Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

The difference between Lance and just about everyone else, besides maybe trubisky, is that everyone has played more games than lance in just their high school career. That's what worries me. He's just ridiculously inexperienced and in jury prone (so far). The question becomes how long do we wait? I don't want another Alex smith situation time wise and waste a decade.

i think Trey is a wonderful young man from a great family. He's very sharp and works hard, I don't think he will ever be a bad qb. lol I do question how great he can be though. He's still young and may become a great player as it's way too early for anyone to tell.

What we saw from Purdy is what you want your qb to do, at least in my eyes. Then again, I think the whole running with Your qb thing is a joke. If it was so great, Lamar would of been paid fat a long time ago - as he's hands down the greatest run qb ever already (not stat wise yet but def from an ability standpoint).

I'll be happy if whoever leads us all the way, I just feel more comfortable with a more known commodity in Purdy. That's all.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
First 4 games of extended play.

Jalen Hurts- 53.6% completion, 7.7 YPA, 6 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 81.1 passer rating.

Josh Allen- 53.4% completion, 6.5 YPA, 2 passing TD's, 4 INT's and a 67.0 passer rating.

Trey Lance- 54.1% completion, 7.8 YPA, 4 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 85.5 passer rating.

Where exactly were Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen that much better in their first 4 games of extended play?

I didn't say extended play. You also have to watch the games. Treys stats look comparable but he was saved by some wide open Deebo plays that don't impress me at all. We all know he can make a throw to a wide open player downfield.

You are also leaving out rushing production. I just remember Jalen making some noise when he first came out because of his play. That alone tells me he showed more than Trey to start.

When I say extended play. I mean that I excluded the first set of games that only included a snap or two per game. Trey had 2 of those games and Josh and Jalen had a handful before they saw extended playing time.

Sure. Josh and Jalen never had wide open receivers during their first 4 games. Only Trey did. Also, you are ignoring the tight window and sideline throws that Trey has made. I am sure Jalen and Josh had some of those as well. So stop acting like Trey had it so much easier than they did to start their careers. Nothing Trey has shown has been any worse than those guys and he has the same tools mentally as well as physically.

The thing with Trey is his numbers literally depend on those plays. It would look pathetic without them honestly. I don't ignore the tight window throws just like nobody ignored Zach Wilson's. The body of work speaks for itself so far

It sure does. And it is no different than Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen early in their careers. Using examples of Deebo being wide open twice as a way to downplay my comparison while assuming Jalen and Josh never had those same benefits is misleading. It makes me wonder if you even watched those first 4 games of Hurts and Allen. Because if you haven't than your argument is invalid.

Bingo

Maybe they should go watch some early Allen tape. Or Hurts. Or McNabb. Or McNair….s**t ain't pretty.

And acting like they were making magically throws and didn't get layups is beyond stupid. Like Brock didn't dump off balls to Deebo for 75 yard TDs or anything lol.

like I said people paint a picture of one prospect for ulterior motives.

Originally posted by tankle104:
The difference between Lance and just about everyone else, besides maybe trubisky, is that everyone has played more games than lance in just their high school career. That's what worries me. He's just ridiculously inexperienced and in jury prone (so far). The question becomes how long do we wait? I don't want another Alex smith situation time wise and waste a decade.

i think Trey is a wonderful young man from a great family. Hers very sharp and works hard, I don't think he will ever be a bad qb. lol I do question how great he can be though. He's still young and may become a great player as it's way too early for anyone to tell.

What we saw from Purdy is what you want your qb to do, at least in my eyes. Then again, I think the whole running with Your qb thing is a joke. If it was so great, Lamar would of been paid fat a long time ago - as he's hands down the greatest run qb ever already (not stat wise yet but def from an ability standpoint).

I'll be happy if whoever leads us all the way, I just feel more comfortable with a more known commodity in Purdy. That's all.

Purdy might be more known than Lance at this point but both are still very unknown commodities overall.

Let the chips fall where the may. Best man win.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
First 4 games of extended play.

