Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
QB's still have to see and hit "wide open WR's." It's not as easy as some make it sound.

No doubt. People in here have been s**tting on Lance for doing just that though. Taking away easy open reads that he's completed.

Not me, that's silly talk. I do not care how "wide open" anyone thinks these WR's are, the QB still has to account for so many different things before and while finding the open WR and then delivering the ball accurately to them.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Look at the scoreboard it's 28-13 and the two min warning is already gone.. what do you think the D is doing there? They are just sitting back protecting endzone letting him get his free yards, and the one guy he tries to make miss, doesn't.

The play by play guy literally LOLs at TLs shake and bake move.

It's 4th and 10, the OL breaks down on a 4 man rush…that's MORE people in the backfield to tackle Lance, not less.

my god you try to wayyy too hard.

why do you think the play by play guy is chuckling there? If he's a player in this league, it will be because of his arm.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
How can Brock have 25 yards when his total rushing is 13? I suppose he must have lost a great deal of yards on designed runs. And Trey is not a bad scrambler. Trey's problem with running is on designed runs to the outside. He's good up the middle and good scrambling WHEN HE DECIDES TO GO. Such as:

Notice he does a shake and bake on 54 a LB and it does nothing.

It's fine.. it's positive yardage.. but it's not anything I would put on a highlight reel, or a highlight reel play. He's gonna have to wow and win with his arm with what I am seeing of his running. And I think he can, particularly with these weapons.

Nothing? It makes him hesitate. You're so hellbent on the "fullback" narrative you're lying to yourself.

Watch how he strafes slightly left and then right instead of rushing in. Like I said, you're utterly lying to yourself.

What is the result of the play? The guy TL attempts to juke makes the tackle unassisted.

No. The hesitation/straffing got about two more yards out of that run.

I mean posting that just makes you look foolish. If thevLB was unconcerned he would have rushed straight in and got him behind the first down marker.

Look at the scoreboard it's 28-13 and the two min warning is already gone.. what do you think the D is doing there? They are just sitting back protecting endzone letting him get his free yards, and the one guy he tries to make miss, doesn't.

The play by play guy literally LOLs at TLs shake and bake move.

Bruh it is clear and obvious the move caused 54 and I strafe left and then right. You're sitting here telling me the sky is green.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
How can Brock have 25 yards when his total rushing is 13? I suppose he must have lost a great deal of yards on designed runs. And Trey is not a bad scrambler. Trey's problem with running is on designed runs to the outside. He's good up the middle and good scrambling WHEN HE DECIDES TO GO. Such as:

Notice he does a shake and bake on 54 a LB and it does nothing.

It's fine.. it's positive yardage.. but it's not anything I would put on a highlight reel, or a highlight reel play. He's gonna have to wow and win with his arm with what I am seeing of his running. And I think he can, particularly with these weapons.

Nothing? It makes him hesitate. You're so hellbent on the "fullback" narrative you're lying to yourself.

Watch how he strafes slightly left and then right instead of rushing in. Like I said, you're utterly lying to yourself.

What is the result of the play? The guy TL attempts to juke makes the tackle unassisted.

No. The hesitation/straffing got about two more yards out of that run.

I mean posting that just makes you look foolish. If thevLB was unconcerned he would have rushed straight in and got him behind the first down marker.

Look at the scoreboard it's 28-13 and the two min warning is already gone.. what do you think the D is doing there? They are just sitting back protecting endzone letting him get his free yards, and the one guy he tries to make miss, doesn't.

The play by play guy literally LOLs at TLs shake and bake move.

Bruh it is clear and obvious the move caused 54 and I strafe left and then right. You're sitting here telling me the sky is green.

He doesn't make one dude miss or break one tackle.. that's the run you want everyone to gather round and be in awe of?..

it's a fine, very unspectacular play, that even the commentator thought looked a lil awkward with his juke stuff that didn't really work

moving on..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Look at the scoreboard it's 28-13 and the two min warning is already gone.. what do you think the D is doing there? They are just sitting back protecting endzone letting him get his free yards, and the one guy he tries to make miss, doesn't.

The play by play guy literally LOLs at TLs shake and bake move.

It's 4th and 10, the OL breaks down on a 4 man rush…that's MORE people in the backfield to tackle Lance, not less.

my god you try to wayyy too hard.

why do you think the play by play guy is chuckling there? If he's a player in this league, it will be because of his arm.

Haha he does get a little chuckle out of the announcer there. What the hell was he doing before he took off lol?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Anyone remember those wide ass open TD passes to Kittle in the commanders and seahawks games? What about that wide ass open TD pass to Deebo in the WC round? In fact, alot of Purdy's TD passes were to wide ass open receivers. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Take all of those away and the tape still shows a damn good QB

That insane TD% that he had made him look like an elite QB. He did have some tight window throws and was great at avoiding pressure. But without that godlike level of a TD%, he was still good but not great like he is being perceived.

