Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It seems funny that some of the people that were Jimmy fans and accused anyone that criticized him of being a hater, are already calling Lance a bust after 4 starts. At least most of Jimmy's detractors waited a couple seasons before they started wanting someone else.

That's 99% of the posters.

Sure in the mind of NY

in reality it's like 1-5% on here.. 5% tops.. I can count how many posters have called him a bust on one hand

to edit this.. it's been a couple seasons with TL it's now year 3

He's not a bust yet but if I had to bet the house I'm leaning more that way than future HOFer.

Given the return the last two years and the price given up for him it's understandable why most would be disappointed. External circumstances or not.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Trey's injury last season is 100% on Kyle. How the hell can a QB be asked to slide on a power run between the damn tackles, with that many big bodies around him? It was a stupid play call, as were all of the other power runs between the tackles for Trey. Hardly a way to showcase his running ability as a QB.

I hope someday to see it

Dude has to win with his arm, he's not a runner imo.

Steve Young had a quote he said you can stiff arm nose tackles at ND State. You can't in the NFL.

I did see reason for optimism from the CHI game he had some lasers downfield in that one on the button. Had 1 vs SEA too iirc.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
How's it going, anyone still my friend even though I'm not fan of Trey Lance!!!

Go 9ers!!

You're good. Doubt = / = hate, and advocating a trade (as unrealistic as it is given the dead money) is about gaining assets to help elsewhere.

Its less than a 2 million dollar hit if traded. The dead money on a trade is a little over 11 million. His salary(cap hit) is over 9 million. Making his hit the difference.

Now if he was released that's a different story. Which THAT would never happen

Personally I don't think Trey is a good fit with Kyle, both from a skillset and personality standpoint. He's too much like Jimmy - nice and a people pleaser. Doing whatever Kyle says. He should have cussed Kyle out for calling all of those power run plays like that. For Trey's sake, I hope he is traded to a team that is a better match for him. But I admittedly don't know the cap ramifications if we trade him. If it's indeed only a $2M hit, and we can get at least a 1st for him, then I'd do it. Anything less and it's not worth it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Trey's injury last season is 100% on Kyle. How the hell can a QB be asked to slide on a power run between the damn tackles, with that many big bodies around him? It was a stupid play call, as were all of the other power runs between the tackles for Trey. Hardly a way to showcase his running ability as a QB.

I hope someday to see it

Dude has to win with his arm, he's not a runner imo.

Steve Young had a quote he said you can stiff arm nose tackles at ND State. You can't in the NFL.

I did see reason for optimism from the CHI game he had some lasers downfield in that one on the button. Had 1 vs SEA too iirc.

Lol. One play Trey. He's good for pass a game to show you he can do it. One play not going to cut it

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Trey's injury last season is 100% on Kyle. How the hell can a QB be asked to slide on a power run between the damn tackles, with that many big bodies around him? It was a stupid play call, as were all of the other power runs between the tackles for Trey. Hardly a way to showcase his running ability as a QB.

I hope someday to see it

Dude has to win with his arm, he's not a runner imo.

Steve Young had a quote he said you can stiff arm nose tackles at ND State. You can't in the NFL.

I did see reason for optimism from the CHI game he had some lasers downfield in that one on the button. Had 1 vs SEA too iirc.

He has to be matched up with CB's and S's, not DT's and LB's. That's not on him. We have plenty of RPO and play action plays that can take advantage of his running ability 6-8 times per game. Not 16-20 like has been the case in his starts. He needs to be allowed to run the same offense and plays that Jimmy and Purdy ran.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Personally I don't think Trey is a good fit with Kyle, both from a skillset and personality standpoint. He's too much like Jimmy - nice and a people pleaser. Doing whatever Kyle says. He should have cussed Kyle out for calling all of those power run plays like that. For Trey's sake, I hope he is traded to a team that is a better match for him. But I admittedly don't know the cap ramifications if we trade him. If it's indeed only a $2M hit, and we can get at least a 1st for him, then I'd do it. Anything less and it's not worth it.

He was never a fit. Cause he ran boot actions in college didn't make him a fit. Especially if you watched more than the highlights and really paid attention. From my recollection anyway

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Trey's injury last season is 100% on Kyle. How the hell can a QB be asked to slide on a power run between the damn tackles, with that many big bodies around him? It was a stupid play call, as were all of the other power runs between the tackles for Trey. Hardly a way to showcase his running ability as a QB.

I hope someday to see it

Dude has to win with his arm, he's not a runner imo.

Steve Young had a quote he said you can stiff arm nose tackles at ND State. You can't in the NFL.

I did see reason for optimism from the CHI game he had some lasers downfield in that one on the button. Had 1 vs SEA too iirc.