Jalen Hurts- 53.6% completion, 7.7 YPA, 6 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 81.1 passer rating.

Josh Allen- 53.4% completion, 6.5 YPA, 2 passing TD's, 4 INT's and a 67.0 passer rating.

Trey Lance- 54.1% completion, 7.8 YPA, 4 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 85.5 passer rating.

Where exactly were Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen that much better in their first 4 games of extended play?

I didn't say extended play. You also have to watch the games. Treys stats look comparable but he was saved by some wide open Deebo plays that don't impress me at all. We all know he can make a throw to a wide open player downfield.

You are also leaving out rushing production. I just remember Jalen making some noise when he first came out because of his play. That alone tells me he showed more than Trey to start.

When I say extended play. I mean that I excluded the first set of games that only included a snap or two per game. Trey had 2 of those games and Josh and Jalen had a handful before they saw extended playing time.

Sure. Josh and Jalen never had wide open receivers during their first 4 games. Only Trey did. Also, you are ignoring the tight window and sideline throws that Trey has made. I am sure Jalen and Josh had some of those as well. So stop acting like Trey had it so much easier than they did to start their careers. Nothing Trey has shown has been any worse than those guys and he has the same tools mentally as well as physically.

The thing with Trey is his numbers literally depend on those plays. It would look pathetic without them honestly. I don't ignore the tight window throws just like nobody ignored Zach Wilson's. The body of work speaks for itself so far

What would Jimmy's numbers look like without those wide open receivers coming across the middle 5 or 10 yards upfield and the YAC that often followed. All teams that have an offense similar to the 49ers rely a lot on the short passing game.

Why bring Jimmy into this he's a Raider now, move on man.

Because you can use that argument for every QB that plays in Kyle's system. Jimmy happened to be here for the past 5 years.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bingo

Maybe they should go watch some early Allen tape. Or Hurts. Or McNabb. Or McNair….s**t ain't pretty.

And acting like they were making magically throws and didn't get layups is beyond stupid. Like Brock didn't dump off balls to Deebo for 75 yard TDs or anything lol.

like I said people paint a picture of one prospect for ulterior motives.

It's just guys that want to be right about a prospect more than the 9ers having success.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
The difference between Lance and just about everyone else, besides maybe trubisky, is that everyone has played more games than lance in just their high school career. That's what worries me. He's just ridiculously inexperienced and in jury prone (so far). The question becomes how long do we wait? I don't want another Alex smith situation time wise and waste a decade.

i think Trey is a wonderful young man from a great family. Hers very sharp and works hard, I don't think he will ever be a bad qb. lol I do question how great he can be though. He's still young and may become a great player as it's way too early for anyone to tell.

What we saw from Purdy is what you want your qb to do, at least in my eyes. Then again, I think the whole running with Your qb thing is a joke. If it was so great, Lamar would of been paid fat a long time ago - as he's hands down the greatest run qb ever already (not stat wise yet but def from an ability standpoint).

I'll be happy if whoever leads us all the way, I just feel more comfortable with a more known commodity in Purdy. That's all.

Purdy might be more known than Lance at this point but both are still very unknown commodities overall.

Let the chips fall where the may. Best man win.

If we can get a true franchise qb out of either. I'll be over the moon happy. I don't hate Lance or anything like that, but I don't have the same confidence in him as others. I'll gladly eat crow though - it would be f**kin tasty to eat crow about a FQB.

I think that it won't matter as much if Lance wins the games he starts, it'll matter more how he looks doing it. We KNOW, from shanahan and lynch that Purdy executes the offense to near perfection when it comes to playing the play how Kyle wants it, that's what I'll keep my eyes on. I always felt that was kyles gripe with Jimmy.

it'll be really interesting to see how Lance responds with Purdy breathing down his neck and his performance under a microscope. He hasn't had that yet. He's a tough kid and I expect he will handle it well, but that's what I'll be watching for.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
First 4 games of extended play.

Jalen Hurts- 53.6% completion, 7.7 YPA, 6 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 81.1 passer rating.

