trey. I thought that was absolutely ridiculous. If you remember me from the Kap/Alex days you would know that's not me

Krizay is the one who brought up race. I simple suggested the dislike was beyond football. That could be for religious reasons, personality, the school he went to, etc. Again, I find it hard to believe that the hatred is football related after only 4 games.

I've seen race specifically be suggested as the reason for his "hate". I do see a lot of correlation between Jimmy/Alex fans and Kap/Trey fans but that can be attributed to play styles.

Some people really love the purgatory checkdown kings put you in because their efficiency stats look pretty. I personally don't enjoy the checkdown purgatory, but I still don't see it in Trey.

I look at the 4 games and there's nothing there that says he's going to be worth 3 firsts. How many greats went 4 games showing nothing special? I watch the interviews and the way teammates talk about him. Kyles play calling when he's in. His offseason and play against preseason defenses/backups. There's so much saying he's not ready, and on a team that is ready that won't fly

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I've seen race suggested as the reason people are not fans of Trey. I thought that was absolutely ridiculous. If you remember me from the Kap/Alex days you would know that's not me

Krizay is the one who brought up race. I simple suggested the dislike was beyond football. That could be for religious reasons, personality, the school he went to, etc. Again, I find it hard to believe that the hatred is football related after only 4 games.

I've seen race specifically be suggested as the reason for his "hate". I do see a lot of correlation between Jimmy/Alex fans and Kap/Trey fans but that can be attributed to play styles.

Some people really love the purgatory checkdown kings put you in because their efficiency stats look pretty. I personally don't enjoy the checkdown purgatory, but I still don't see it in Trey.

I look at the 4 games and there's nothing there that says he's going to be worth 3 firsts. How many greats went 4 games showing nothing special? I watch the interviews and the way teammates talk about him. Kyles play calling when he's in. His offseason and play against preseason defenses/backups. There's so much saying he's not ready, and on a team that is ready that won't fly

As far as looking like an all pro out of the gate. I guess you never watched guys like Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen early in their careers? If you did, you would be showing a lot more patience with Trey Lance.

I have seen Trey fit the ball into some tight windows (between 3 defenders). I have seen him escape pressure and make some great plays with his legs as well as his arm. His pressure to sack rate is the lowest on this team (11.9%) out of any QB since he was drafted. He is intelligent, humble and has all the physical tools to make it in this league. Saying he hasn't done anything in those 4 games is a load of crap.

Originally posted by krizay:
But we don't know if he can or can't either though. It is my belief that every QB ahs a system. This very well could be his system. Also, he too never got to play with Kittle or CMC. or Deebo & Aiyuk for that matter. So we don't know what Sam can be with us. There is a legit possibility that he fits this system better than Trey.

Let's look at it like this, If Brock and Trey had an open competition for all 32 teams. Trey may be the better QB for 25 of them. Brock IMO is the better QB here. I know you were talking Darnold but we haven't seen him play here so it's impossible to debate. But it's feasible to think that he too COULD be a better fit. As you said, we don't know that yet. But that goes both ways.

IMO there was flashes of him playing well in the pocket. Reading coverages, manipulating safeties with his eyes, making correct reads etc. it wasn't consistent, but no one should have expected that out of the gate.

it's a learned trait, you're not born good at playing QB. I'll bet money if Brock didn't have 4 years of starts under his belt he would have looked MUCH different. IMO it's not about what you can do from day 1 it's what you can become down the road.

Sam is a very inaccurate QB after having 5 yrs and over 50 starts. He hasn't improved at reading the field. He is awful when pressured. The only thing he fits with here is he can run bootlegs and throw outside of the pocket. He's not a rhythm passer at all and he's had years to work on that.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
He just said, until he wins a Super Bowl nothing matters and that's pretty much in reference to Purdy. So Purdy going 8-1 last season means nothing to him?? Brock Purdy is a much better QB than the mistake he says he made with Jimmy G. Brock Purdy has not only shown that he takes chances downfield, makes plays outta the pocket but most of all has shown he can run Shanahan's offense consistently.

He went on a good run and I applaud him for that. Now hes had an injury on his throwing arm and its a new year. For sure, I'm not handing him the keys already. This isn't necessarily because I'm pro Lance either. If Purdy shows up in August and looks great, then maybe I'll consider it. But something tells me that the Niners PR staff is lying about the time table again and we'll start hearing that hes got a "setback" or something later during preseason and he'll start the year on IR. They always do this. And not to mention, even if he does look good in practice, he might not be the same anymore in a real game.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I've seen race suggested as the reason people are not fans of Trey. I thought that was absolutely ridiculous. If you remember me from the Kap/Alex days you would know that's not me

Krizay is the one who brought up race. I simple suggested the dislike was beyond football. That could be for religious reasons, personality, the school he went to, etc. Again, I find it hard to believe that the hatred is football related after only 4 games.

I've seen race specifically be suggested as the reason for his "hate". I do see a lot of correlation between Jimmy/Alex fans and Kap/Trey fans but that can be attributed to play styles.

Some people really love the purgatory checkdown kings put you in because their efficiency stats look pretty. I personally don't enjoy the checkdown purgatory, but I still don't see it in Trey.

I look at the 4 games and there's nothing there that says he's going to be worth 3 firsts. How many greats went 4 games showing nothing special? I watch the interviews and the way teammates talk about him. Kyles play calling when he's in. His offseason and play against preseason defenses/backups. There's so much saying he's not ready, and on a team that is ready that won't fly

As far as looking like an all pro out of the gate. I guess you never watched guys like Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen early in their careers? If you did, you would be showing a lot more patience with Trey Lance.

I have seen Trey fit the ball into some tight windows (between 3 defenders). I have seen him escape pressure and make some great plays with his legs as well as his arm. His pressure to sack rate is the lowest on this team (11.9%) out of any QB since he was drafted. He is intelligent, humble and has all the physical tools to make it in this league. Saying he hasn't done anything in those 4 games is a load of crap.

They weren't what they are now, but I think Hurts and Allen showed more than Trey in their first 4 starts. I remember people grabbing Hurts in fantasy after his first or second start because he was showing production. He definitely showed more than Trey in the beginning.

The things I see from Trey are things I've seen Zach Wilson do. A couple nice plays a game surrounded by awful play