Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why is Brock being brought up? If Brock didn't suffer a serious injury and have such a long recovery a head of him, he would be the anointed starter heading into OTA's/TC. But that isn't the reality. The reality is that Trey will get all of the 1st team reps in OTA's, TC and most likely pre season. And unless he under performs or suffers another injury, he will not lose the starting job.

Cause Brock's the future

Originally posted by 49erKing:
Joe Flacco's elusiveness in the backfield during the SB hurt us big time.

Lol.. I knew someone would mention that. Maybe not a good example even though I was thinking of Flacco now. The point is a statue in the pocket.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
And this coning from someone who gets all bent outta shape if anything bad is said about Trey Lance.

I just tried to say I'm not a fan and want him traded. Then I get bombarded with "oh you hate him" and "oh you want him to fail". My god.

This has been mostly about me as a poster than my opinion, it seems.

Go look at all my post in the Chicago and Seattle game day threads. That's where peoples emotions get outta hand, lets see what I had to say about Lance. Lets see how much I hate him. Go ahead I'll wait.

No I just call our bias b******t posts. Which have been plentiful in here.

your opinions are based off your emotions towards Jimmy and people that didn't love him as much as you did.

how can you have any objective opinion on Lance good/bad right now? He's had some moments of flashing and had some rookie mistakes. He's got 100 random passing attempts to his name. Forming any opinion based off that is crap…and I will call that out all day.

SPOIL ALERT: I'm on page 100 in the Chicago game day thread. Still no post from me. I think I was doing things around the house at the time.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erKing:
Joe Flacco's elusiveness in the backfield during the SB hurt us big time.

Lol.. I knew someone would mention that. Maybe not a good example even though I was thinking of Flacco now. The point is a statue in the pocket.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Naw I'm just tryna get my point across, it's you people who post get all sensitive when someone is not a fan of the QB. Tell me were you a fan of Kwame Harris, how about Anthony Clement, why didn't you give Kevan Barlow more of a chance and so on....

kolohe calling us sensitive. Maybe go look at your posts in the Jimmy thread.

Were you a fan of Armstead/Ward? Didn't give them a chance I bet…two of the longest tenured 49ers over the past decade.

And this coning from someone who gets all bent outta shape if anything bad is said about Trey Lance.

I just tried to say I'm not a fan and want him traded. Then I get bombarded with "oh you hate him" and "oh you want him to fail". My god.

This has been mostly about me as a poster than my opinion, it seems.

Go look at all my post in the Chicago and Seattle game day threads. That's where peoples emotions get outta hand, lets see what I had to say about Lance. Lets see how much I hate him. Go ahead I'll wait.

You were/are one of the biggest complainers when anyone said anything negative about Jimmy. Idk how many times you've posted "fake fans"

You've turned into the people you hated, how you still don't see this hypocrisy is baffling lol.

Hmmm maybe it was because first you guys root for Jimmy then talk s**t about Jimmy the next day. I complained when people said stupid s**t like "oh I wonder if we could get a bag a chips and hot dog for Jimmy". Or whatever, there's always dumb s**t about him in that thread. Keep in mind he's one of the main reasons the 49ers were relevant again. WTF has Trey Lance done??

You guys see me doing that s**t about Trey Lance??

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No people want to see Lance actually play football before calling him trash. They spent the capital it's gone. Saying he can't improve or develop after 100 sporadic passing attempts is trash and you know it.

He does have that upside to be that guy…and no I don't care if you don't like that phrase. It's part of the reason he was drafted in the first place. He wasn't gonna be a bona fide pro-bowler WK1 into his starting career…anyone being objective knew that. Ya'll wanted to be right so bad that you said it's done after 100 passing attempts.

it's also has zero to do with Brock, he's not going anywhere. He's dealing with a serious injury and who knows what the hell happens after that. His arm could be shot….So go see what Lance is. No different than last yr.

I get the whole injury thing. That in my opinion the only thing saving Trey this year.

You can talk upside all you want. My point remains the same. Brock is already doing exactly what we want from Trey. Trey's upside in this offense is Brock Purdy. We can't reasonably expect him to play better than Brock did once he came in.

To be fair, I said Trey was what he was before his 1st pass attempt. Before the draft we were hoping that he could develop enough to at least be as good as JG. Now here we sit, he still has yet to get those reps and his expectations has already grown to needing to be as good as Brock.

It's not about wanting to be right.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why is Brock being brought up? If Brock didn't suffer a serious injury and have such a long recovery a head of him, he would be the anointed starter heading into OTA's/TC. But that isn't the reality. The reality is that Trey will get all of the 1st team reps in OTA's, TC and most likely pre season. And unless he under performs or suffers another injury, he will not lose the starting job.