Josh Allen- 53.4% completion, 6.5 YPA, 2 passing TD's, 4 INT's and a 67.0 passer rating.

Trey Lance- 54.1% completion, 7.8 YPA, 4 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 85.5 passer rating.

Where exactly were Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen that much better in their first 4 games of extended play?

I didn't say extended play. You also have to watch the games. Treys stats look comparable but he was saved by some wide open Deebo plays that don't impress me at all. We all know he can make a throw to a wide open player downfield.

You are also leaving out rushing production. I just remember Jalen making some noise when he first came out because of his play. That alone tells me he showed more than Trey to start.

When I say extended play. I mean that I excluded the first set of games that only included a snap or two per game. Trey had 2 of those games and Josh and Jalen had a handful before they saw extended playing time.

Sure. Josh and Jalen never had wide open receivers during their first 4 games. Only Trey did. Also, you are ignoring the tight window and sideline throws that Trey has made. I am sure Jalen and Josh had some of those as well. So stop acting like Trey had it so much easier than they did to start their careers. Nothing Trey has shown has been any worse than those guys and he has the same tools mentally as well as physically.

The thing with Trey is his numbers literally depend on those plays. It would look pathetic without them honestly. I don't ignore the tight window throws just like nobody ignored Zach Wilson's. The body of work speaks for itself so far

It sure does. And it is no different than Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen early in their careers. Using examples of Deebo being wide open twice as a way to downplay my comparison while assuming Jalen and Josh never had those same benefits is misleading. It makes me wonder if you even watched those first 4 games of Hurts and Allen. Because if you haven't than your argument is invalid.

I did watch them play, Hurts more than Allen. You can't take a couple throws away from them and watch their numbers nosedive across the board like treys. Here's an example of how they were talking about Hurts after his first starts. He was better than Trey to start no question

After leading his team to an impressive upset in his debut as a starter, Hurts put up an even more impressive performance in Week 15, albeit ending in a loss. His stat line of 338 passing yards, 3 passing touchdowns, 63 rushing yards, and a rushing touchdown was good for the QB1 performance on the week and the fifth-best quarterback performance of the year!

Jalen threw the ball 44 times in that game and only completed 24 of them. He ended the game with a 102.3 passer rating. Trey in his 2nd start completed nearly 70% of his passes for 10.8 YPA with 2 passing TD's and a 116.0 passer rating in a must win game to keep our playoff hopes alive. Even if you take away the 45 yard reception by Deebo, Trey still completed 68% of his passes for over 9 YPA. So what is your point?

Originally posted by tankle104:
The difference between Lance and just about everyone else, besides maybe trubisky, is that everyone has played more games than lance in just their high school career. That's what worries me. He's just ridiculously inexperienced and in jury prone (so far). The question becomes how long do we wait? I don't want another Alex smith situation time wise and waste a decade.

i think Trey is a wonderful young man from a great family. Hers very sharp and works hard, I don't think he will ever be a bad qb. lol I do question how great he can be though. He's still young and may become a great player as it's way too early for anyone to tell.

What we saw from Purdy is what you want your qb to do, at least in my eyes. Then again, I think the whole running with Your qb thing is a joke. If it was so great, Lamar would of been paid fat a long time ago - as he's hands down the greatest run qb ever already (not stat wise yet but def from an ability standpoint).

I'll be happy if whoever leads us all the way, I just feel more comfortable with a more known commodity in Purdy. That's all.

instead of questioning it…let him play so we can all get an answer. It's not like they couldn't move the ball his last game as a starter. They had 150 yards on his 17 plays vs a playoff team (without Kittle/Mitchell/CMC).

saying Purdy is a "more known commodity" is a bit extreme. He's got 70 more passing attempts. His advantage is he's played more football coming into the league (like you said) that doesn't mean that will equal better long-term success, just that he's seen more football.

regardless Brock isn't part of the convo right now. Dude isn't gonna start week 1 and might even end up on PUP to start the season. I'm more than fine with Brock or Lance…but saying 4 sporadic NFL games is enough to label Lance anything is beyond dumb.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
instead of questioning it…let him play so we can all get an answer. It's not like they couldn't move the ball his last game as a starter. They had 150 yards on his 17 plays vs a playoff team (without Kittle/Mitchell/CMC).

