Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
instead of questioning it…let him play so we can all get an answer. It's not like they couldn't move the ball his last game as a starter. They had 150 yards on his 17 plays vs a playoff team (without Kittle/Mitchell/CMC).

saying Purdy is a "more known commodity" is a bit extreme. He's got 70 more passing attempts. His advantage is he's played more football coming into the league (like you said) that doesn't mean that will equal better long-term success, just that he's seen more football.

regardless Brock isn't part of the convo right now. Dude isn't gonna start week 1 and might even end up on PUP to start the season. I'm more than fine with Brock or Lance…but saying 4 sporadic NFL games is enough to label Lance anything is beyond dumb.

The most overhyped 150 yds of all time

Didn't Deebo do a Deebo thing and run for a third of that on one play. We scored 0 TDs. Yet I've read 1000 posts about that 13 or so mins of TD-less football like it was the end of SB 23. Let's get a lil fair and balanced. Dude completed 2 passes. I'm all about TL dominating but I can't point to anything from 2022 as the reason why. It's more based on his talent, and the opportunity of seizing this job this offseason year 3 with KS & TL.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
instead of questioning it…let him play so we can all get an answer. It's not like they couldn't move the ball his last game as a starter. They had 150 yards on his 17 plays vs a playoff team (without Kittle/Mitchell/CMC).

saying Purdy is a "more known commodity" is a bit extreme. He's got 70 more passing attempts. His advantage is he's played more football coming into the league (like you said) that doesn't mean that will equal better long-term success, just that he's seen more football.

regardless Brock isn't part of the convo right now. Dude isn't gonna start week 1 and might even end up on PUP to start the season. I'm more than fine with Brock or Lance…but saying 4 sporadic NFL games is enough to label Lance anything is beyond dumb.

The most overhyped 150 yds of all time

Didn't Deebo do a Deebo thing and run for a third of that on one play. We scored 0 TDs. Yet I've read 1000 posts about that 13 or so mins of TD-less football like it was the end of SB 23. Let's get a lil fair and balanced. Dude completed 2 passes. I'm all about TL dominating but I can't point to anything from 2022 as the reason why. It's more based on his talent, and the opportunity of seizing this job this offseason year 3 with KS & TL.

It's like come on now, keep it real folks.. things I am done with:

1. trade TL convo
2. the 150 yds vs SEA
3. the weather during our games that both teams have to play in

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bingo

Maybe they should go watch some early Allen tape. Or Hurts. Or McNabb. Or McNair….s**t ain't pretty.

And acting like they were making magically throws and didn't get layups is beyond stupid. Like Brock didn't dump off balls to Deebo for 75 yard TDs or anything lol.

like I said people paint a picture of one prospect for ulterior motives.

It's just guys that want to be right about a prospect more than the 9ers having success.

I will never understand that logic, we have some of the most dumbest "fans" they rather be right than cheer for the guy whose wearing the teams jersey

It's ridiculous. Like them being right about something changes anything…guess what the 49ers aren't gonna call ya to be the next GM. You don't earn more brownie points for being right/wrong about someone on a fan forum.

all I want is to see him fail first…and no 100 random passing attempts isn't enough…anyone with half an objective brain would agree.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

First 4 games of extended play.

Jalen Hurts- 53.6% completion, 7.7 YPA, 6 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 81.1 passer rating.

Josh Allen- 53.4% completion, 6.5 YPA, 2 passing TD's, 4 INT's and a 67.0 passer rating.

Trey Lance- 54.1% completion, 7.8 YPA, 4 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 85.5 passer rating.

Where exactly were Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen that much better in their first 4 games of extended play?

I didn't say extended play. You also have to watch the games. Treys stats look comparable but he was saved by some wide open Deebo plays that don't impress me at all. We all know he can make a throw to a wide open player downfield.

You are also leaving out rushing production. I just remember Jalen making some noise when he first came out because of his play. That alone tells me he showed more than Trey to start.

When I say extended play. I mean that I excluded the first set of games that only included a snap or two per game. Trey had 2 of those games and Josh and Jalen had a handful before they saw extended playing time.