Cause Brock's the future

Based off what 7 games? Dude destroyed his elbow on his throwing arm. We have no idea how he will recover from that.

we do have a guy, that regardless of what you think, has talent and was a highly drafted player on his rookie contract….he will be the starter and will get the reps. IF he does develop and play well, that's a good thing that every single fan should want…if you don't then you have ulterior motives.

Brock ain't going anywhere. His #1 goal is to get healthy and how his rehab leads to no issues with his throwing arm.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why is Brock being brought up? If Brock didn't suffer a serious injury and have such a long recovery a head of him, he would be the anointed starter heading into OTA's/TC. But that isn't the reality. The reality is that Trey will get all of the 1st team reps in OTA's, TC and most likely pre season. And unless he under performs or suffers another injury, he will not lose the starting job.

Cause Brock's the future

Based off what 7 games? Dude destroyed his elbow on his throwing arm. We have no idea how he will recover from that.

we do have a guy, that regardless of what you think, has talent and was a highly drafted player on his rookie contract….he will be the starter and will get the reps. IF he does develop and play well, that's a good thing that every single fan should want…if you don't then you have ulterior motives.

Brock ain't going anywhere. His #1 goal is to get healthy and how his rehab leads to no issues with his throwing arm.

this is what I've been saying a long time. We don't know if BP is returning or when. That was a major major injury and ppl acting like oh he will be fine.. I like the optimism, yet the team head honchos have to prepare for the worst, which is why Darnold is on roster now.

Originally posted by krizay:
I get the whole injury thing. That in my opinion the only thing saving Trey this year.

You can talk upside all you want. My point remains the same. Brock is already doing exactly what we want from Trey. Trey's upside in this offense is Brock Purdy. We can't reasonably expect him to play better than Brock did once he came in.

To be fair, I said Trey was what he was before his 1st pass attempt. Before the draft we were hoping that he could develop enough to at least be as good as JG. Now here we sit, he still has yet to get those reps and his expectations has already grown to needing to be as good as Brock.

It's not about wanting to be right.

Brock has played a f**k ton of football before even coming to the NFL. That's a great baseline and only helps in the early part of your career. Will he improve? Will he continue to play at that level? I have no clue…it was 7 games. Now he's got a serious surgery, one that isn't some regular NFL thing.

Upside does matter, whether you like it or not. It's part of the evaluation of a prospect. It's a reason why Brock was the last pick and Lance was top 3. You gotta allow that growth though. If not then he should have never been the pick. Kyle and Lynch aren't stupid and knew that when they drafted a 20 yr old QB with as little playing time as he had….imo I thought given how little he's played, he actually didn't look lost out there.

we don't need him to be as good as whomever, he's just gotta help the team win games and improve.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lance is a god awful runner. Lol anyone who thinks he can run like Murray, Lamar, hurts, etc are out of their mind. They're just looking at him on paper.

Lance runs super stiff; or it at least looks like it. I say it all the time and people make jokes, which says a lot lol, but Lance isn't very elusive or agile. He's just fast in a straight line and when you're playing scrubs in college - you can do that.

purdys hilarious high step is much for effective than Lance when running. Lol

I agree with most of this. Especially the last line. Purdy appears to be a better runner, better off schedule. Everything but QB sneak.

This is what boggles my mind as to the hesitancy of preferring Purdy to Trey. Brock is doing exactly what everyone wants from Trey.

To me, those preferring Trey to Brock are the ones who would rather be right.

Purdy is the better runner? This is so freaking absurd I don't even know where to begin.

You HONESTLY believe that 22 carries and 13 yards (0.6 average) is better than 54 carries with 254 yards (4.4 average)? You want to claim people hate on JIMMY?

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dj43:
It looks like all sides are going to get a little of what they want out of this upcoming season.

Lance is going to get a ton of snaps, likely extending into the early season. If he does well, he is at least good trade bait in 2024. The important thing is he is going to get some quality time.

Purdy is going to have plenty of time for full recovery while Lance gets his shot. Having set the bar very high, at the very least, one of the two will yield solid draft capital NEXT YEAR.

Now we have Darnold who gives some assurance that the FO is still all-in on winning this year. Instead of some re-tread, they brought in a guy who can play now if needed but also yield trade bait if he does well.

So much to like right now, especially if debate is one's specialty.

If lance plays well, you can just as well trade Brock or keep him as the backup.

WHY trade Brock so soon?

We already saw what he can do, unless teams out there offer us 1 or 2 or 3, which we all know wont happen, we need to keep the guy just in case Lance is a softy.

