Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
The consensus was basically don't draft a limited talent qb in the first round. They are available throughout the draft. Lo and behold we got a superior player a year later with Mr. Irrelevant.

If you are gonna take a qb in 1st (or move up) swing for the fences. Might end up striking out on Trey but I'll take doing that every time over the bunt single the Pats have going.

Speaking of

Originally posted by tankle104:
So since I didn't like a player selection I'm not a fan? I should just blindly believe in everything they do? Lol this front office, including ownership has made a ton of horrible mistakes that nearly all of us fans realized. They aren't perfect, just like you and I miss on things we do in life.

You're right, I should of been excited when they fired harbaugh, hired tomsula, hired chip Kelly etc.

to me, and numerous people, Trey was never a good football player from the beginning. It's more of a "he needs to prove he can play football at this level", not the other way around. Once again, this isn't a charity. Lol nothing he's done has proven that, hence the team doesn't even want to give him another chance.

you know he's great when his teammates aren't super excited about him, coach and front office has made him a backup, and his play has been horrific - average! That's my qb!

Because the team keeps saying they're in "win now mode" since like 2019. It's their fault they don't know what they have in Lance after they traded away all that draft capital to get him. The team went 6-10 in 2020 so win mode my ass. They should've started him in 2021 instead of wasting another year with Jimmy. At least at this point they would have an idea of what kind of player he is. They didn't wanna deal with the ups and downs in the beginning cause they wanna win right away. Well let's see how that works out for them not wanting to be patient enough and hope that Brock is the guy and not fools gold.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Speaking of

Per source, Bill Belichick has shopped Mac Jones this offseason. Could a trade still happen? https://t.co/z3cUkJQwtE

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) April 4, 2023

"As we know, a disloyalty in Bill's mind is almost worse than bad play," Curran said of the situation. "Mac, even though you could say it's ironic because he's trying to get better and he's wondering 'Are we supposed to be doing it this way?' And he's asking around the football world about it. That effort to improve was showing up the Matt Patricia-Joe Judge contingent that Bill put in charge. When Bill caught wind of it — he's still pissed about it."

Originally posted by NCommand:
Everyone will probably be wrong about every top 3 QB prospect when it's all said and done, albeit delayed or not. Hopefully not but it's not looking great, even now.

Quite possibly…you at least got two years of play from Lawrence (awful rookie year/much better second half of second year). Wilson just awful overall. Dude looks like Darnold 2.0.

Lance we got 100 random passing attempts through 2 yrs. Hard to come to a conclusion there imo.

I knew Mac Jonrs was gonna role this way…he had the mental football IQ to come in and not look lost as a rookie. His lack of pretty much everything else would limit what he could be and now NE might be trying to move off him.

Fields as a runner is amazing. His QB play overall is still a work in progress. They at least let him lean on that s**t until he developed as a true passer (if it ever happens).

IMO I still wouldn't change a thing. Go take your shot. Go after that high upside…but at the very least f**king develop them. Give them a legit chance to fail.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Speaking of

Per source, Bill Belichick has shopped Mac Jones this offseason. Could a trade still happen? https://t.co/z3cUkJQwtE

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) April 4, 2023

"As we know, a disloyalty in Bill's mind is almost worse than bad play," Curran said of the situation. "Mac, even though you could say it's ironic because he's trying to get better and he's wondering 'Are we supposed to be doing it this way?' And he's asking around the football world about it. That effort to improve was showing up the Matt Patricia-Joe Judge contingent that Bill put in charge. When Bill caught wind of it — he's still pissed about it."

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
What I don't understand is that they chose trey last year as their starter. He then gets injured. And Now there's rumors that he's going to be traded? What changed?? None of this makes sense, unless they're really frustrated with his injuries.

They named him the starter before the offseason program(s) last year. A lot has happened since that time, not even factoring the Darnold move this offseason:

-Trey has an uneven camp, at best, according to reports. We see evidence of it in preseason and in 'the monsoon'.
-They keep Jimmy G, and sign him to a high value backup deal loaded with incentives and including a no trade clause and removing the ability to tag him... at a point where Jimmy should have had next to no leverage at all in a negotiation.
- They reportedly meet with veterans after Jimmy G's new deal and implore them to support Trey through his coming bumps in the road.
- Trey gets injured in the QB run game week 2 and is out for the season.
- The team eventually begins to hit its stride with Jimmy G.
- Jimmy gets hurt, and Brock emerges and the offense is rolling at a level unseen in Shanahan's tenure with the 49ers.

There's a lot of information to be gleaned from these kinds of developments. None of it points to the idea that they would simply run back a plan they started with early in '22.

Agree, I think a lot has happened since Trey's draft. I think the Bolded is the one that complicates the front office's planning for Trey this offseason. The unexpected development of Purdy has thrown a bit of a monkey wrench into ShanaLynch's plans to develop Trey into an elite QB. I think Trey still can be an elite QB also. But what is intriguing to ShanaLynch is the Bird in the Hand, Brock Purdy. He's shown flashes of elite level processing that has thoroughly impressed ShanaLYnch from Day 1. No need to wait and see if Brock can win a playoff game - proof is in the record - Brock's playoff record is 2-0 *in my book* and I think he could have beat the Eagles in the NFCCG if he stayed healthy, so I don't count that as a loss.