QB's still have to see and hit "wide open WR's." It's not as easy as some make it sound.

Oh I completely agree. I just wish folks would have not used that same argument to down play Trey's play in this thread like they did this morning. Using that as a knock on a QB is silly and now everyone can see why when I put the shoe on the other guys foot.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
He doesn't make one dude miss or break one tackle.. that's the run you want everyone to gather round and be in awe of?..

it's a fine, very unspectacular play, that even the commentator thought looked a lil awkward with his juke stuff that didn't really work

moving on..

Was too busy fixated on the score to see the run.

13 points with under 2 minutes to go against that defense at home, lol (Yes, I'm aware Trey played the 2nd half only.)

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Hitting Deebo on schemed deep shots is not what he's talking about.

Yes I know one of them was not schemed

So why negate his play to Deebo? Dude was brought in to run play action and throw deep balls like that.

He's stupid young and you're tying to poo poo the things that he can do while he develops on other things. It's no different than what Watson did early in his career. He couldn't read coverages or run a pro-style offense based around timing. O'Brien basically ran the same offense he ran in Clemson. Ton of easy reads, spread offense and extending plays/throwing downfield.

And what we saying Lance can't hit open receivers now? Ya'll are embellishing how bad he played overall. No he wasn't Mahomes, yes there are flashes of good QBing. Kid is ridiculously young with not a ton of passing attempts. He didn't look lost out there which imo is impressive for how little he's played.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
How can Brock have 25 yards when his total rushing is 13? I suppose he must have lost a great deal of yards on designed runs. And Trey is not a bad scrambler. Trey's problem with running is on designed runs to the outside. He's good up the middle and good scrambling WHEN HE DECIDES TO GO. Such as:

Notice he does a shake and bake on 54 a LB and it does nothing.

It's fine.. it's positive yardage.. but it's not anything I would put on a highlight reel, or a highlight reel play. He's gonna have to wow and win with his arm with what I am seeing of his running. And I think he can, particularly with these weapons.

Nothing? It makes him hesitate. You're so hellbent on the "fullback" narrative you're lying to yourself.

Watch how he strafes slightly left and then right instead of rushing in. Like I said, you're utterly lying to yourself.

What is the result of the play? The guy TL attempts to juke makes the tackle unassisted.

No. The hesitation/straffing got about two more yards out of that run.

I mean posting that just makes you look foolish. If thevLB was unconcerned he would have rushed straight in and got him behind the first down marker.

Look at the scoreboard it's 28-13 and the two min warning is already gone.. what do you think the D is doing there? They are just sitting back protecting endzone letting him get his free yards, and the one guy he tries to make miss, doesn't.

The play by play guy literally LOLs at TLs shake and bake move.

Bruh it is clear and obvious the move caused 54 and I strafe left and then right. You're sitting here telling me the sky is green.

He doesn't make one dude miss or break one tackle.. that's the run you want everyone to gather round and be in awe of?..

it's a fine, very unspectacular play, that even the commentator thought looked a lil awkward with his juke stuff that didn't really work

moving on..

What about the duck under move on the DE and then the juke on the DT while in the pocket to even set up the run in the first place. Both were SPECIAL. Not sure about this crusade that you're on to minimize his running ability.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Anyone remember those wide ass open TD passes to Kittle in the commanders and seahawks games? What about that wide ass open TD pass to Deebo in the WC round? In fact, alot of Purdy's TD passes were to wide ass open receivers. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Take all of those away and the tape still shows a damn good QB

That insane TD% that he had made him look like an elite QB. He did have some tight window throws and was great at avoiding pressure. But without that godlike level of a TD%, he was still good but not great like he is being perceived.

QB's still have to see and hit "wide open WR's." It's not as easy as some make it sound.

Oh I completely agree. I just wish folks would have not used that same argument to down play Trey's play in this thread like they did this morning. Using that as a knock on a QB is silly and now everyone can see why when I put the shoe on the other guys foot.

It's a dumb argument regardless of who the QB is.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Anyone remember those wide ass open TD passes to Kittle in the commanders and seahawks games? What about that wide ass open TD pass to Deebo in the WC round? In fact, alot of Purdy's TD passes were to wide ass open receivers. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Take all of those away and the tape still shows a damn good QB

That insane TD% that he had made him look like an elite QB. He did have some tight window throws and was great at avoiding pressure. But without that godlike level of a TD%, he was still good but not great like he is being perceived.

QB's still have to see and hit "wide open WR's." It's not as easy as some make it sound.

