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Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Like I said last year and in 2021, the expectation with Lance is that by the stretch run or the playoffs, he should be a more seasoned and improved player than he is at the start of the season. Thats why I dont really dont care if Darnold is slightly better at the start of the season. And neither should the coaches. If the coaches think Darnold is ahead week 1, but believe that come week 8 Trey would be better than Darnold is, then they start Trey.

Its like you guys who have this opinion refuse to acknowledge that improvement is very possible with reps.

This all makes sense, and if it was just between playing Sam and Trey and for the full season, you'd rather play Trey and hope he develops.

But this isn't the situation. We have Purdy, who's set to return at the beginning of the season. It's not a question of who would be the better option of Trey and Sam over a full season of play. It's a question of who is the best bridge player until Purdy can return. It's true we aren't sure what Purdy is going to be when he gets back, but clearly he's shown enough that the team would 'gamble' on him first.

The only way Trey is playing long term next season is if he plays at a level close or equal to what we saw from Purdy, or if Purdy has major setbacks and just isn't available.

Patrick Mahomes lead the league in TD passes last season. His TD rate was 6.3%. That TD% is considered elite. Brock Purdy's TD rate was 7.65% last season. I find it hard to believe that Brock could sustain that level of success and would not be fair to expect that level of play for any QB in the league, including Mahomes.

With that said. As long as Trey is moving the chains and we are winning games, Shanahan is not replacing him with Brock Purdy. Purdy will have to be supportive of Trey just like Trey was supportive of Brock last season and wait patiently for his next opportunity.

How is this so hard to accept? And why would anyone want to make a change if we are winning and Trey is showing improvements? BTW that TD rate is absolutely insane.

Replace Trey with Jimmy G and ask yourself that same question. Lol ridiculous. Purdy has shown A LOT more than Trey has. So that is Trey's floor. If he's not playing at minimum the level that Purdy was playing at, he's getting benched when Purdy is ready. That's if he even beats out Darnold. Assuming they actually let them compete of course, the job may be handed to Trey again like last year simply based on where he was drafted and how much we gave up for him.

Purdy was playing out of his mind last season. His efficiency numbers rivaled Pat Mahomes and was even better than Mahomes in certain areas that I mentioned above. To believe that Brock can sustain that level, which was beyond elite, is unfair expectation even to have for Brock.

Oh I was told he was just hitting wide open WR's and that any QB could do that.

I am guessing you are refering to my post from yesterday. I made those statements to demonstrate how silly of an argument that is because someone was using it to discredit plays that Trey has made. I even said as much afterward. But nice try.

No I wasn't referring to you, I know which side of this you're on. My bad.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Like I said last year and in 2021, the expectation with Lance is that by the stretch run or the playoffs, he should be a more seasoned and improved player than he is at the start of the season. Thats why I dont really dont care if Darnold is slightly better at the start of the season. And neither should the coaches. If the coaches think Darnold is ahead week 1, but believe that come week 8 Trey would be better than Darnold is, then they start Trey.

Its like you guys who have this opinion refuse to acknowledge that improvement is very possible with reps.

This all makes sense, and if it was just between playing Sam and Trey and for the full season, you'd rather play Trey and hope he develops.

But this isn't the situation. We have Purdy, who's set to return at the beginning of the season. It's not a question of who would be the better option of Trey and Sam over a full season of play. It's a question of who is the best bridge player until Purdy can return. It's true we aren't sure what Purdy is going to be when he gets back, but clearly he's shown enough that the team would 'gamble' on him first.

The only way Trey is playing long term next season is if he plays at a level close or equal to what we saw from Purdy, or if Purdy has major setbacks and just isn't available.

Patrick Mahomes lead the league in TD passes last season. His TD rate was 6.3%. That TD% is considered elite. Brock Purdy's TD rate was 7.65% last season. I find it hard to believe that Brock could sustain that level of success and would not be fair to expect that level of play for any QB in the league, including Mahomes.

With that said. As long as Trey is moving the chains and we are winning games, Shanahan is not replacing him with Brock Purdy. Purdy will have to be supportive of Trey just like Trey was supportive of Brock last season and wait patiently for his next opportunity.

How is this so hard to accept? And why would anyone want to make a change if we are winning and Trey is showing improvements? BTW that TD rate is absolutely insane.