Lol. One play Trey. He's good for pass a game to show you he can do it. One play not going to cut it

Granted.. notice the one play is always a pass imo. I have yet to see one run play from him at the NFL level. Not one. I do think he can get more consistent and win big at the pro level with how stacked we are.. just throw his arm off this offseason with how much work and reps he puts in, that's what he needs. He can put it wherever he wants on the field from an arm talent standpoint, needs the footwork, accuracy, timing that comes with practice and repetition.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Trey's injury last season is 100% on Kyle. How the hell can a QB be asked to slide on a power run between the damn tackles, with that many big bodies around him? It was a stupid play call, as were all of the other power runs between the tackles for Trey. Hardly a way to showcase his running ability as a QB.

I hope someday to see it

Dude has to win with his arm, he's not a runner imo.

Steve Young had a quote he said you can stiff arm nose tackles at ND State. You can't in the NFL.

I did see reason for optimism from the CHI game he had some lasers downfield in that one on the button. Had 1 vs SEA too iirc.

Lol. One play Trey. He's good for pass a game to show you he can do it. One play not going to cut it

Trey's biggest issue IMO is his rhythm in the offense, and getting the ball out on time. Those are two areas Purdy looks like a 10 year vet but they come with experience.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Trey's biggest issue IMO is his rhythm in the offense, and getting the ball out on time. Those are two areas Purdy looks like a 10 year vet but they come with experience.

One thing to add here BP didn't have that in May or rook mini camp.. but he did vs MIA.. so where did it come from?

this idea TL has to play live fire reps in regular season to grow I hear from NY, I see a lot of QBs growing from grinding each day in prax, film, that's how BP did it.. develop that in the offseason, be ready to show it week 1

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Trey's biggest issue IMO is his rhythm in the offense, and getting the ball out on time. Those are two areas Purdy looks like a 10 year vet but they come with experience.

One thing to add here BP didn't have that in May or rook mini camp.. but he did vs MIA.. so where did it come from?

this idea TL has to play live fire reps in regular season to grow I hear from NY, I see a lot of QBs growing from grinding each day in prax, film, that's how BP did it.. develop that in the offseason, be ready to show it week 1

How do you know he didn't have it in camp?

Answer: You don't

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
How can Brock have 25 yards when his total rushing is 13? I suppose he must have lost a great deal of yards on designed runs. And Trey is not a bad scrambler. Trey's problem with running is on designed runs to the outside. He's good up the middle and good scrambling WHEN HE DECIDES TO GO. Such as:

Notice he does a shake and bake on 54 a LB and it does nothing.

It's fine.. it's positive yardage.. but it's not anything I would put on a highlight reel, or a highlight reel play. He's gonna have to wow and win with his arm with what I am seeing of his running. And I think he can, particularly with these weapons.

Nothing? It makes him hesitate. You're so hellbent on the "fullback" narrative you're lying to yourself.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
There would be no criticism or complaining from me if Trey Lance had a 7 or 8 game run like Purdy. All it would mean is I was wrong about him. Who's keeping score!!!

no one hates you dude. I just can't stand some of the hypocritical posts in here (I'm guilty there too) and embellishments. The negativity towards this kid is remarkable, given how little he's gotten to show.

Objectively no one knows what Lance can or can't be…The issue is people have a hard time being objective.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Trey's biggest issue IMO is his rhythm in the offense, and getting the ball out on time. Those are two areas Purdy looks like a 10 year vet but they come with experience.

One thing to add here BP didn't have that in May or rook mini camp.. but he did vs MIA.. so where did it come from?

this idea TL has to play live fire reps in regular season to grow I hear from NY, I see a lot of QBs growing from grinding each day in prax, film, that's how BP did it.. develop that in the offseason, be ready to show it week 1

How do you know he didn't have it in camp?

Answer: You don't

there is this article titled 'Brock Purdy not doing much to impress in 49ers rookie camp'

https://ninernoise.com/2022/05/15/brock-purdy-not-impress-49ers-rookie-camp/

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
How can Brock have 25 yards when his total rushing is 13? I suppose he must have lost a great deal of yards on designed runs. And Trey is not a bad scrambler. Trey's problem with running is on designed runs to the outside. He's good up the middle and good scrambling WHEN HE DECIDES TO GO. Such as:

Notice he does a shake and bake on 54 a LB and it does nothing.

It's fine.. it's positive yardage.. but it's not anything I would put on a highlight reel, or a highlight reel play. He's gonna have to wow and win with his arm with what I am seeing of his running. And I think he can, particularly with these weapons.

Nothing? It makes him hesitate. You're so hellbent on the "fullback" narrative you're lying to yourself.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Anyone remember those wide ass open TD passes to Kittle in the commanders and seahawks games? What about that wide ass open TD pass to Deebo in the WC round? In fact, alot of Purdy's TD passes were to wide ass open receivers. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Take all of those away and the tape still shows a damn good QB