Oh I completely agree. I just wish folks would have not used that same argument to down play Trey's play in this thread like they did this morning. Using that as a knock on a QB is silly and now everyone can see why when I put the shoe on the other guys foot.

It's a dumb argument regardless of who the QB is.

I know. That is my point. It's a dumb argument.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Hitting Deebo on schemed deep shots is not what he's talking about.

Yes I know one of them was not schemed

So why negate his play to Deebo? Dude was brought in to run play action and throw deep balls like that.

He's stupid young and you're tying to poo poo the things that he can do while he develops on other things. It's no different than what Watson did early in his career. He couldn't read coverages or run a pro-style offense based around timing. O'Brien basically ran the same offense he ran in Clemson. Ton of easy reads, spread offense and extending plays/throwing downfield.

And what we saying Lance can't hit open receivers now? Ya'll are embellishing how bad he played overall. No he wasn't Mahomes, yes there are flashes of good QBing. Kid is ridiculously young with not a ton of passing attempts. He didn't look lost out there which imo is impressive for how little he's played.

I'm not trying to negate his play, it's all he has to stand on. Jimmy used to hit those scheduled shots too. Trey is not separating himself doing this and he's not reading anything on those plays. A lot of his stats (which aren't very good to begin with) depend on these three plays that really don't show us anything. That's why I said take them away and ask yourself what does he do good

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
How can Brock have 25 yards when his total rushing is 13? I suppose he must have lost a great deal of yards on designed runs. And Trey is not a bad scrambler. Trey's problem with running is on designed runs to the outside. He's good up the middle and good scrambling WHEN HE DECIDES TO GO. Such as:

Notice he does a shake and bake on 54 a LB and it does nothing.

It's fine.. it's positive yardage.. but it's not anything I would put on a highlight reel, or a highlight reel play. He's gonna have to wow and win with his arm with what I am seeing of his running. And I think he can, particularly with these weapons.

Nothing? It makes him hesitate. You're so hellbent on the "fullback" narrative you're lying to yourself.

Watch how he strafes slightly left and then right instead of rushing in. Like I said, you're utterly lying to yourself.

What is the result of the play? The guy TL attempts to juke makes the tackle unassisted.

No. The hesitation/straffing got about two more yards out of that run.

I mean posting that just makes you look foolish. If thevLB was unconcerned he would have rushed straight in and got him behind the first down marker.

Look at the scoreboard it's 28-13 and the two min warning is already gone.. what do you think the D is doing there? They are just sitting back protecting endzone letting him get his free yards, and the one guy he tries to make miss, doesn't.

The play by play guy literally LOLs at TLs shake and bake move.

Bruh it is clear and obvious the move caused 54 and I strafe left and then right. You're sitting here telling me the sky is green.

He doesn't make one dude miss or break one tackle.. that's the run you want everyone to gather round and be in awe of?..

it's a fine, very unspectacular play, that even the commentator thought looked a lil awkward with his juke stuff that didn't really work

moving on..

You seem to think jukes work like in Madden. Usually they don't. He bought hesitation with that.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I'm not trying to negate his play, it's all he has to stand on. Jimmy used to hit those scheduled shots too. Trey is not separating himself doing this and he's not reading anything on those plays. A lot of his stats (which aren't very good to begin with) depend on these three plays that really don't show us anything. That's why I said take them away and ask yourself what does he do good

I wouldn't describe that play as a scheduled shot, like his TD to Deebo against the Texans.

It was just a completely broken coverage. Glad he saw it.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Hitting Deebo on schemed deep shots is not what he's talking about.

Yes I know one of them was not schemed

So why negate his play to Deebo? Dude was brought in to run play action and throw deep balls like that.

He's stupid young and you're tying to poo poo the things that he can do while he develops on other things. It's no different than what Watson did early in his career. He couldn't read coverages or run a pro-style offense based around timing. O'Brien basically ran the same offense he ran in Clemson. Ton of easy reads, spread offense and extending plays/throwing downfield.

And what we saying Lance can't hit open receivers now? Ya'll are embellishing how bad he played overall. No he wasn't Mahomes, yes there are flashes of good QBing. Kid is ridiculously young with not a ton of passing attempts. He didn't look lost out there which imo is impressive for how little he's played.

I'm not trying to negate his play, it's all he has to stand on. Jimmy used to hit those scheduled shots too. Trey is not separating himself doing this and he's not reading anything on those plays. A lot of his stats (which aren't very good to begin with) depend on these three plays that really don't show us anything. That's why I said take them away and ask yourself what does he do good

Neither Jimmy nor Brock has the arm to make that 45 yard throw from the opposite hash mark that Trey made to Deebo so he can do that better than either of them.