Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Its like you guys who have this opinion refuse to acknowledge that improvement is very possible with reps.

I find ppl refuse to acknowledge that improvement is possible with prax reps. Yet QBs do it all the time, and TL will need to also. This is a SB team, can't be effing around in regular season. He's got months to work and improve. It's called offseason. Sure you can improve while the real games are being played, but that's far from ideal if he needs to struggle there in order to succeed.

How much can a QB really improve when all he's doing is throwing against air? Lance needs dropback reps with real coverages being played. Not one WR running a route versus cones, and being wide open all the time.

This proves my point.. essentially the argument that improvement can't be had in prax or offseason, or at least not in a significant way, I disagree, and countless QBs have done it.. we just watched Brock improve a great deal from May, to preseason, to MIA or TB games.. even teammates came out and said, he wasn't fooling around in prax, he was using all that time / reps to get better.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by krizay:
Before Brock got hurt the rally cry was open competition. "Why you guys scared of open competition let the best man win." "If Brock is better....yadda yadda yadda". Why can't Sam have the same open competition? What if he is indeed the better option. Thought competition doesn't hurt. Or does that only work when Trey is clearly the inferior option?

Open competition for the two young guys who haven't played enough to know what they are? Absolutely.

Open competition for a retread who hasn't shown enough that two teams gave up on him? No thank you. Be the backup.

Pats aren't gonna have an open competition either even though they might be starting the inferior option.

Pats don't even have a realistic shot at winning their division. They can afford to see if their mistake works out.

We can't afford that. If we have a better option we have to start him, especially with Purdy coming back

Our division looks so horrible that I think we could win it this year without even trying. We could litterally pound the ball 40 times a game and let our defense do its thing.

Our entire conference is weak. AFC is gonna be absolutely stacked once Rodgers goes to NY. As of now it looks like an absolute certainty that we will play Dallas in the NFCCG.

Philly may have lost a couple of starters on defense but their offense is still pretty much intact and they do have 2x 1st round draft picks. I wouldn't count them out just yet.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
There's no point in competition because we know who the more effective quarterback is. There should be continued development of trey so he will continue to improve. Darnold will help out if better qb isn't available due to injury. There's no confusion so there's no need for competition.

Now, things can always change.

For example suppose purdy plays really really bad. Then we would have to re-evaluate. Or either of the other two qbs show drastic physical and mental high level performance, forcing a reevaluation of who we thought they were based on prior performance. That might open the door to shuffling around otc and training camp qb schedules and assignments.

But other than that, things are pretty set.

I've already told you how this this thing is gonna play out. Trey is starting week one barring injury because Brock can't go yet. Once Brock can contribute he then becomes the first option if Trey can't handle business

Even if Trey shows out, once Brock is healthy enough to go, he'll be the starter.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by krizay:
Before Brock got hurt the rally cry was open competition. "Why you guys scared of open competition let the best man win." "If Brock is better....yadda yadda yadda". Why can't Sam have the same open competition? What if he is indeed the better option. Thought competition doesn't hurt. Or does that only work when Trey is clearly the inferior option?

Open competition for the two young guys who haven't played enough to know what they are? Absolutely.

Open competition for a retread who hasn't shown enough that two teams gave up on him? No thank you. Be the backup.

Pats aren't gonna have an open competition either even though they might be starting the inferior option.

Pats don't even have a realistic shot at winning their division. They can afford to see if their mistake works out.

We can't afford that. If we have a better option we have to start him, especially with Purdy coming back

Our division looks so horrible that I think we could win it this year without even trying. We could litterally pound the ball 40 times a game and let our defense do its thing.

Our entire conference is weak. AFC is gonna be absolutely stacked once Rodgers goes to NY. As of now it looks like an absolute certainty that we will play Dallas in the NFCCG.

Philly may have lost a couple of starters on defense but their offense is still pretty much intact and they do have 2x 1st round draft picks. I wouldn't count them out just yet.

Seattle has two 1sts and two 2nds. Looks good but htye still need to hit on those picks. It increase their chances of getting a good player but we all know there aren't any guarantees in the NFL.

Case in point.We just added a 1st round (4th overall) pick that never panned out for the Raiders. We have a 1srt round pick (Kinlaw) that can't even stay on the field. Same for Lance up to this point.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Its like you guys who have this opinion refuse to acknowledge that improvement is very possible with reps.