Replace Trey with Jimmy G and ask yourself that same question. Lol ridiculous. Purdy has shown A LOT more than Trey has. So that is Trey's floor. If he's not playing at minimum the level that Purdy was playing at, he's getting benched when Purdy is ready. That's if he even beats out Darnold. Assuming they actually let them compete of course, the job may be handed to Trey again like last year simply based on where he was drafted and how much we gave up for him.

Purdy was playing out of his mind last season. His efficiency numbers rivaled Pat Mahomes and was even better than Mahomes in certain areas that I mentioned above. To believe that Brock can sustain that level, which was beyond elite, is unfair expectation even to have for Brock.

Oh I was told he was just hitting wide open WR's and that any QB could do that.

I am guessing you are refering to my post from yesterday. I made those statements to demonstrate how silly of an argument that is because someone was using it to discredit plays that Trey has made. I even said as much afterward. But nice try.

Furlow still batting .1000?
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
CHI actually lead the league in rushing last season is my understanding. Rush QBs do tilt it heavy in your favor, in terms of team rush stats. I don't view TL as much of a runner, he's a lot better passer, his arm is a lot more exciting than his legs. Just my opinion.

Yes but we are gonna lead the league in rushing because of the threat of Trey keeping. This freezes the ends and the second level defenders of only for but a split second and that hesitation leads to chunk gains both on the ground and in the air

I see you are Pastor Pillbusta of the Church of Lance
I am tempering expectations a tad, particularly on the ground, he doesn't run away from anyone, can give some free yards if the D allows it, offschedule. Gonna have to use his arm to win, good thing he has one, just needs to get some prax on footwork, repetition, consistency putting the ball where he wants it.

Hey just wondering, does Trey juke a linebacker here at about 40 seconds in, yes or no? Need to know for research purposes.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
thl just questioned how much it really helps or really matters.. he said gotta do it live fire.. course Mahomes sat a year, dominated the next, and everyone said he was raw as can be, dozens of others also, but Mahomes was the specific example KS mentioned as our model we are trying to follow in terms of sit him, develop from the bench a year, then be QB1, produce, win games, etc.

Right and I agree with him. Practice reps can only help so much, and game reps are more important. Sitting for a year DID help his development. I dont think even the krizzy level Trey analysts could argue that he didnt look better against the Bears than he did against the Texans....even in spite of the conditions. So it should be obvious that there is the ability to improve from the bench. However, to argue that there isnt a limit to how much one can improve without live game reps is not something that I find logical at all.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Replace Trey with Jimmy G and ask yourself that same question. Lol ridiculous. Purdy has shown A LOT more than Trey has. So that is Trey's floor. If he's not playing at minimum the level that Purdy was playing at, he's getting benched when Purdy is ready. That's if he even beats out Darnold. Assuming they actually let them compete of course, the job may be handed to Trey again like last year simply based on where he was drafted and how much we gave up for him.

This is an assumption. Maybe the job was handed to him because the coaching staff believed that by the stretch run of the season that Trey would be playing at a higher level than Jimmy would have been?
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Like I said last year and in 2021, the expectation with Lance is that by the stretch run or the playoffs, he should be a more seasoned and improved player than he is at the start of the season. Thats why I dont really dont care if Darnold is slightly better at the start of the season. And neither should the coaches. If the coaches think Darnold is ahead week 1, but believe that come week 8 Trey would be better than Darnold is, then they start Trey.

Its like you guys who have this opinion refuse to acknowledge that improvement is very possible with reps.

This all makes sense, and if it was just between playing Sam and Trey and for the full season, you'd rather play Trey and hope he develops.

But this isn't the situation. We have Purdy, who's set to return at the beginning of the season. It's not a question of who would be the better option of Trey and Sam over a full season of play. It's a question of who is the best bridge player until Purdy can return. It's true we aren't sure what Purdy is going to be when he gets back, but clearly he's shown enough that the team would 'gamble' on him first.

The only way Trey is playing long term next season is if he plays at a level close or equal to what we saw from Purdy, or if Purdy has major setbacks and just isn't available.

Patrick Mahomes lead the league in TD passes last season. His TD rate was 6.3%. That TD% is considered elite. Brock Purdy's TD rate was 7.65% last season. I find it hard to believe that Brock could sustain that level of success and would not be fair to expect that level of play for any QB in the league, including Mahomes.

With that said. As long as Trey is moving the chains and we are winning games, Shanahan is not replacing him with Brock Purdy. Purdy will have to be supportive of Trey just like Trey was supportive of Brock last season and wait patiently for his next opportunity.