saying Purdy is a "more known commodity" is a bit extreme. He's got 70 more passing attempts. His advantage is he's played more football coming into the league (like you said) that doesn't mean that will equal better long-term success, just that he's seen more football.

regardless Brock isn't part of the convo right now. Dude isn't gonna start week 1 and might even end up on PUP to start the season. I'm more than fine with Brock or Lance…but saying 4 sporadic NFL games is enough to label Lance anything is beyond dumb.

What in the world are you talking about? Why are you defensive about this? All I did was state my opinion? Lol relax.

none of us have any control over what happens, regardless how we feel. All we can do is state our opinions? Lol it's like you want a player to work out so badly that you get upset when anyone questions them.

for what it's worth, I thought Purdy was a wasted draft pick at the time and didn't even bother reading up on him when we did. Sometimes we are wrong, it's sports. Not a big deal. Lol

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
First 4 games of extended play.

Jalen Hurts- 53.6% completion, 7.7 YPA, 6 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 81.1 passer rating.

Josh Allen- 53.4% completion, 6.5 YPA, 2 passing TD's, 4 INT's and a 67.0 passer rating.

Trey Lance- 54.1% completion, 7.8 YPA, 4 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 85.5 passer rating.

Where exactly were Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen that much better in their first 4 games of extended play?

I didn't say extended play. You also have to watch the games. Treys stats look comparable but he was saved by some wide open Deebo plays that don't impress me at all. We all know he can make a throw to a wide open player downfield.

You are also leaving out rushing production. I just remember Jalen making some noise when he first came out because of his play. That alone tells me he showed more than Trey to start.

When I say extended play. I mean that I excluded the first set of games that only included a snap or two per game. Trey had 2 of those games and Josh and Jalen had a handful before they saw extended playing time.

Sure. Josh and Jalen never had wide open receivers during their first 4 games. Only Trey did. Also, you are ignoring the tight window and sideline throws that Trey has made. I am sure Jalen and Josh had some of those as well. So stop acting like Trey had it so much easier than they did to start their careers. Nothing Trey has shown has been any worse than those guys and he has the same tools mentally as well as physically.

The thing with Trey is his numbers literally depend on those plays. It would look pathetic without them honestly. I don't ignore the tight window throws just like nobody ignored Zach Wilson's. The body of work speaks for itself so far

What would Jimmy's numbers look like without those wide open receivers coming across the middle 5 or 10 yards upfield and the YAC that often followed. All teams that have an offense similar to the 49ers rely a lot on the short passing game.

Why bring Jimmy into this he's a Raider now, move on man.

Because you can use that argument for every QB that plays in Kyle's system. Jimmy happened to be here for the past 5 years.

But why not use Brock Purdy, he's the only other QB on the roster that was the previous starter not Jimmy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
instead of questioning it…let him play so we can all get an answer. It's not like they couldn't move the ball his last game as a starter. They had 150 yards on his 17 plays vs a playoff team (without Kittle/Mitchell/CMC).

saying Purdy is a "more known commodity" is a bit extreme. He's got 70 more passing attempts. His advantage is he's played more football coming into the league (like you said) that doesn't mean that will equal better long-term success, just that he's seen more football.

regardless Brock isn't part of the convo right now. Dude isn't gonna start week 1 and might even end up on PUP to start the season. I'm more than fine with Brock or Lance…but saying 4 sporadic NFL games is enough to label Lance anything is beyond dumb.

The most overhyped 150 yds of all time

Didn't Deebo do a Deebo thing and run for a third of that on one play. We scored 0 TDs. Yet I've read 1000 posts about that 13 or so mins of TD-less football like it was the end of SB 23. Let's get a lil fair and balanced. Dude completed 2 passes. I'm all about TL dominating but I can't point to anything from 2022 as the reason why. It's more based on his talent, and the opportunity of seizing this job this offseason year 3 with KS & TL.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bingo

Maybe they should go watch some early Allen tape. Or Hurts. Or McNabb. Or McNair….s**t ain't pretty.

