Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by bigmur49:

Shanny was totally set to trade Jimmy and have Lance start last year with only Sudfeld/7th round QB as a backup, with a team that has SB goals.

He played 1 ridiculous monsoon game and then got hurt.

Why would anything have changed? Even if they think Purdy is the real deal, they're not gonna cut bait with Lance until they know for sure he is not the superstar they drafted.

I still think he is QB1 and is going to win ring 6, and maybe 7 and 8 with the Niners!!

Yes, I am an undying homer lol.

Getting rid of Jimmy was a money move, it wasn't a Trey > Jimmy move. They decided they were moving on from Jimmy and traded up before they ever decided on Lance. Lance was forced into a situation he wasnt ready for because Jimmy wasn't worth his contract. After investing so much into this plan of course he got the start, but when a QB shows out the way Brock did, plans change.

Before Brock got hurt the rally cry was open competition. "Why you guys scared of open competition let the best man win." "If Brock is better....yadda yadda yadda". Why can't Sam have the same open competition? What if he is indeed the better option. Thought competition doesn't hurt. Or does that only work when Trey is clearly the inferior option?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Getting rid of Jimmy was a money move, it wasn't a Trey > Jimmy move. They decided they were moving on from Jimmy and traded up before they ever decided on Lance. Lance was forced into a situation he wasnt ready for because Jimmy wasn't worth his contract. After investing so much into this plan of course he got the start, but when a QB shows out the way Brock did, plans change.

Don't you try and rewrite history. They traded up for Trey but they then took opportunity to look around to be sure. Money did play a factor but they would gladly play Jimmy if they believed he gave us the best shot at the Lombardi trophies of the future. If you had prime Peyton Manning you pay the money and then settle everything else thereafter

Originally posted by krizay:
Before Brock got hurt the rally cry was open competition. "Why you guys scared of open competition let the best man win." "If Brock is better....yadda yadda yadda". Why can't Sam have the same open competition? What if he is indeed the better option. Thought competition doesn't hurt. Or does that only work when Trey is clearly the inferior option?

Sam is the only guy healthy now so he has that going for him. This guy has talent so let him get out there but you would be homeless if you bet on Darnold starting for us week 1

There's no point in competition because we know who the more effective quarterback is. There should be continued development of trey so he will continue to improve. Darnold will help out if better qb isn't available due to injury. There's no confusion so there's no need for competition.

Now, things can always change.

For example suppose purdy plays really really bad. Then we would have to re-evaluate. Or either of the other two qbs show drastic physical and mental high level performance, forcing a reevaluation of who we thought they were based on prior performance. That might open the door to shuffling around otc and training camp qb schedules and assignments.

But other than that, things are pretty set.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
There's no point in competition because we know who the more effective quarterback is. There should be continued development of trey so he will continue to improve. Darnold will help out if better qb isn't available due to injury. There's no confusion so there's no need for competition.

Now, things can always change.

For example suppose purdy plays really really bad. Then we would have to re-evaluate. Or either of the other two qbs show drastic physical and mental high level performance, forcing a reevaluation of who we thought they were based on prior performance. That might open the door to shuffling around otc and training camp qb schedules and assignments.

But other than that, things are pretty set.

I've already told you how this this thing is gonna play out. Trey is starting week one barring injury because Brock can't go yet. Once Brock can contribute he then becomes the first option if Trey can't handle business

Originally posted by Koldo:
Trey cannot in his wildest dreams make an off-schedule play like this.

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Just an incredible play from Brock Purdy. The sense and quickness to make multiple defenders miss while keeping his eyes downfield, throwing an absolute bullseye to Brandon Aiyuk in the corner of the endzone. One catch away from being among the #49ers' all-time highlights. pic.twitter.com/1WdMYbGt6K

— Rob Lowder (@Rob_Lowder) January 15, 2023

He's going to make plenty of them this year when he gets his starting job back and plays every game. And the catch will be made.

Originally posted by krizay:
Before Brock got hurt the rally cry was open competition. "Why you guys scared of open competition let the best man win." "If Brock is better....yadda yadda yadda". Why can't Sam have the same open competition? What if he is indeed the better option. Thought competition doesn't hurt. Or does that only work when Trey is clearly the inferior option?

Open competition for the two young guys who haven't played enough to know what they are? Absolutely.

Open competition for a retread who hasn't shown enough that two teams gave up on him? No thank you. Be the backup.

Pats aren't gonna have an open competition either even though they might be starting the inferior option.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by krizay:

Before Brock got hurt the rally cry was open competition. "Why you guys scared of open competition let the best man win." "If Brock is better....yadda yadda yadda". Why can't Sam have the same open competition? What if he is indeed the better option. Thought competition doesn't hurt. Or does that only work when Trey is clearly the inferior option?