How is this so hard to accept? And why would anyone want to make a change if we are winning and Trey is showing improvements? BTW that TD rate is absolutely insane.

Replace Trey with Jimmy G and ask yourself that same question. Lol ridiculous. Purdy has shown A LOT more than Trey has. So that is Trey's floor. If he's not playing at minimum the level that Purdy was playing at, he's getting benched when Purdy is ready. That's if he even beats out Darnold. Assuming they actually let them compete of course, the job may be handed to Trey again like last year simply based on where he was drafted and how much we gave up for him.

Purdy was playing out of his mind last season. His efficiency numbers rivaled Pat Mahomes and was even better than Mahomes in certain areas that I mentioned above. To believe that Brock can sustain that level, which was beyond elite, is unfair expectation even to have for Brock.

Oh I was told he was just hitting wide open WR's and that any QB could do that.

I am guessing you are refering to my post from yesterday. I made those statements to demonstrate how silly of an argument that is because someone was using it to discredit plays that Trey has made. I even said as much afterward. But nice try.

No I wasn't referring to you, I know which side of this you're on. My bad.

At 40 seconds in is that a good run yes or no, thank you.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Like I said last year and in 2021, the expectation with Lance is that by the stretch run or the playoffs, he should be a more seasoned and improved player than he is at the start of the season. Thats why I dont really dont care if Darnold is slightly better at the start of the season. And neither should the coaches. If the coaches think Darnold is ahead week 1, but believe that come week 8 Trey would be better than Darnold is, then they start Trey.

Its like you guys who have this opinion refuse to acknowledge that improvement is very possible with reps.

This all makes sense, and if it was just between playing Sam and Trey and for the full season, you'd rather play Trey and hope he develops.

But this isn't the situation. We have Purdy, who's set to return at the beginning of the season. It's not a question of who would be the better option of Trey and Sam over a full season of play. It's a question of who is the best bridge player until Purdy can return. It's true we aren't sure what Purdy is going to be when he gets back, but clearly he's shown enough that the team would 'gamble' on him first.

The only way Trey is playing long term next season is if he plays at a level close or equal to what we saw from Purdy, or if Purdy has major setbacks and just isn't available.

Patrick Mahomes lead the league in TD passes last season. His TD rate was 6.3%. That TD% is considered elite. Brock Purdy's TD rate was 7.65% last season. I find it hard to believe that Brock could sustain that level of success and would not be fair to expect that level of play for any QB in the league, including Mahomes.

With that said. As long as Trey is moving the chains and we are winning games, Shanahan is not replacing him with Brock Purdy. Purdy will have to be supportive of Trey just like Trey was supportive of Brock last season and wait patiently for his next opportunity.

How is this so hard to accept? And why would anyone want to make a change if we are winning and Trey is showing improvements? BTW that TD rate is absolutely insane.

Replace Trey with Jimmy G and ask yourself that same question. Lol ridiculous. Purdy has shown A LOT more than Trey has. So that is Trey's floor. If he's not playing at minimum the level that Purdy was playing at, he's getting benched when Purdy is ready. That's if he even beats out Darnold. Assuming they actually let them compete of course, the job may be handed to Trey again like last year simply based on where he was drafted and how much we gave up for him.

Purdy was playing out of his mind last season. His efficiency numbers rivaled Pat Mahomes and was even better than Mahomes in certain areas that I mentioned above. To believe that Brock can sustain that level, which was beyond elite, is unfair expectation even to have for Brock.

Oh I was told he was just hitting wide open WR's and that any QB could do that.

I am guessing you are refering to my post from yesterday. I made those statements to demonstrate how silly of an argument that is because someone was using it to discredit plays that Trey has made. I even said as much afterward. But nice try.

No I wasn't referring to you, I know which side of this you're on. My bad.

I like both Trey and Brock. The better they both become, the better it is for this organization. We all should be hoping Trey becomes the player we drafted him to be. Otherwise, it was a waste of draft capital and we have no leverage in a trade if it comes down to having to choose one over the other down the road.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Right and I agree with him. Practice reps can only help so much, and game reps are more important. Sitting for a year DID help his development. I dont think even the krizzy level Trey analysts could argue that he didnt look better against the Bears than he did against the Texans....even in spite of the conditions. So it should be obvious that there is the ability to improve from the bench. However, to argue that there isnt a limit to how much one can improve without live game reps is not something that I find logical at all.

