Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Hitting Deebo on schemed deep shots is not what he's talking about.

Yes I know one of them was not schemed

So why negate his play to Deebo? Dude was brought in to run play action and throw deep balls like that.

He's stupid young and you're tying to poo poo the things that he can do while he develops on other things. It's no different than what Watson did early in his career. He couldn't read coverages or run a pro-style offense based around timing. O'Brien basically ran the same offense he ran in Clemson. Ton of easy reads, spread offense and extending plays/throwing downfield.

And what we saying Lance can't hit open receivers now? Ya'll are embellishing how bad he played overall. No he wasn't Mahomes, yes there are flashes of good QBing. Kid is ridiculously young with not a ton of passing attempts. He didn't look lost out there which imo is impressive for how little he's played.

I'm not trying to negate his play, it's all he has to stand on. Jimmy used to hit those scheduled shots too. Trey is not separating himself doing this and he's not reading anything on those plays. A lot of his stats (which aren't very good to begin with) depend on these three plays that really don't show us anything. That's why I said take them away and ask yourself what does he do good

I love Jimmy, and Jimmy has his own strengths that make him a great QB so I'm not trying to bash him, but he missed A TON of those scheduled shots. He was often a beat late in throwing those intermediate/deep throws, and his deep ball would flutter... allowing defenders a chance to make a play on the ball. Or he would be just a little off the mark.

Purdy has shown a similar tendency, but not as bad, so he's had more success than Jimmy. And because he's a young QB, there's optimism that he'll improve that. Those shot throws aren't as easy as they seem.

Let's go trey. I'm ready to ride the hype train. Or if it's Purdy. Let's fn go. Like in godzilla 14. Let them fight

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Neither Jimmy nor Brock has the arm to make that 45 yard throw from the opposite hash mark that Trey made to Deebo so he can do that better than either of them.

Both of them can make that play*, but not in the fashion Trey did. They'd have to throw it earlier and put enough air on it to allow Deebo to run underneath it, or even back to it. The design of the play gives massive space to where you can safely put the ball, and only allow Deebo a chance at it.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I'm not trying to negate his play, it's all he has to stand on. Jimmy used to hit those scheduled shots too. Trey is not separating himself doing this and he's not reading anything on those plays. A lot of his stats (which aren't very good to begin with) depend on these three plays that really don't show us anything. That's why I said take them away and ask yourself what does he do good

I wouldn't describe that play as a scheduled shot, like his TD to Deebo against the Texans.

It was just a completely broken coverage. Glad he saw it.

Yes I know

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
why do you think the play by play guy is chuckling there? If he's a player in this league, it will be because of his arm.

Lol so now that's what you're talking about. The play by play guy. Man you're something else

Originally posted by Furlow:
What about the duck under move on the DE and then the juke on the DT while in the pocket to even set up the run in the first place. Both were SPECIAL. Not sure about this crusade that you're on to minimize his running ability.

That's all I'm saying. It's not Lamar dodging half a football team. It's also not Tom Brady running for 3 yards and running out of bounds.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
That's all I'm saying. It's not Lamar dodging half a football team. It's also not Tom Brady running for 3 yards and running out of bounds.

Brian Urlacher would like a word.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Hitting Deebo on schemed deep shots is not what he's talking about.

Yes I know one of them was not schemed

So why negate his play to Deebo? Dude was brought in to run play action and throw deep balls like that.

He's stupid young and you're tying to poo poo the things that he can do while he develops on other things. It's no different than what Watson did early in his career. He couldn't read coverages or run a pro-style offense based around timing. O'Brien basically ran the same offense he ran in Clemson. Ton of easy reads, spread offense and extending plays/throwing downfield.

And what we saying Lance can't hit open receivers now? Ya'll are embellishing how bad he played overall. No he wasn't Mahomes, yes there are flashes of good QBing. Kid is ridiculously young with not a ton of passing attempts. He didn't look lost out there which imo is impressive for how little he's played.

I'm not trying to negate his play, it's all he has to stand on. Jimmy used to hit those scheduled shots too. Trey is not separating himself doing this and he's not reading anything on those plays. A lot of his stats (which aren't very good to begin with) depend on these three plays that really don't show us anything. That's why I said take them away and ask yourself what does he do good

I love Jimmy, and Jimmy has his own strengths that make him a great QB so I'm not trying to bash him, but he missed A TON of those scheduled shots. He was often a beat late in throwing those intermediate/deep throws, and his deep ball would flutter... allowing defenders a chance to make a play on the ball. Or he would be just a little off the mark.

