Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
How can Brock have 25 yards when his total rushing is 13? I suppose he must have lost a great deal of yards on designed runs. And Trey is not a bad scrambler. Trey's problem with running is on designed runs to the outside. He's good up the middle and good scrambling WHEN HE DECIDES TO GO. Such as:

Notice he does a shake and bake on 54 a LB and it does nothing.

It's fine.. it's positive yardage.. but it's not anything I would put on a highlight reel, or a highlight reel play. He's gonna have to wow and win with his arm with what I am seeing of his running. And I think he can, particularly with these weapons.

Nothing? It makes him hesitate. You're so hellbent on the "fullback" narrative you're lying to yourself.

Watch how he strafes slightly left and then right instead of rushing in. Like I said, you're utterly lying to yourself.

What is the result of the play? The guy TL attempts to juke makes the tackle unassisted.

No. The hesitation/straffing got about two more yards out of that run.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
How can Brock have 25 yards when his total rushing is 13? I suppose he must have lost a great deal of yards on designed runs. And Trey is not a bad scrambler. Trey's problem with running is on designed runs to the outside. He's good up the middle and good scrambling WHEN HE DECIDES TO GO. Such as:

Notice he does a shake and bake on 54 a LB and it does nothing.

It's fine.. it's positive yardage.. but it's not anything I would put on a highlight reel, or a highlight reel play. He's gonna have to wow and win with his arm with what I am seeing of his running. And I think he can, particularly with these weapons.

Nothing? It makes him hesitate. You're so hellbent on the "fullback" narrative you're lying to yourself.

Watch how he strafes slightly left and then right instead of rushing in. Like I said, you're utterly lying to yourself.

What is the result of the play? The guy TL attempts to juke makes the tackle unassisted.

No. The hesitation/straffing got about two more yards out of that run.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Anyone remember those wide ass open TD passes to Kittle in the commanders and seahawks games? What about that wide ass open TD pass to Deebo in the WC round? In fact, alot of Purdy's TD passes were to wide ass open receivers. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Take all of those away and the tape still shows a damn good QB

That insane TD% that he had made him look like an elite QB. He did have some tight window throws and was great at avoiding pressure. But without that godlike level of a TD%, he was still good but not great like he is being perceived.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
54 does get credited on that play with a tackle. If TL is giving himself up it's cuz he knows he was not able to evade the LB in open field.

Look I'm not trying to blow smoke and say this is a highlight reel run.. someone shared this as a demonstration of his running prowess.. yet to see it folks, I hope he works on his spiral.

Dude he was falling down lol. It was a 4th and 10 play were he had multiple Seahawks in the backfield. He escaped the pressure and took a blown play and made it a 1st down. He then went down when there was nothing to be gained.

You're tying entirely too hard to make it something negative. Shocker. Way different perspective last yr from you lol. Lance gonna have 5K and 40TDs. Only took you 5 QRs of football to flip flop there.

it was the best run in NFL history without a single broken tackle or defender made to miss.. I'll give you that.. send the film to Canton

if you want to show TL highlights show the deep crossers vs CHI.. or the HOU play to Deebo

that play ain't a highlight.. if ppl on the forum could have ran it, it's not a highlight

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
How can Brock have 25 yards when his total rushing is 13? I suppose he must have lost a great deal of yards on designed runs. And Trey is not a bad scrambler. Trey's problem with running is on designed runs to the outside. He's good up the middle and good scrambling WHEN HE DECIDES TO GO. Such as:

Notice he does a shake and bake on 54 a LB and it does nothing.

It's fine.. it's positive yardage.. but it's not anything I would put on a highlight reel, or a highlight reel play. He's gonna have to wow and win with his arm with what I am seeing of his running. And I think he can, particularly with these weapons.

Nothing? It makes him hesitate. You're so hellbent on the "fullback" narrative you're lying to yourself.

Watch how he strafes slightly left and then right instead of rushing in. Like I said, you're utterly lying to yourself.

What is the result of the play? The guy TL attempts to juke makes the tackle unassisted.

No. The hesitation/straffing got about two more yards out of that run.

I mean posting that just makes you look foolish. If thevLB was unconcerned he would have rushed straight in and got him behind the first down marker.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Anyone remember those wide ass open TD passes to Kittle in the commanders and seahawks games? What about that wide ass open TD pass to Deebo in the WC round? In fact, alot of Purdy's TD passes were to wide ass open receivers. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Take all of those away and the tape still shows a damn good QB

That insane TD% that he had made him look like an elite QB. He did have some tight window throws and was great at avoiding pressure. But without that godlike level of a TD%, he was still good but not great like he is being perceived.

QB's still have to see and hit "wide open WR's." It's not as easy as some make it sound.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
That insane TD% that he had made him look like an elite QB. He did have some tight window throws and was great at avoiding pressure. But without that godlike level of a TD%, he was still good but not great like he is being perceived.

I really hope nobody thinks he looked like a great QB because of stats. What made him look like a great QB was his accuracy, poise, and playmaking ability being featured as soon as took the job.