He didn't look good vs the Bears.. that's what prompted the Martz take
Maybe explain how BP went from Mr Irrelevant to roasting Tom Brady in his debut as QB1, with no regular season starts in between.. clear to me he grew each month on a large scale while not getting the live game reps you mention
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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Replace Trey with Jimmy G and ask yourself that same question. Lol ridiculous. Purdy has shown A LOT more than Trey has. So that is Trey's floor. If he's not playing at minimum the level that Purdy was playing at, he's getting benched when Purdy is ready. That's if he even beats out Darnold. Assuming they actually let them compete of course, the job may be handed to Trey again like last year simply based on where he was drafted and how much we gave up for him.

This is an assumption. Maybe the job was handed to him because the coaching staff believed that by the stretch run of the season that Trey would be playing at a higher level than Jimmy would have been?

Also an assumption. What we know is he didn't earn the job with his play. To me the only way that makes sense is because of what was given up to get him. If had had been an undrafted FA, do you think he would have been named the starter like that? Doubtful.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
At 40 seconds in is that a good run yes or no, thank you.


it's fine

I'll say this it's not a good enough run to be rewatching 6 months later

very unimpressed with TL the runner, on the list above I think he can make easy throws, he can throw with touch, I see him moving well in the pocket, more to come I hope in terms of him reading Ds

My hope as a runner is he either drops weight to get a lil quicker or adds weight to lean into the power more, run ppl over like Allen, Hurts tho with his durability, this may not be the best idea. Could use some sort of change here that's the only way I see him being a high level running QB.
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Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Like I said last year and in 2021, the expectation with Lance is that by the stretch run or the playoffs, he should be a more seasoned and improved player than he is at the start of the season. Thats why I dont really dont care if Darnold is slightly better at the start of the season. And neither should the coaches. If the coaches think Darnold is ahead week 1, but believe that come week 8 Trey would be better than Darnold is, then they start Trey.

Its like you guys who have this opinion refuse to acknowledge that improvement is very possible with reps.

This all makes sense, and if it was just between playing Sam and Trey and for the full season, you'd rather play Trey and hope he develops.

But this isn't the situation. We have Purdy, who's set to return at the beginning of the season. It's not a question of who would be the better option of Trey and Sam over a full season of play. It's a question of who is the best bridge player until Purdy can return. It's true we aren't sure what Purdy is going to be when he gets back, but clearly he's shown enough that the team would 'gamble' on him first.

The only way Trey is playing long term next season is if he plays at a level close or equal to what we saw from Purdy, or if Purdy has major setbacks and just isn't available.

Patrick Mahomes lead the league in TD passes last season. His TD rate was 6.3%. That TD% is considered elite. Brock Purdy's TD rate was 7.65% last season. I find it hard to believe that Brock could sustain that level of success and would not be fair to expect that level of play for any QB in the league, including Mahomes.

With that said. As long as Trey is moving the chains and we are winning games, Shanahan is not replacing him with Brock Purdy. Purdy will have to be supportive of Trey just like Trey was supportive of Brock last season and wait patiently for his next opportunity.

How is this so hard to accept? And why would anyone want to make a change if we are winning and Trey is showing improvements? BTW that TD rate is absolutely insane.

Replace Trey with Jimmy G and ask yourself that same question. Lol ridiculous. Purdy has shown A LOT more than Trey has. So that is Trey's floor. If he's not playing at minimum the level that Purdy was playing at, he's getting benched when Purdy is ready. That's if he even beats out Darnold. Assuming they actually let them compete of course, the job may be handed to Trey again like last year simply based on where he was drafted and how much we gave up for him.

Purdy was playing out of his mind last season. His efficiency numbers rivaled Pat Mahomes and was even better than Mahomes in certain areas that I mentioned above. To believe that Brock can sustain that level, which was beyond elite, is unfair expectation even to have for Brock.

Oh I was told he was just hitting wide open WR's and that any QB could do that.

I am guessing you are refering to my post from yesterday. I made those statements to demonstrate how silly of an argument that is because someone was using it to discredit plays that Trey has made. I even said as much afterward. But nice try.

No I wasn't referring to you, I know which side of this you're on. My bad.

At 40 seconds in is that a good run yes or no, thank you.