I personally would hold on to Trey as long as possible and develop the heck out of him as long as I can before (possibly) before trading him on his rookie contracts last year, a la Jimmy, if he doesn't beat out Purdy. I think the competition between Trey and Purdy will prove to be a healthy one. If not you have to get rid of one. But I think both are mature enough to handle the competition like professionals. Sam is really just there to make sure if Purdy isn't ready, they have someone to back up Trey that isn't another aging Josh Johnson with no future in the NFL.

Just saw Lance Zierlein's newest mock. He has the Pats moving on from Mac and drafting….Anthony Richardson. Krizay would have a meltdown and I'm here for it

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Just saw Lance Zierlein's newest mock. He has the Pats moving on from Mac and drafting….Anthony Richardson. Krizay would have a meltdown and I'm here for it

they ain't doing that lol

BB legacy is set in stone.. but we gotta say TB12, without that man, BB is having some problems

TL and Mac are question marks, hard to deal out.. I mean if a great all time coach can't work with you, which is presumably the reason for the trade, if you are rubbing BB the wrong way, why would teams sign up for that?

It's like with TL, why would teams sign up for a QB getting pushed by Darnold who can't stay on the field?

Mac actually played well year 1. Year 2 sucked but they admitted (NE front office) that they weren't aggressive enough to get WR talent. Changed coaching on O, added Juju, a TE. Mac had the stereotypical sophomore slump. Unless they are going in on Lamar, they aren't moving Mac.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Just saw Lance Zierlein's newest mock. He has the Pats moving on from Mac and drafting….Anthony Richardson. Krizay would have a meltdown and I'm here for it

they ain't doing that lol

BB legacy is set in stone.. but we gotta say TB12, without that man, BB is having some problems

TL and Mac are question marks, hard to deal out.. I mean if a great all time coach can't work with you, which is presumably the reason for the trade, if you are rubbing BB the wrong way, why would teams sign up for that?

It's like with TL, why would teams sign up for a QB getting pushed by Darnold who can't stay on the field?

Mac actually played well year 1. Year 2 sucked but they admitted (NE front office) that they weren't aggressive enough to get WR talent. Changed coaching on O, added Juju, a TE. Mac had the stereotypical sophomore slump. Unless they are going in on Lamar, they aren't moving Mac.

Agree with this. After you have the goat for so long I would imagine BB would shop any QB he had except mahomes at this point every year.

The bar was just set so high for Mac to walk into it's basically impossible to meet sub mahomes.

I think we will keep hearing this until they get to a championship or SB game. Irregardless of the QBs play.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
they ain't doing that lol

BB legacy is set in stone.. but we gotta say TB12, without that man, BB is having some problems

TL and Mac are question marks, hard to deal out.. I mean if a great all time coach can't work with you, which is presumably the reason for the trade, if you are rubbing BB the wrong way, why would teams sign up for that?

It's like with TL, why would teams sign up for a QB getting pushed by Darnold who can't stay on the field?

Mac actually played well year 1. Year 2 sucked but they admitted (NE front office) that they weren't aggressive enough to get WR talent. Changed coaching on O, added Juju, a TE. Mac had the stereotypical sophomore slump. Unless they are going in on Lamar, they aren't moving Mac.

McCorkle ain't winning them a SB. He isn't ever gonna be a complete s**t show out there, but his upside was always limited end of the day. Toss in his attitude on and off the field. f**k that guy. Thank god we didn't take him.

love how you toss out excuses for Jones, but anytime someone tosses out the same stuff for Lance on a single game…well that's an excuse lol.

If they don't think Mac is Brady 2.0 and you're in a position to go get another QB. Why not? I was told we don't owe these guys anything. Why should he get to develop and play through his struggles? Bill is trying to win it all clearly. I was told he's got to "earn it" so go get him competition. Dude almost lost his starting gig to a rookie day 3 pick.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
they ain't doing that lol

BB legacy is set in stone.. but we gotta say TB12, without that man, BB is having some problems

TL and Mac are question marks, hard to deal out.. I mean if a great all time coach can't work with you, which is presumably the reason for the trade, if you are rubbing BB the wrong way, why would teams sign up for that?

It's like with TL, why would teams sign up for a QB getting pushed by Darnold who can't stay on the field?

Mac actually played well year 1. Year 2 sucked but they admitted (NE front office) that they weren't aggressive enough to get WR talent. Changed coaching on O, added Juju, a TE. Mac had the stereotypical sophomore slump. Unless they are going in on Lamar, they aren't moving Mac.

McCorkle ain't winning them a SB. He isn't ever gonna be a complete s**t show out there, but his upside was always limited end of the day. Toss in his attitude on and off the field. f**k that guy. Thank god we didn't take him.

love how you toss out excuses for Jones, but anytime someone tosses out the same stuff for Lance on a single game…well that's an excuse lol.