I find ppl refuse to acknowledge that improvement is possible with prax reps. Yet QBs do it all the time, and TL will need to also. This is a SB team, can't be effing around in regular season. He's got months to work and improve. It's called offseason. Sure you can improve while the real games are being played, but that's far from ideal if he needs to struggle there in order to succeed.

How much can a QB really improve when all he's doing is throwing against air? Lance needs dropback reps with real coverages being played. Not one WR running a route versus cones, and being wide open all the time.

This proves my point.. essentially the argument that improvement can't be had in prax or offseason, or at least not in a significant way, I disagree, and countless QBs have done it.. we just watched Brock improve a great deal from May, to preseason, to MIA or TB games.. even teammates came out and said, he wasn't fooling around in prax, he was using all that time / reps to get better.

LMAO it absoutely does NOT prove your point. There isnt a soul on this message board that is arguing that any improvement cannot happen in practice.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by krizay:
Before Brock got hurt the rally cry was open competition. "Why you guys scared of open competition let the best man win." "If Brock is better....yadda yadda yadda". Why can't Sam have the same open competition? What if he is indeed the better option. Thought competition doesn't hurt. Or does that only work when Trey is clearly the inferior option?

Open competition for the two young guys who haven't played enough to know what they are? Absolutely.

Open competition for a retread who hasn't shown enough that two teams gave up on him? No thank you. Be the backup.

Pats aren't gonna have an open competition either even though they might be starting the inferior option.

Pats don't even have a realistic shot at winning their division. They can afford to see if their mistake works out.

We can't afford that. If we have a better option we have to start him, especially with Purdy coming back

Our division looks so horrible that I think we could win it this year without even trying. We could litterally pound the ball 40 times a game and let our defense do its thing.

Our entire conference is weak. AFC is gonna be absolutely stacked once Rodgers goes to NY. As of now it looks like an absolute certainty that we will play Dallas in the NFCCG.

Philly may have lost a couple of starters on defense but their offense is still pretty much intact and they do have 2x 1st round draft picks. I wouldn't count them out just yet.

Seattle has two 1sts and two 2nds. Looks good but htye still need to hit on those picks. It increase their chances of getting a good player but we all know there aren't any guarantees in the NFL.

Case in point.We just added a 1st round (4th overall) pick that never panned out for the Raiders. We have a 1srt round pick (Kinlaw) that can't even stay on the field. Same for Lance up to this point.

So you think they are just going to take a nose dive? I don't. Even if those 1st rounders don't contribute this upcoming season, I still see them as 1 of the top 3 teams in the NFC.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Its like you guys who have this opinion refuse to acknowledge that improvement is very possible with reps.

I find ppl refuse to acknowledge that improvement is possible with prax reps. Yet QBs do it all the time, and TL will need to also. This is a SB team, can't be effing around in regular season. He's got months to work and improve. It's called offseason. Sure you can improve while the real games are being played, but that's far from ideal if he needs to struggle there in order to succeed.

How much can a QB really improve when all he's doing is throwing against air? Lance needs dropback reps with real coverages being played. Not one WR running a route versus cones, and being wide open all the time.

This proves my point.. essentially the argument that improvement can't be had in prax or offseason, or at least not in a significant way, I disagree, and countless QBs have done it.. we just watched Brock improve a great deal from May, to preseason, to MIA or TB games.. even teammates came out and said, he wasn't fooling around in prax, he was using all that time / reps to get better.

LMAO it absoutely does NOT prove your point. There isnt a soul on this message board that is arguing that any improvement cannot happen in practice.

thl just questioned how much it really helps or really matters.. he said gotta do it live fire.. course Mahomes sat a year, dominated the next, and everyone said he was raw as can be, dozens of others also, but Mahomes was the specific example KS mentioned as our model we are trying to follow in terms of sit him, develop from the bench a year, then be QB1, produce, win games, etc.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Like I said last year and in 2021, the expectation with Lance is that by the stretch run or the playoffs, he should be a more seasoned and improved player than he is at the start of the season. Thats why I dont really dont care if Darnold is slightly better at the start of the season. And neither should the coaches. If the coaches think Darnold is ahead week 1, but believe that come week 8 Trey would be better than Darnold is, then they start Trey.

Its like you guys who have this opinion refuse to acknowledge that improvement is very possible with reps.

This all makes sense, and if it was just between playing Sam and Trey and for the full season, you'd rather play Trey and hope he develops.