I think it's a great run and I believe Trey's running ability is electric. Not sure I understand the negativity some have regarding his running ability. Calling him slow and a FB. That's on Kyle for using him like a battering ram between the tackles. The man has half a dozen RB's at his disposal at any point in time yet he was using Trey 15-20 times per game to pick up a 3rd and 3. Ridiculous. I don't know that I've ever been more angry at a coach in any sport in my entire life as I was Kyle last season for how he used Trey.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I like both Trey and Brock. The better they both become, the better it is for this organization. We all should be hoping Trey becomes the player we drafted him to be. Otherwise, it was a waste of draft capital and we have no leverage in a trade if it comes down to having to choose one over the other down the road.

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Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Like I said last year and in 2021, the expectation with Lance is that by the stretch run or the playoffs, he should be a more seasoned and improved player than he is at the start of the season. Thats why I dont really dont care if Darnold is slightly better at the start of the season. And neither should the coaches. If the coaches think Darnold is ahead week 1, but believe that come week 8 Trey would be better than Darnold is, then they start Trey.

Its like you guys who have this opinion refuse to acknowledge that improvement is very possible with reps.

This all makes sense, and if it was just between playing Sam and Trey and for the full season, you'd rather play Trey and hope he develops.

But this isn't the situation. We have Purdy, who's set to return at the beginning of the season. It's not a question of who would be the better option of Trey and Sam over a full season of play. It's a question of who is the best bridge player until Purdy can return. It's true we aren't sure what Purdy is going to be when he gets back, but clearly he's shown enough that the team would 'gamble' on him first.

The only way Trey is playing long term next season is if he plays at a level close or equal to what we saw from Purdy, or if Purdy has major setbacks and just isn't available.

Patrick Mahomes lead the league in TD passes last season. His TD rate was 6.3%. That TD% is considered elite. Brock Purdy's TD rate was 7.65% last season. I find it hard to believe that Brock could sustain that level of success and would not be fair to expect that level of play for any QB in the league, including Mahomes.

With that said. As long as Trey is moving the chains and we are winning games, Shanahan is not replacing him with Brock Purdy. Purdy will have to be supportive of Trey just like Trey was supportive of Brock last season and wait patiently for his next opportunity.

How is this so hard to accept? And why would anyone want to make a change if we are winning and Trey is showing improvements? BTW that TD rate is absolutely insane.

Replace Trey with Jimmy G and ask yourself that same question. Lol ridiculous. Purdy has shown A LOT more than Trey has. So that is Trey's floor. If he's not playing at minimum the level that Purdy was playing at, he's getting benched when Purdy is ready. That's if he even beats out Darnold. Assuming they actually let them compete of course, the job may be handed to Trey again like last year simply based on where he was drafted and how much we gave up for him.

Purdy was playing out of his mind last season. His efficiency numbers rivaled Pat Mahomes and was even better than Mahomes in certain areas that I mentioned above. To believe that Brock can sustain that level, which was beyond elite, is unfair expectation even to have for Brock.

Oh I was told he was just hitting wide open WR's and that any QB could do that.

I am guessing you are refering to my post from yesterday. I made those statements to demonstrate how silly of an argument that is because someone was using it to discredit plays that Trey has made. I even said as much afterward. But nice try.

No I wasn't referring to you, I know which side of this you're on. My bad.

I like both Trey and Brock. The better they both become, the better it is for this organization. We all should be hoping Trey becomes the player we drafted him to be. Otherwise, it was a waste of draft capital and we have no leverage in a trade if it comes down to having to choose one over the other down the road.

I agree with you. For me after watching Trey, Jimmy, and Brock last season - it's clear that Kyle doesn't trust Trey to run the offense that he wants to run. Jimmy got to run 90% of it. Purdy totally unlocked everything. Trey's skillset just doesn't match what Purdy was able to do. I think he'd do better in a different offense, with a different head coach. Just my opinion. But yes, for the sake of the team it would be great if Trey balled out.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
At 40 seconds in is that a good run yes or no, thank you.


it's fine

I'll say this it's not a good enough run to be rewatching 6 months later

very unimpressed with TL the runner, on the list above I think he can make easy throws, he can throw with touch, I see him moving well in the pocket, more to come I hope in terms of him reading Ds

My hope as a runner is he either drops weight to get a lil quicker or adds weight to lean into the power more, run ppl over like Allen, Hurts tho with his durability, this may not be the best idea. Could use some sort of change here that's the only way I see him being a high level running QB.

That was my question to Furlow. My question to you was did he juke a linebacker.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
That was my question to Furlow. My question to you was did he juke a linebacker.

He jukes a safety is what I am seeing
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