Sure. Josh and Jalen never had wide open receivers during their first 4 games. Only Trey did. Also, you are ignoring the tight window and sideline throws that Trey has made. I am sure Jalen and Josh had some of those as well. So stop acting like Trey had it so much easier than they did to start their careers. Nothing Trey has shown has been any worse than those guys and he has the same tools mentally as well as physically.

The thing with Trey is his numbers literally depend on those plays. It would look pathetic without them honestly. I don't ignore the tight window throws just like nobody ignored Zach Wilson's. The body of work speaks for itself so far

It sure does. And it is no different than Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen early in their careers. Using examples of Deebo being wide open twice as a way to downplay my comparison while assuming Jalen and Josh never had those same benefits is misleading. It makes me wonder if you even watched those first 4 games of Hurts and Allen. Because if you haven't than your argument is invalid.

I did watch them play, Hurts more than Allen. You can't take a couple throws away from them and watch their numbers nosedive across the board like treys. Here's an example of how they were talking about Hurts after his first starts. He was better than Trey to start no question

After leading his team to an impressive upset in his debut as a starter, Hurts put up an even more impressive performance in Week 15, albeit ending in a loss. His stat line of 338 passing yards, 3 passing touchdowns, 63 rushing yards, and a rushing touchdown was good for the QB1 performance on the week and the fifth-best quarterback performance of the year!

Jalen threw the ball 44 times in that game and only completed 24 of them. He ended the game with a 102.3 passer rating. Trey in his 2nd start completed nearly 70% of his passes for 10.8 YPA with 2 passing TD's and a 116.0 passer rating in a must win game to keep our playoff hopes alive. Even if you take away the 45 yard reception by Deebo, Trey still completed 68% of his passes for over 9 YPA. So what is your point?

You have to watch the games. Treys game against the Texans looks good on paper, but it wasn't even enough to unseat a banged up Jimmy. Obviously not impressive.

Then you have articles being written by people that actually watched hurts hyping him up

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bingo

Maybe they should go watch some early Allen tape. Or Hurts. Or McNabb. Or McNair….s**t ain't pretty.

And acting like they were making magically throws and didn't get layups is beyond stupid. Like Brock didn't dump off balls to Deebo for 75 yard TDs or anything lol.

like I said people paint a picture of one prospect for ulterior motives.

It's just guys that want to be right about a prospect more than the 9ers having success.

It's always been the same on the Webzone. People get into debates, which turn into nasty personal endeavors. The player is then associated as the foe/villian the member is arguing against and not another poster. They will make claims like "I've got nothing against Player XX" but constantly argue against their ability on our team and takes solace in that player's failure because it makes them right and that's far more important than rooting for and being a fan of the 49ers.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
instead of questioning it…let him play so we can all get an answer. It's not like they couldn't move the ball his last game as a starter. They had 150 yards on his 17 plays vs a playoff team (without Kittle/Mitchell/CMC).

saying Purdy is a "more known commodity" is a bit extreme. He's got 70 more passing attempts. His advantage is he's played more football coming into the league (like you said) that doesn't mean that will equal better long-term success, just that he's seen more football.

regardless Brock isn't part of the convo right now. Dude isn't gonna start week 1 and might even end up on PUP to start the season. I'm more than fine with Brock or Lance…but saying 4 sporadic NFL games is enough to label Lance anything is beyond dumb.

The most overhyped 150 yds of all time

Didn't Deebo do a Deebo thing and run for a third of that on one play. We scored 0 TDs. Yet I've read 1000 posts about that 13 or so mins of TD-less football like it was the end of SB 23. Let's get a lil fair and balanced. Dude completed 2 passes. I'm all about TL dominating but I can't point to anything from 2022 as the reason why. It's more based on his talent, and the opportunity of seizing this job this offseason year 3 with KS & TL.

It's like come on now, keep it real folks.. things I am done with:

1. trade TL convo
2. the 150 yds vs SEA
3. the weather during our games that both teams have to play in

1. Yes, I would love for them to trade Trey Lance, but no they aren't doing it.
2. Totally agree.
3. Absolutely agree, simple logic.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Jalen threw the ball 44 times in that game and only completed 24 of them. He ended the game with a 102.3 passer rating. Trey in his 2nd start completed nearly 70% of his passes for 10.8 YPA with 2 passing TD's and a 116.0 passer rating in a must win game to keep our playoff hopes alive. Even if you take away the 45 yard reception by Deebo, Trey still completed 68% of his passes for over 9 YPA. So what is your point?

