Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why is Brock being brought up? If Brock didn't suffer a serious injury and have such a long recovery a head of him, he would be the anointed starter heading into OTA's/TC. But that isn't the reality. The reality is that Trey will get all of the 1st team reps in OTA's, TC and most likely pre season. And unless he under performs or suffers another injury, he will not lose the starting job.

Cause Brock's the future

If Trey plays to his potential and stays healthy, Brock may never get another opportunity with this team.

Lots of IFs, lots of hoping, but nothing to substantiate it.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why is Brock being brought up? If Brock didn't suffer a serious injury and have such a long recovery a head of him, he would be the anointed starter heading into OTA's/TC. But that isn't the reality. The reality is that Trey will get all of the 1st team reps in OTA's, TC and most likely pre season. And unless he under performs or suffers another injury, he will not lose the starting job.

Cause Brock's the future

If Trey plays to his potential and stays healthy, Brock may never get another opportunity with this team.

Lots of IFs, lots of hoping, but nothing to substantiate it.

And the statement that Brock is the future isn't full of ifs and lots of hoping? GTFOH! 🤣

Originally posted by krizay:
Trey Lance credited with 4 scrambles for 15 yards.
PFF credits Trey with a rushing grade of 56.7

To be fair last year 12 scrambles for 93 yards. Total rush grade again 56.7

Brock Purdy credited with 6 scrambles for 25 yards
Rushing grade of 68.

So as you see. When you're winning ganes and taking the knee it hurts your rushing stats.

On TL the runner, I challenge anyone to show me a clip of TL as a ball carrier on a designed run doing something nice / impressive / good for the team. Just one play, one time. I've issued that challenge before, I have yet to see anyone respond to it.

He's been here two years I have yet to see it at the NFL level. As an example, Tebow in his first game action house called from 40 yards out on a designed run. If you are a running QB, you don't really need years of time to establish it, you have that usually from the jump.

I don't think of BP as a 'running' QB or 'run threat'.. but moving around in the pocket, buying time, he's very good. See the BA incomplete pass in the playoffs as an A+ example.

Originally posted by krizay:
I agree with most of this. Especially the last line. Purdy appears to be a better runner, better off schedule. Everything but QB sneak.

This is what boggles my mind as to the hesitancy of preferring Purdy to Trey. Brock is doing exactly what everyone wants from Trey.

To me, those preferring Trey to Brock are the ones who would rather be right.

Who are these people?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lance is a god awful runner. Lol anyone who thinks he can run like Murray, Lamar, hurts, etc are out of their mind. They're just looking at him on paper.

Lance runs super stiff; or it at least looks like it. I say it all the time and people make jokes, which says a lot lol, but Lance isn't very elusive or agile. He's just fast in a straight line and when you're playing scrubs in college - you can do that.

purdys hilarious high step is much for effective than Lance when running. Lol

I agree with most of this. Especially the last line. Purdy appears to be a better runner, better off schedule. Everything but QB sneak.

This is what boggles my mind as to the hesitancy of preferring Purdy to Trey. Brock is doing exactly what everyone wants from Trey.

To me, those preferring Trey to Brock are the ones who would rather be right.

Purdy is the better runner? This is so freaking absurd I don't even know where to begin.

You HONESTLY believe that 22 carries and 13 yards (0.6 average) is better than 54 carries with 254 yards (4.4 average)? You want to claim people hate on JIMMY?

Trey Lance credited with 4 scrambles for 15 yards.
PFF credits Trey with a rushing grade of 56.7

To be fair last year 12 scrambles for 93 yards. Total rush grade again 56.7

Brock Purdy credited with 6 scrambles for 25 yards
Rushing grade of 68.

So as you see. When you're winning ganes and taking the knee it hurts your rushing stats.

When I say better runner I personally am talking scrambling

How can Brock have 25 yards when his total rushing is 13? I suppose he must have lost a great deal of yards on designed runs. And Trey is not a bad scrambler. Trey's problem with running is on designed runs to the outside. He's good up the middle and good scrambling WHEN HE DECIDES TO GO. Such as:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why is Brock being brought up? If Brock didn't suffer a serious injury and have such a long recovery a head of him, he would be the anointed starter heading into OTA's/TC. But that isn't the reality. The reality is that Trey will get all of the 1st team reps in OTA's, TC and most likely pre season. And unless he under performs or suffers another injury, he will not lose the starting job.

Cause Brock's the future

If Trey plays to his potential and stays healthy, Brock may never get another opportunity with this team.

Lots of IFs, lots of hoping, but nothing to substantiate it.

Really? Ifs and hoping during the offseason in a fan forum? Next you're gonna try saying the sky is blue or something crazy like that….

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
How can Brock have 25 yards when his total rushing is 13? I suppose he must have lost a great deal of yards on designed runs. And Trey is not a bad scrambler. Trey's problem with running is on designed runs to the outside. He's good up the middle and good scrambling WHEN HE DECIDES TO GO. Such as:

Endof game kneel downs. And he was horrible on QB sneaks

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
How can Brock have 25 yards when his total rushing is 13? I suppose he must have lost a great deal of yards on designed runs. And Trey is not a bad scrambler. Trey's problem with running is on designed runs to the outside. He's good up the middle and good scrambling WHEN HE DECIDES TO GO. Such as:

Notice he does a shake and bake on 54 a LB and it does nothing.