The off-schedule playmaking in the redzone for example. The ability to keep a play alive, use pocket mobility, and have the poise to find a wide open checkdown. He did this quite a bit in his run... changing what would normally be field goal attempts for us under Jimmy, into touchdowns. This really isn't reflected in the basic stats people bandy about.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Personally I don't think Trey is a good fit with Kyle, both from a skillset and personality standpoint. He's too much like Jimmy - nice and a people pleaser. Doing whatever Kyle says. He should have cussed Kyle out for calling all of those power run plays like that. For Trey's sake, I hope he is traded to a team that is a better match for him. But I admittedly don't know the cap ramifications if we trade him. If it's indeed only a $2M hit, and we can get at least a 1st for him, then I'd do it. Anything less and it's not worth it.

He was never a fit. Cause he ran boot actions in college didn't make him a fit. Especially if you watched more than the highlights and really paid attention. From my recollection anyway

I don't know where this comes from but Kyle moved up to draft him. He must have felt he had traits that would make him a great QB. Injuries hav ekept him from showing much but maybe this year he can stay healthy. I recall that when he was drafted many writers were saying he ran a system much closer to what Kyle ran than most college QBs. The run option was one difference but Kyle could never run that with Jimmy. He was way too slow to make any team believe that he was going to run. He also took a lot of snaps from under center rather than the shotgun.

His college stats for the one full season were:

Passing attempts 287 Passing yards 2786 28 TDs 0 IN
Rushing attempts 169 Rushing Yards 1100 14 TDs

He ran a lot but he threw a lot more. Bottom line he was very good at both at that level.

Originally posted by Furlow:
QB's still have to see and hit "wide open WR's." It's not as easy as some make it sound.

No doubt. People in here have been s**tting on Lance for doing just that though. Taking away easy open reads that he's completed.

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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Like I was saying, it's not logical to believe one report as gospel.

Is it logical to assume he was the guy vs Tampa when he got off the plane from Iowa? Or did he build up to that by working each day, getting better etc? I'm gonna go with he got better each day, each week, each prax rep. Otherwise it doesn't make sense why KS would slot him QB3. Plus we watched him preseason. He was a work in prog at that point, I saw him legit shaking his own head in frustration at himself for messing back to back plays up vs HOU. That's more logical than thinking he was doing the airguns in rook minicap.

TL has many months of work in front to hopefully get better, I understand he is working now.

Purdy was in iowa??

I've said this before many times but I think you're confused about what training camp is like.

What constitutes a change in QB depth chart during camp doesn't always reflect the quality of play by each individual QB.

It's entirely possible that Purdy was the best QB in camp but didn't receive enough reps to show it. That doesn't mean he was the same guy or didn't improve.

Because whether you're QB1, QB2, QB3, or QB4 that determines the amount of reps you have in general and if you have reps with or without the starters. There's a lot of politics involved with football but especially the QB position and especially in the NFL where there's a lot of money involved.

It's very strange you're trying to act like live game reps don't matter to a 21-22 year old QB by saying Purdy wasn't good in camp, with your evidence being one report by a random sportswriter. That's a very weak argument when you know damn well Purdy had a lot more experience in college than Trey.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
How can Brock have 25 yards when his total rushing is 13? I suppose he must have lost a great deal of yards on designed runs. And Trey is not a bad scrambler. Trey's problem with running is on designed runs to the outside. He's good up the middle and good scrambling WHEN HE DECIDES TO GO. Such as:

Notice he does a shake and bake on 54 a LB and it does nothing.

It's fine.. it's positive yardage.. but it's not anything I would put on a highlight reel, or a highlight reel play. He's gonna have to wow and win with his arm with what I am seeing of his running. And I think he can, particularly with these weapons.

Nothing? It makes him hesitate. You're so hellbent on the "fullback" narrative you're lying to yourself.

Watch how he strafes slightly left and then right instead of rushing in. Like I said, you're utterly lying to yourself.

What is the result of the play? The guy TL attempts to juke makes the tackle unassisted.

No. The hesitation/straffing got about two more yards out of that run.

I mean posting that just makes you look foolish. If thevLB was unconcerned he would have rushed straight in and got him behind the first down marker.

Look at the scoreboard it's 28-13 and the two min warning is already gone.. what do you think the D is doing there? They are just sitting back protecting endzone letting him get his free yards, and the one guy he tries to make miss, doesn't.

The play by play guy literally LOLs at TLs shake and bake move.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

QB's still have to see and hit "wide open WR's." It's not as easy as some make it sound.

No doubt. People in here have been s**tting on Lance for doing just that though. Taking away easy open reads that he's completed.

Hitting Deebo on schemed deep shots is not what he's talking about.

Yes I know one of them was not schemed

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Look at the scoreboard it's 28-13 and the two min warning is already gone.. what do you think the D is doing there? They are just sitting back protecting endzone letting him get his free yards, and the one guy he tries to make miss, doesn't.

The play by play guy literally LOLs at TLs shake and bake move.

It's 4th and 10, the OL breaks down on a 4 man rush…that's MORE people in the backfield to tackle Lance, not less.

my god you try to wayyy too hard.