Like I said dude never watched any of those other guys. Love how he left Allen out… conveniently.

If you just watch Hurts "highlights" from that AZ game. He had over 100 yards and a TD on screens. It was a ton of one on one 50/50 balls for Jeffery, a CB fell leaving him wide open for a massive gain and a bunch of one reads with guys wide open (sound familiar).

Yet an again a ton of hypocrisy.

Yea. I know. His argument is invalid for reasons you and I have mentioned. His real issue with Trey goes beyond football. That is easily observed by the way he tried but failed to defend those guys after I pointed out the hypocrisy.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
First 4 games of extended play.

Jalen Hurts- 53.6% completion, 7.7 YPA, 6 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 81.1 passer rating.

Josh Allen- 53.4% completion, 6.5 YPA, 2 passing TD's, 4 INT's and a 67.0 passer rating.

Trey Lance- 54.1% completion, 7.8 YPA, 4 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 85.5 passer rating.

Where exactly were Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen that much better in their first 4 games of extended play?

I didn't say extended play. You also have to watch the games. Treys stats look comparable but he was saved by some wide open Deebo plays that don't impress me at all. We all know he can make a throw to a wide open player downfield.

You are also leaving out rushing production. I just remember Jalen making some noise when he first came out because of his play. That alone tells me he showed more than Trey to start.

When I say extended play. I mean that I excluded the first set of games that only included a snap or two per game. Trey had 2 of those games and Josh and Jalen had a handful before they saw extended playing time.

Sure. Josh and Jalen never had wide open receivers during their first 4 games. Only Trey did. Also, you are ignoring the tight window and sideline throws that Trey has made. I am sure Jalen and Josh had some of those as well. So stop acting like Trey had it so much easier than they did to start their careers. Nothing Trey has shown has been any worse than those guys and he has the same tools mentally as well as physically.

The thing with Trey is his numbers literally depend on those plays. It would look pathetic without them honestly. I don't ignore the tight window throws just like nobody ignored Zach Wilson's. The body of work speaks for itself so far

It sure does. And it is no different than Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen early in their careers. Using examples of Deebo being wide open twice as a way to downplay my comparison while assuming Jalen and Josh never had those same benefits is misleading. It makes me wonder if you even watched those first 4 games of Hurts and Allen. Because if you haven't than your argument is invalid.

I did watch them play, Hurts more than Allen. You can't take a couple throws away from them and watch their numbers nosedive across the board like treys. Here's an example of how they were talking about Hurts after his first starts. He was better than Trey to start no question

After leading his team to an impressive upset in his debut as a starter, Hurts put up an even more impressive performance in Week 15, albeit ending in a loss. His stat line of 338 passing yards, 3 passing touchdowns, 63 rushing yards, and a rushing touchdown was good for the QB1 performance on the week and the fifth-best quarterback performance of the year!

Jalen threw the ball 44 times in that game and only completed 24 of them. He ended the game with a 102.3 passer rating. Trey in his 2nd start completed nearly 70% of his passes for 10.8 YPA with 2 passing TD's and a 116.0 passer rating in a must win game to keep our playoff hopes alive. Even if you take away the 45 yard reception by Deebo, Trey still completed 68% of his passes for over 9 YPA. So what is your point?

You have to watch the games. Treys game against the Texans looks good on paper, but it wasn't even enough to unseat a banged up Jimmy. Obviously not impressive.

Then you have articles being written by people that actually watched hurts hyping him up

Trey had a broken finger on his throwing hand too.

https://sports.yahoo.com/trey-lances-broken-finger-didnt-204909362.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAI58jvS3oXD0ifB6GuKzsQVBUfw-heF1b0Woq03-UgnGiXxviIq9srCJu8Ocmw0uJxLKZT-VsYHhmJKNRuAFWSWT7TO58AhU1IMgkhN-sccJHN7T4F8gMiWUOjFt2QILIVzhOjr9FpAfBPLIxoWpR3fMnUuIbVaHpkwRHbnUJO36

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
instead of questioning it…let him play so we can all get an answer. It's not like they couldn't move the ball his last game as a starter. They had 150 yards on his 17 plays vs a playoff team (without Kittle/Mitchell/CMC).

saying Purdy is a "more known commodity" is a bit extreme. He's got 70 more passing attempts. His advantage is he's played more football coming into the league (like you said) that doesn't mean that will equal better long-term success, just that he's seen more football.

regardless Brock isn't part of the convo right now. Dude isn't gonna start week 1 and might even end up on PUP to start the season. I'm more than fine with Brock or Lance…but saying 4 sporadic NFL games is enough to label Lance anything is beyond dumb.