It's fine.. it's positive yardage.. but it's not anything I would put on a highlight reel, or a highlight reel play. He's gonna have to wow and win with his arm with what I am seeing of his running. And I think he can, particularly with these weapons.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why is Brock being brought up? If Brock didn't suffer a serious injury and have such a long recovery a head of him, he would be the anointed starter heading into OTA's/TC. But that isn't the reality. The reality is that Trey will get all of the 1st team reps in OTA's, TC and most likely pre season. And unless he under performs or suffers another injury, he will not lose the starting job.

Cause Brock's the future

If Trey plays to his potential and stays healthy, Brock may never get another opportunity with this team.

Lots of IFs, lots of hoping, but nothing to substantiate it.

And the statement that Brock is the future isn't full of ifs and lots of hoping? GTFOH! 🤣

8 wins as a 7th round rookie QB.

107. 3 QB rating.

Only quarterback since 1950 to win his first five NFL starts and throw two or more touchdown passes in each game.

First rookie in NFL history with four touchdowns in a playoff game.

Most playoff passes without an interception for a rookie quarterback.

Most yards in a playoff game by a 49ers QB. since Joe.

Those are facts. No IFs, no hoping, only facts.

What does Trey have to show for?

Originally posted by Koldo:
8 wins as a 7th round rookie QB.

107. 3 QB rating.

Only quarterback since 1950 to win his first five NFL starts and throw two or more touchdown passes in each game.

First rookie in NFL history with four touchdowns in a playoff game.

Most playoff passes without an interception for a rookie quarterback.

Most yards in a playoff game by a 49ers QB. since Joe.

Those are facts. No IFs, no hoping, only facts.

What does Trey have to show for?

It's still only 8 starts as great as he played. We really don't know enough about either guy yet to know who the long term future guy is. Brock has the leg up if he can return to form obviously but that's an IF at this point.

Kap showed us all why a longer sample will be required for any young 9er QB.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
It's still only 8 starts as great as he played. We really don't know enough about either guy yet to know who the long term future guy is. Brock has the leg up if he can return to form obviously but that's an IF at this point.

Kap showed us all why a longer sample will be required for any young 9er QB.

Yup most definitely

league will adjust on these guys once the book is in.. book isn't even in yet tbh. That's one reason I liked the Darnold signing. He's got more experience than TL and BP put together.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Yup most definitely

league will adjust on these guys once the book is in.. book isn't even in yet tbh. That's one reason I liked the Darnold signing. He's got more experience than TL and BP put together.

Book is in on Darnold. Oof.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why is Brock being brought up? If Brock didn't suffer a serious injury and have such a long recovery a head of him, he would be the anointed starter heading into OTA's/TC. But that isn't the reality. The reality is that Trey will get all of the 1st team reps in OTA's, TC and most likely pre season. And unless he under performs or suffers another injury, he will not lose the starting job.

Cause Brock's the future

If Trey plays to his potential and stays healthy, Brock may never get another opportunity with this team.

Lots of IFs, lots of hoping, but nothing to substantiate it.

And the statement that Brock is the future isn't full of ifs and lots of hoping? GTFOH! 🤣

8 wins as a 7th round rookie QB.

107. 3 QB rating.

Only quarterback since 1950 to win his first five NFL starts and throw two or more touchdown passes in each game.

First rookie in NFL history with four touchdowns in a playoff game.

Most playoff passes without an interception for a rookie quarterback.

Most yards in a playoff game by a 49ers QB. since Joe.

Those are facts. No IFs, no hoping, only facts.

What does Trey have to show for?

8 games into his career and he suffers a major injury to his throwing arm. He had this offense humming. No doubt. But can he sustain it and for how long? Will his UCL heal properly? Will defenses figure him out this off season and make it harder on him next season? Dallas held a Brock lead offense to its worst outing since he took over and before his injury. Can that gameplan be emulated? Now don't get me wrong. I love what I have seen from Brock. I was all about posting his elite efficiency stats he was putting up during the season. But lets not pretend like there are no ifs and lots of hoping surrounding him and his future.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Yup most definitely

league will adjust on these guys once the book is in.. book isn't even in yet tbh. That's one reason I liked the Darnold signing. He's got more experience than TL and BP put together.

Book is in on Darnold. Oof.

By the expression 'book is in', I am meaning that some guys excel early, then when Ds gameplan for what they do well, they have to adjust. Some guys can and some can't. CK never did imo, his best ball was 2012.

Darnold did not excel early; and his best ball was 2022, so he doesn't really fit what I am talking about here.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Brock has played a f**k ton of football before even coming to the NFL. That's a great baseline and only helps in the early part of your career. Will he improve? Will he continue to play at that level? I have no clue…it was 7 games. Now he's got a serious surgery, one that isn't some regular NFL thing.

Upside does matter, whether you like it or not. It's part of the evaluation of a prospect. It's a reason why Brock was the last pick and Lance was top 3. You gotta allow that growth though. If not then he should have never been the pick. Kyle and Lynch aren't stupid and knew that when they drafted a 20 yr old QB with as little playing time as he had….imo I thought given how little he's played, he actually didn't look lost out there.

we don't need him to be as good as whomever, he's just gotta help the team win games and improve.

How can you say this without having your own agenda? He most certainly should be as good or better than the other QBs on the roster.

Not saying to start the year. Due to Brock's injury that door is now open. But overall he NEEDS to be as good as Brock. More importantly, he needs to be as good as Brock actually running Kyle's system. To be fair, he may not have a say so on that aspect.

Explain to me my agenda? I just want to see the kid play and have a legit answer on if he can improve develop or he just sucks/will never improve like you and others have posted in here since day 1.

I said well before we drafted Lance that I had no problem criticizing whomever we drafted, like I had with Jimmy AFTER given a proper sample size to have a legit discussion about it.

We ain't there yet as far as playing time goes. Not even remotely close.