Open competition for the two young guys who haven't played enough to know what they are? Absolutely.

Open competition for a retread who hasn't shown enough that two teams gave up on him? No thank you. Be the backup.

Pats aren't gonna have an open competition either even though they might be starting the inferior option.

Pats don't even have a realistic shot at winning their division. They can afford to see if their mistake works out.

We can't afford that. If we have a better option we have to start him, especially with Purdy coming back

Originally posted by krizay:
Before Brock got hurt the rally cry was open competition. "Why you guys scared of open competition let the best man win." "If Brock is better....yadda yadda yadda". Why can't Sam have the same open competition? What if he is indeed the better option. Thought competition doesn't hurt. Or does that only work when Trey is clearly the inferior option?

Like I said last year and in 2021, the expectation with Lance is that by the stretch run or the playoffs, he should be a more seasoned and improved player than he is at the start of the season. Thats why I dont really dont care if Darnold is slightly better at the start of the season. And neither should the coaches. If the coaches think Darnold is ahead week 1, but believe that come week 8 Trey would be better than Darnold is, then they start Trey.

Its like you guys who have this opinion refuse to acknowledge that improvement is very possible with reps.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
There's no point in competition because we know who the more effective quarterback is. There should be continued development of trey so he will continue to improve. Darnold will help out if better qb isn't available due to injury. There's no confusion so there's no need for competition.

Now, things can always change.

For example suppose purdy plays really really bad. Then we would have to re-evaluate. Or either of the other two qbs show drastic physical and mental high level performance, forcing a reevaluation of who we thought they were based on prior performance. That might open the door to shuffling around otc and training camp qb schedules and assignments.

But other than that, things are pretty set.

I've already told you how this this thing is gonna play out. Trey is starting week one barring injury because Brock can't go yet. Once Brock can contribute he then becomes the first option if Trey can't handle business

So basically it's Trey's job to win or lose. If he starts week one, then he'll remain the starter if he plays well. If he doesn't play well, then the door is open. It's all dependent on what he does or doesn't do.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by krizay:
Before Brock got hurt the rally cry was open competition. "Why you guys scared of open competition let the best man win." "If Brock is better....yadda yadda yadda". Why can't Sam have the same open competition? What if he is indeed the better option. Thought competition doesn't hurt. Or does that only work when Trey is clearly the inferior option?

Open competition for the two young guys who haven't played enough to know what they are? Absolutely.

Open competition for a retread who hasn't shown enough that two teams gave up on him? No thank you. Be the backup.

Pats aren't gonna have an open competition either even though they might be starting the inferior option.

Pats don't even have a realistic shot at winning their division. They can afford to see if their mistake works out.

We can't afford that. If we have a better option we have to start him, especially with Purdy coming back

Our division looks so horrible that I think we could win it this year without even trying. We could litterally pound the ball 40 times a game and let our defense do its thing.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Its like you guys who have this opinion refuse to acknowledge that improvement is very possible with reps.

I find ppl refuse to acknowledge that improvement is possible with prax reps. Yet QBs do it all the time, and TL will need to also. This is a SB team, can't be effing around in regular season. He's got months to work and improve. It's called offseason. Sure you can improve while the real games are being played, but that's far from ideal if he needs to struggle there in order to succeed.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Its like you guys who have this opinion refuse to acknowledge that improvement is very possible with reps.

I find ppl refuse to acknowledge that improvement is possible with prax reps. Yet QBs do it all the time, and TL will need to also. This is a SB team, can't be effing around in regular season. He's got months to work and improve. It's called offseason. Sure you can improve while the real games are being played, but that's far from ideal if he needs to struggle there in order to succeed.

How much can a QB really improve when all he's doing is throwing against air? Lance needs dropback reps with real coverages being played. Not one WR running a route versus cones, and being wide open all the time.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by krizay:
Before Brock got hurt the rally cry was open competition. "Why you guys scared of open competition let the best man win." "If Brock is better....yadda yadda yadda". Why can't Sam have the same open competition? What if he is indeed the better option. Thought competition doesn't hurt. Or does that only work when Trey is clearly the inferior option?

Open competition for the two young guys who haven't played enough to know what they are? Absolutely.

Open competition for a retread who hasn't shown enough that two teams gave up on him? No thank you. Be the backup.

Pats aren't gonna have an open competition either even though they might be starting the inferior option.

Pats don't even have a realistic shot at winning their division. They can afford to see if their mistake works out.

We can't afford that. If we have a better option we have to start him, especially with Purdy coming back

Our division looks so horrible that I think we could win it this year without even trying. We could litterally pound the ball 40 times a game and let our defense do its thing.

Our entire conference is weak. AFC is gonna be absolutely stacked once Rodgers goes to NY. As of now it looks like an absolute certainty that we will play Dallas in the NFCCG.