Plus, what if we trade Brock and Darnold don't want to sign w/us again, then we're back to calling either Josh or Nate or even Baker.

I suppose the argument is he may never be worth more, but IMHO that's absurd. The guy showed he has all the important mental traits a QB needs, as well as an elite ability to throw off platform and at multiple arm angles. He's savvy and he sees the field better than Jimmy could ever dream. The guy might turn into Drew Brees. We'd be out of our mind to trade Brock.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Brock has played a f**k ton of football before even coming to the NFL. That's a great baseline and only helps in the early part of your career. Will he improve? Will he continue to play at that level? I have no clue…it was 7 games. Now he's got a serious surgery, one that isn't some regular NFL thing.

Upside does matter, whether you like it or not. It's part of the evaluation of a prospect. It's a reason why Brock was the last pick and Lance was top 3. You gotta allow that growth though. If not then he should have never been the pick. Kyle and Lynch aren't stupid and knew that when they drafted a 20 yr old QB with as little playing time as he had….imo I thought given how little he's played, he actually didn't look lost out there.

we don't need him to be as good as whomever, he's just gotta help the team win games and improve.

How can you say this without having your own agenda? He most certainly should be as good or better than the other QBs on the roster.

Not saying to start the year. Due to Brock's injury that door is now open. But overall he NEEDS to be as good as Brock. More importantly, he needs to be as good as Brock actually running Kyle's system. To be fair, he may not have a say so on that aspect.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Brock has played a f**k ton of football before even coming to the NFL. That's a great baseline and only helps in the early part of your career. Will he improve? Will he continue to play at that level? I have no clue…it was 7 games. Now he's got a serious surgery, one that isn't some regular NFL thing.

Upside does matter, whether you like it or not. It's part of the evaluation of a prospect. It's a reason why Brock was the last pick and Lance was top 3. You gotta allow that growth though. If not then he should have never been the pick. Kyle and Lynch aren't stupid and knew that when they drafted a 20 yr old QB with as little playing time as he had….imo I thought given how little he's played, he actually didn't look lost out there.

we don't need him to be as good as whomever, he's just gotta help the team win games and improve.

I thought it an odd pick, as he was so green, historically so.. he would rank WAY up there. Didn't play 2020. Had what 3-5 months of actual season play, the year before, as a lightly recruited guy who only got 1 or 2 offers to play QB?

The rational from KS was we are going the KC route; so he can be green, that's fine, he will get a pro redshirt year. So from April 2021 to Fall 2022 that's 16-17 months to just work on craft, improve, grow, develop, etc.

Now he's got many more months of growth / development in front, this offseason. But he has to do it while not playing meaningful games, is my take. That was the whole design from KS and why he referenced KC as our model. We are trying to win a SB here so the tolerance for him on the job training / struggling is low.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why is Brock being brought up? If Brock didn't suffer a serious injury and have such a long recovery a head of him, he would be the anointed starter heading into OTA's/TC. But that isn't the reality. The reality is that Trey will get all of the 1st team reps in OTA's, TC and most likely pre season. And unless he under performs or suffers another injury, he will not lose the starting job.

Cause Brock's the future

If Trey plays to his potential and stays healthy, Brock may never get another opportunity with this team.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lance is a god awful runner. Lol anyone who thinks he can run like Murray, Lamar, hurts, etc are out of their mind. They're just looking at him on paper.

Lance runs super stiff; or it at least looks like it. I say it all the time and people make jokes, which says a lot lol, but Lance isn't very elusive or agile. He's just fast in a straight line and when you're playing scrubs in college - you can do that.

purdys hilarious high step is much for effective than Lance when running. Lol

I agree with most of this. Especially the last line. Purdy appears to be a better runner, better off schedule. Everything but QB sneak.

This is what boggles my mind as to the hesitancy of preferring Purdy to Trey. Brock is doing exactly what everyone wants from Trey.

To me, those preferring Trey to Brock are the ones who would rather be right.

Purdy is the better runner? This is so freaking absurd I don't even know where to begin.

You HONESTLY believe that 22 carries and 13 yards (0.6 average) is better than 54 carries with 254 yards (4.4 average)? You want to claim people hate on JIMMY?

Trey Lance credited with 4 scrambles for 15 yards.
PFF credits Trey with a rushing grade of 56.7

To be fair last year 12 scrambles for 93 yards. Total rush grade again 56.7

Brock Purdy credited with 6 scrambles for 25 yards
Rushing grade of 68.

So as you see. When you're winning ganes and taking the knee it hurts your rushing stats.

When I say better runner I personally am talking scrambling