The most overhyped 150 yds of all time

Didn't Deebo do a Deebo thing and run for a third of that on one play. We scored 0 TDs. Yet I've read 1000 posts about that 13 or so mins of TD-less football like it was the end of SB 23. Let's get a lil fair and balanced. Dude completed 2 passes. I'm all about TL dominating but I can't point to anything from 2022 as the reason why. It's more based on his talent, and the opportunity of seizing this job this offseason year 3 with KS & TL.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It's ridiculous. Like them being right about something changes anything…guess what the 49ers aren't gonna call ya to be the next GM. You don't earn more brownie points for being right/wrong about someone on a fan forum.

all I want is to see him fail first…and no 100 random passing attempts isn't enough…anyone with half an objective brain would agree.

The desire for Trey to fail on this board is worse than any QB prospect I can remember.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
First 4 games of extended play.

Jalen Hurts- 53.6% completion, 7.7 YPA, 6 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 81.1 passer rating.

Josh Allen- 53.4% completion, 6.5 YPA, 2 passing TD's, 4 INT's and a 67.0 passer rating.

Trey Lance- 54.1% completion, 7.8 YPA, 4 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 85.5 passer rating.

Where exactly were Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen that much better in their first 4 games of extended play?

I didn't say extended play. You also have to watch the games. Treys stats look comparable but he was saved by some wide open Deebo plays that don't impress me at all. We all know he can make a throw to a wide open player downfield.

You are also leaving out rushing production. I just remember Jalen making some noise when he first came out because of his play. That alone tells me he showed more than Trey to start.

When I say extended play. I mean that I excluded the first set of games that only included a snap or two per game. Trey had 2 of those games and Josh and Jalen had a handful before they saw extended playing time.

Sure. Josh and Jalen never had wide open receivers during their first 4 games. Only Trey did. Also, you are ignoring the tight window and sideline throws that Trey has made. I am sure Jalen and Josh had some of those as well. So stop acting like Trey had it so much easier than they did to start their careers. Nothing Trey has shown has been any worse than those guys and he has the same tools mentally as well as physically.

The thing with Trey is his numbers literally depend on those plays. It would look pathetic without them honestly. I don't ignore the tight window throws just like nobody ignored Zach Wilson's. The body of work speaks for itself so far

It sure does. And it is no different than Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen early in their careers. Using examples of Deebo being wide open twice as a way to downplay my comparison while assuming Jalen and Josh never had those same benefits is misleading. It makes me wonder if you even watched those first 4 games of Hurts and Allen. Because if you haven't than your argument is invalid.

I did watch them play, Hurts more than Allen. You can't take a couple throws away from them and watch their numbers nosedive across the board like treys. Here's an example of how they were talking about Hurts after his first starts. He was better than Trey to start no question

After leading his team to an impressive upset in his debut as a starter, Hurts put up an even more impressive performance in Week 15, albeit ending in a loss. His stat line of 338 passing yards, 3 passing touchdowns, 63 rushing yards, and a rushing touchdown was good for the QB1 performance on the week and the fifth-best quarterback performance of the year!

Jalen threw the ball 44 times in that game and only completed 24 of them. He ended the game with a 102.3 passer rating. Trey in his 2nd start completed nearly 70% of his passes for 10.8 YPA with 2 passing TD's and a 116.0 passer rating in a must win game to keep our playoff hopes alive. Even if you take away the 45 yard reception by Deebo, Trey still completed 68% of his passes for over 9 YPA. So what is your point?

You have to watch the games. Treys game against the Texans looks good on paper, but it wasn't even enough to unseat a banged up Jimmy. Obviously not impressive.

Then you have articles being written by people that actually watched hurts hyping him up

Give it up. Jalen benefited from the exact same things you claim boosted Trey's numbers. I even provided what Trey's stats looked like if you took away that 45 yard completion to Deebo. His completion % and YPA were still great in that game.