But this isn't the situation. We have Purdy, who's set to return at the beginning of the season. It's not a question of who would be the better option of Trey and Sam over a full season of play. It's a question of who is the best bridge player until Purdy can return. It's true we aren't sure what Purdy is going to be when he gets back, but clearly he's shown enough that the team would 'gamble' on him first.

The only way Trey is playing long term next season is if he plays at a level close or equal to what we saw from Purdy, or if Purdy has major setbacks and just isn't available.

I bet we will see a big jump from TL this offseason; throwing the football, more decisive, accurate, you name it

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I bet we will see a big jump from TL this offseason; throwing the football, more decisive, accurate, you name it

That would be the best case scenario for the team.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Like I said last year and in 2021, the expectation with Lance is that by the stretch run or the playoffs, he should be a more seasoned and improved player than he is at the start of the season. Thats why I dont really dont care if Darnold is slightly better at the start of the season. And neither should the coaches. If the coaches think Darnold is ahead week 1, but believe that come week 8 Trey would be better than Darnold is, then they start Trey.

Its like you guys who have this opinion refuse to acknowledge that improvement is very possible with reps.

This all makes sense, and if it was just between playing Sam and Trey and for the full season, you'd rather play Trey and hope he develops.

But this isn't the situation. We have Purdy, who's set to return at the beginning of the season. It's not a question of who would be the better option of Trey and Sam over a full season of play. It's a question of who is the best bridge player until Purdy can return. It's true we aren't sure what Purdy is going to be when he gets back, but clearly he's shown enough that the team would 'gamble' on him first.

The only way Trey is playing long term next season is if he plays at a level close or equal to what we saw from Purdy, or if Purdy has major setbacks and just isn't available.

So you believe that even if the team is winning and Trey is showing steady improvement, Kyle would yank him if he isn't playing at the level Purdy? Yeah, no way that happens. Now if he is not improving, if we're not winning or if he gets injured Purdy will come in, but Kyle isn't gonna be comparing Trey's stats to Purdy's from last year and pull him if they aren't similar.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Philly may have lost a couple of starters on defense but their offense is still pretty much intact and they do have 2x 1st round draft picks. I wouldn't count them out just yet.

Did lose their running back

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I bet we will see a big jump from TL this offseason; throwing the football, more decisive, accurate, you name it

That would be the best case scenario for the team.

Early on his head was probably spinning with the adjustment from college ND State to NFL that's a big jump, and ppl don't consider the life change of moving out west from North Dakota, that's a bit of a culture shock, coming into all that money, fame, etc. Need an adjustment period, then all the injuries.. He realizes this offseason it's all about football and he has the incentive to earn the 2nd contract, the 5th year option, and so forth.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Like I said last year and in 2021, the expectation with Lance is that by the stretch run or the playoffs, he should be a more seasoned and improved player than he is at the start of the season. Thats why I dont really dont care if Darnold is slightly better at the start of the season. And neither should the coaches. If the coaches think Darnold is ahead week 1, but believe that come week 8 Trey would be better than Darnold is, then they start Trey.

Its like you guys who have this opinion refuse to acknowledge that improvement is very possible with reps.

This all makes sense, and if it was just between playing Sam and Trey and for the full season, you'd rather play Trey and hope he develops.

But this isn't the situation. We have Purdy, who's set to return at the beginning of the season. It's not a question of who would be the better option of Trey and Sam over a full season of play. It's a question of who is the best bridge player until Purdy can return. It's true we aren't sure what Purdy is going to be when he gets back, but clearly he's shown enough that the team would 'gamble' on him first.

The only way Trey is playing long term next season is if he plays at a level close or equal to what we saw from Purdy, or if Purdy has major setbacks and just isn't available.

Patrick Mahomes lead the league in TD passes last season. His TD rate was 6.3%. That TD% is considered elite. Brock Purdy's TD rate was 7.65% last season. I find it hard to believe that Brock could sustain that level of success and would not be fair to expect that level of play for any QB in the league, including Mahomes.

With that said. As long as Trey is moving the chains and we are winning games, Shanahan is not replacing him with Brock Purdy. Purdy will have to be supportive of Trey just like Trey was supportive of Brock last season and wait patiently for his next opportunity.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Philly may have lost a couple of starters on defense but their offense is still pretty much intact and they do have 2x 1st round draft picks. I wouldn't count them out just yet.

Did lose their running back

Trey Sermon moving up the chart