If they don't think Mac is Brady 2.0 and you're in a position to go get another QB. Why not? I was told we don't owe these guys anything. Why should he get to develop and play through his struggles? Bill is trying to win it all clearly. I was told he's got to "earn it" so go get him competition. Dude almost lost his starting gig to a rookie day 3 pick.

Talk about declarative statements on a guy. He was a year 1 pro bowler.

I refuse to play your game of looking at a loss to 3 win Chicago and saying everything was roses, it wasn't.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
Where did the Darnold trade report come from? I find it completely ridiculous that the Jets wouldn't jump out of their seats to take 12th overall for Sam Darnold.

You'll believe that stuff and that 49ers misread the board soooo bad that they felt they needed to go to 3 overall for Mac Jones and then changed their mind on who they wanted and went with Lance and not Justin Fields?

The Darnold reports even resurfaced after we signed him. It was reported by more than one person. Not so much the compensation but we tried to trade for him before we traded up to #3.

As for your 2nd part, not sure what you're even asking.

Tell me if these are the same to you

49ers offered up #12 overall to Jets but Jets didn't like the timing because they were concerned about Zach Wilson's shoulder(which he played through that season to many accolades btw)

or

49ers looked into trading for Darnold before moving up to 3 to take Lance.

As for the 2nd part - you're making assumptions off reports which paint a certain picture and think how you're reading the situation is correct. If you look at the details the trade up points to exactly what happened - which is the 49ers taking a guy with a great deal of buzz about his intangibles and the physical tools to be considered a top 5 draft pick.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

they ain't doing that lol

BB legacy is set in stone.. but we gotta say TB12, without that man, BB is having some problems

TL and Mac are question marks, hard to deal out.. I mean if a great all time coach can't work with you, which is presumably the reason for the trade, if you are rubbing BB the wrong way, why would teams sign up for that?

It's like with TL, why would teams sign up for a QB getting pushed by Darnold who can't stay on the field?

Mac actually played well year 1. Year 2 sucked but they admitted (NE front office) that they weren't aggressive enough to get WR talent. Changed coaching on O, added Juju, a TE. Mac had the stereotypical sophomore slump. Unless they are going in on Lamar, they aren't moving Mac.

McCorkle ain't winning them a SB. He isn't ever gonna be a complete s**t show out there, but his upside was always limited end of the day. Toss in his attitude on and off the field. f**k that guy. Thank god we didn't take him.

love how you toss out excuses for Jones, but anytime someone tosses out the same stuff for Lance on a single game…well that's an excuse lol.

If they don't think Mac is Brady 2.0 and you're in a position to go get another QB. Why not? I was told we don't owe these guys anything. Why should he get to develop and play through his struggles? Bill is trying to win it all clearly. I was told he's got to "earn it" so go get him competition. Dude almost lost his starting gig to a rookie day 3 pick.

Talk about declarative statements on a guy. He was a year 1 pro bowler.

I refuse to play your game of looking at a loss to 3 win Chicago and saying everything was roses, it wasn't.

Being a pro bowl QB hasn't meant anything for over 10 years

Originally posted by tankle104:
https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2023/04/03/brock-purdy-rookie-season-49ers-analytics-epa-per-play/?utm_source=49ersWebZone&utm_medium=dt&utm_campaign=affref

But Brock was "okay". Lol

"Brock Purdy's success as Mr. Irrelevant during his rookie season was unprecedented. However, it wasn't just his status as the final pick in the draft that made his first year remarkable. Sumer Sports, an NFL analytics outlet, put together a graphic that shows Purdy as the second-most productive rookie quarterback since 2016."

What each quarterback's rookie year production has been since 2016 (minimum of 250 plays) pic.twitter.com/1AbE5Pc6P8

— SumerSports (@sumersports) April 3, 2023

Anyone arguing that Brock Purdy was just ok is being disingenuous.

The analytics, the results, they all show Brock played at an incredibly high level! He was elite!

The question the team has to figure out is how much of that was due to the talent around him, can he play at this level after this injury, can he maintain this level of play if the talent level dips.

And at the same time they have to consider what Lance could be with the same players and reps.

It's not super cut and dry. You're balancing present but have to project the future as well. Winning the SB is #1 priority and we know we have a very good team in place but it's also very hard to do - you need luck, you need health and you need the refs to be on your side sometimes and even then you could run into a very good team who simply makes one more play than your guys. So you want to make sure you have the best guy long term. Eventually teams fall apart, whether guys retire, move on in FA or decline due to age or what not. Getting an elite QB in place is the best chance to keep a team together which can win football games. Especially when you have to pay those QBs big $ contracts because building the team around them becomes harder and harder.

The biggest fear for me is we pick a guy for the short term and allow the better player long term to walk. All I ask is we get the best view of both guys in same situation as possible to help the evaluation process to up our chances of getting this choice correct.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Talk about declarative statements on a guy. He was a year 1 pro bowler.

I refuse to play your game of looking at a loss to 3 win Chicago and saying everything was roses, it wasn't.

A loss to a Saints team where the qb puts up a 2.8 qb rating however.