Oh and as far as Trey unseating Jimmy. What coach in their right mind is going to throw a rookie with very limited playing time into the starting lineup just before the playoffs in favor of an 8 year vet with playoff experience if that said vet felt they were healthy enough to play?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The most overhyped 150 yds of all time

Didn't Deebo do a Deebo thing and run for a third of that on one play. We scored 0 TDs. Yet I've read 1000 posts about that 13 or so mins of TD-less football like it was the end of SB 23. Let's get a lil fair and balanced. Dude completed 2 passes. I'm all about TL dominating but I can't point to anything from 2022 as the reason why. It's more based on his talent, and the opportunity of seizing this job this offseason year 3 with KS & TL.

Yes but this is just magical football that no QB could ever do


The point that I'm making is people act like this offense couldn't do anything with Lance and that's a straight up lie. Sorry Wilson didn't get in from the 2 yard line vs Seattle. Sorry Jennings tripped on a slot fade on what would have been a walk in TD vs the bears during the rain.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Give it up. Jalen benefited from the exact same things you claim boosted Trey's numbers. I even provided what Trey's stats looked like if you took away that 45 yard completion to Deebo. His completion % and YPA were still great in that game.

You've narrowed it to one game against his weakest opponent lol. Again, no Jalen and Allen's numbers/production did not depend on a couple of throws.

They both looked much better than Trey did to start. His game against the Texans obviously wasn't as spectuacular as the numbers look if a taped together Jimmy was seen as a better option. Give it up

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

I'm mean if that was Jimmy you'd be defending him to the death with a massive erection 😂

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
First 4 games of extended play.

Jalen Hurts- 53.6% completion, 7.7 YPA, 6 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 81.1 passer rating.

Josh Allen- 53.4% completion, 6.5 YPA, 2 passing TD's, 4 INT's and a 67.0 passer rating.

Trey Lance- 54.1% completion, 7.8 YPA, 4 passing TD's, 3 INT's and a 85.5 passer rating.

Where exactly were Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen that much better in their first 4 games of extended play?

I didn't say extended play. You also have to watch the games. Treys stats look comparable but he was saved by some wide open Deebo plays that don't impress me at all. We all know he can make a throw to a wide open player downfield.

You are also leaving out rushing production. I just remember Jalen making some noise when he first came out because of his play. That alone tells me he showed more than Trey to start.

When I say extended play. I mean that I excluded the first set of games that only included a snap or two per game. Trey had 2 of those games and Josh and Jalen had a handful before they saw extended playing time.

Sure. Josh and Jalen never had wide open receivers during their first 4 games. Only Trey did. Also, you are ignoring the tight window and sideline throws that Trey has made. I am sure Jalen and Josh had some of those as well. So stop acting like Trey had it so much easier than they did to start their careers. Nothing Trey has shown has been any worse than those guys and he has the same tools mentally as well as physically.

The thing with Trey is his numbers literally depend on those plays. It would look pathetic without them honestly. I don't ignore the tight window throws just like nobody ignored Zach Wilson's. The body of work speaks for itself so far

What would Jimmy's numbers look like without those wide open receivers coming across the middle 5 or 10 yards upfield and the YAC that often followed. All teams that have an offense similar to the 49ers rely a lot on the short passing game.

Why bring Jimmy into this he's a Raider now, move on man.

Because you can use that argument for every QB that plays in Kyle's system. Jimmy happened to be here for the past 5 years.

But why not use Brock Purdy, he's the only other QB on the roster that was the previous starter not Jimmy.

Brock's favorite targets were CMC and Kittle. Trey has yet to play with CMC and the only game he has played with Kittle he averaged 10.8 YPA, completed 69.6% of his passes and ended the game with a win and a 116.0 passer rating.

Trey has yet to play with the team period. But hey look folks....another excuse. I hope he did end with 116.0 passer rating, that Houston team was garbage. If he couldn't beat that bottom dweller who picked 3rd in the 2022 draft, it would've looked even worse than it does now. Funny you don't bring up his first career starts passer rating where it was 58.4. lol Wanna know Brock Purdy's first career passer rating 88.8, followed by 134.0 vs Tampa his first career start. But is that the reason you guys don't use Brock Purdy?? lol