Purdy has shown a similar tendency, but not as bad, so he's had more success than Jimmy. And because he's a young QB, there's optimism that he'll improve that. Those shot throws aren't as easy as they seem.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

I love Jimmy, and Jimmy has his own strengths that make him a great QB so I'm not trying to bash him, but he missed A TON of those scheduled shots. He was often a beat late in throwing those intermediate/deep throws, and his deep ball would flutter... allowing defenders a chance to make a play on the ball. Or he would be just a little off the mark.

Purdy has shown a similar tendency, but not as bad, so he's had more success than Jimmy. And because he's a young QB, there's optimism that he'll improve that. Those shot throws aren't as easy as they seem.

Agreed that's why Jimmy is the perfect example. He wasn't perfect no, but Trey isn't doing anything impressive hitting on these either. We all knew he had a strong arm coming out though, he's not showing me much on those plays

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I'm not trying to negate his play, it's all he has to stand on. Jimmy used to hit those scheduled shots too. Trey is not separating himself doing this and he's not reading anything on those plays. A lot of his stats (which aren't very good to begin with) depend on these three plays that really don't show us anything. That's why I said take them away and ask yourself what does he do good

No it absolutely isn't. The fact that you think the only play he's made is a play action deep ball (which was a damn good throw) and a wide open Deebo on a broken play tells me you're embellishing like crazy.

Jimmy wasn't not hitting 50 yard play actions like Trey. He wasn't hitting Deebo wide open on a broken play, flat footed 40 yards with DL all around his feet. He isn't layer throws outside the numbers in the rain like lance did vs Chicago.

You can't negate certain Lance plays, then say I don't care how production happens when talking about other QBs. It's f**king hypothetical and if you can't see that then there's no conversation left here.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Both of them can make that play*, but not in the fashion Trey did. They'd have to throw it earlier and put enough air on it to allow Deebo to run underneath it, or even back to it. The design of the play gives massive space to where you can safely put the ball, and only allow Deebo a chance at it.

Lol no that can't

Originally posted by NYniner85:

No it absolutely isn't. The fact that you think the only play he's made is a play action deep ball (which was a damn good throw) and a wide open Deebo on a broken play tells me you're embellishing like crazy.

Jimmy wasn't not hitting 50 yard play actions like Trey. He wasn't hitting Deebo wide open on a broken play, flat footed 40 yards with DL all around his feet. He isn't layer throws outside the numbers in the rain like lance did vs Chicago.

You can't negate certain Lance plays, then say I don't care how production happens when talking about other QBs. It's f**king hypothetical and if you can't see that then there's no conversation left here.

How is it hypocritical? I was talking about QB styles and how my offense moves the ball. It wasn't in the context of grading a player. Again you are taking those words out of context

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
why do you think the play by play guy is chuckling there? If he's a player in this league, it will be because of his arm.

40 secs in, junks a LBer.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Both of them can make that play*, but not in the fashion Trey did. They'd have to throw it earlier and put enough air on it to allow Deebo to run underneath it, or even back to it. The design of the play gives massive space to where you can safely put the ball, and only allow Deebo a chance at it.

Lol no that can't

They can do without that play. Trey can't

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Neither Jimmy nor Brock has the arm to make that 45 yard throw from the opposite hash mark that Trey made to Deebo so he can do that better than either of them.

Both of them can make that play*, but not in the fashion Trey did. They'd have to throw it earlier and put enough air on it to allow Deebo to run underneath it, or even back to it. The design of the play gives massive space to where you can safely put the ball, and only allow Deebo a chance at it.

Neither Brock nor Jimmy has an arm like Trey's. Chop and dice it up anyway you want. They cannot in their wildest dreams make that kind of throw.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
why do you think the play by play guy is chuckling there? If he's a player in this league, it will be because of his arm.

The things I read daily

Trey Lance

CAN'T Make easy throws
CAN'T Throw with touch
CAN'T Get past his first read
NO pocket awareness
OVERRATED Athlete

Let alone crap conditions, no Kittle, no CMC, Mitchell hurt. Does this look like a QB who CAN'T do the above? Or hasn't grown? pic.twitter.com/BOcaEkbxKy

— Jessie🎙 (@JNay_LSS) February 3, 2023

40 secs in, junks a LBer.

At this point I wonder why we bother. I'm convinced the Jimmy stans turned off the TV when Lance was playing. At least they seemed to have watched Purdy.