And acting like they were making magically throws and didn't get layups is beyond stupid. Like Brock didn't dump off balls to Deebo for 75 yard TDs or anything lol.

like I said people paint a picture of one prospect for ulterior motives.

It's just guys that want to be right about a prospect more than the 9ers having success.

I will never understand that logic, we have some of the most dumbest "fans" they rather be right than cheer for the guy whose wearing the teams jersey

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Jalen threw the ball 44 times in that game and only completed 24 of them. He ended the game with a 102.3 passer rating. Trey in his 2nd start completed nearly 70% of his passes for 10.8 YPA with 2 passing TD's and a 116.0 passer rating in a must win game to keep our playoff hopes alive. Even if you take away the 45 yard reception by Deebo, Trey still completed 68% of his passes for over 9 YPA. So what is your point?

Like I said dude never watched any of those other guys. Love how he left Allen out… conveniently.

If you just watch Hurts "highlights" from that AZ game. He had over 100 yards and a TD on screens. It was a ton of one on one 50/50 balls for Jeffery, a CB fell leaving him wide open for a massive gain and a bunch of one reads with guys wide open (sound familiar).

Yet an again a ton of hypocrisy.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
First 4 games of extended play.

Jalen Hurts- 53.6% completion, 7.7 YPA, 6 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 81.1 passer rating.

Josh Allen- 53.4% completion, 6.5 YPA, 2 passing TD's, 4 INT's and a 67.0 passer rating.

Trey Lance- 54.1% completion, 7.8 YPA, 4 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 85.5 passer rating.

Where exactly were Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen that much better in their first 4 games of extended play?

I didn't say extended play. You also have to watch the games. Treys stats look comparable but he was saved by some wide open Deebo plays that don't impress me at all. We all know he can make a throw to a wide open player downfield.

You are also leaving out rushing production. I just remember Jalen making some noise when he first came out because of his play. That alone tells me he showed more than Trey to start.

When I say extended play. I mean that I excluded the first set of games that only included a snap or two per game. Trey had 2 of those games and Josh and Jalen had a handful before they saw extended playing time.

Sure. Josh and Jalen never had wide open receivers during their first 4 games. Only Trey did. Also, you are ignoring the tight window and sideline throws that Trey has made. I am sure Jalen and Josh had some of those as well. So stop acting like Trey had it so much easier than they did to start their careers. Nothing Trey has shown has been any worse than those guys and he has the same tools mentally as well as physically.

The thing with Trey is his numbers literally depend on those plays. It would look pathetic without them honestly. I don't ignore the tight window throws just like nobody ignored Zach Wilson's. The body of work speaks for itself so far

What would Jimmy's numbers look like without those wide open receivers coming across the middle 5 or 10 yards upfield and the YAC that often followed. All teams that have an offense similar to the 49ers rely a lot on the short passing game.

Why bring Jimmy into this he's a Raider now, move on man.

Because you can use that argument for every QB that plays in Kyle's system. Jimmy happened to be here for the past 5 years.

But why not use Brock Purdy, he's the only other QB on the roster that was the previous starter not Jimmy.

Brock's favorite targets were CMC and Kittle. Trey has yet to play with CMC and the only game he has played with Kittle he averaged 10.8 YPA, completed 69.6% of his passes and ended the game with a win and a 116.0 passer rating.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The most overhyped 150 yds of all time

Didn't Deebo do a Deebo thing and run for a third of that on one play. We scored 0 TDs. Yet I've read 1000 posts about that 13 or so mins of TD-less football like it was the end of SB 23. Let's get a lil fair and balanced. Dude completed 2 passes. I'm all about TL dominating but I can't point to anything from 2022 as the reason why. It's more based on his talent, and the opportunity of seizing this job this offseason year 3 with KS & TL.

9ers offense scores zero TD's in a playoff game and yet the QB outdueled the competition.