Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by genus49:
Are you kidding?

Imagine bringing up completion % when 90% of his attempts came during a crazy rain game? And 40% of those came in the 4th quarter when the rain became so bad the cameras had to be adjusted so people could see the yardage markers.

You can absolutely say he was playing fine when you have the overall results of the offense with him out there.

In the 4 starts Trey had and including the 2nd half of the Seattle game when he came in for Jimmy the offense with him out there went 3 and out(or 4 and turnover on downs) just 8 out of 40 drives.

You can point to his misses, his turnovers and the lack of scoring but somehow it's easy for you guys to ignore what he did do well and how he helped keep drives alive.

Ignoring that but zooming in on the completion % despite the context is certainly more of a joke than anything you quoted.

I'm not debating the other stuff being thrown around, but his overall attempts in the bears game weren't even the most he's thrown in a start before. Lol so def not 90% of his overall attempts came in just that game. In 2/3 of his starts, he's thrown for 50% completion percentage.

when you include the Texans game, his overall amongst his three starts is a combined 55%. So, he definitely has accuracy problems. Even in the bears game before it started coming down in the fourth, he has a handful of just complete misses to a skill position.

it's not up for debate if he is accurate or not, he isn't at this time. It was widely reported throughout camp too that his accuracy was a roller coaster.

we disagree on his "keeping drives alive" thing too. once again, as a starter in his three games, Lance led offense averages 14 ppgs. Not very good at converting third downs either. He doesn't have anything besides a few nice passes to hang onto. It's just the reality of his overall play. It is a small sample size though and doesn't mean he will always be like that.

hopefully it's something he looks much better at going into training camp this year. It would force Kyle into a tough decision.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by bewdynewk:
Trey was playing fine before he broke his ankle. There is no need to over analyse it and make it something that it isn't. He should not have any trouble picking up where he left off and playing at an increasingly higher level. My only concern with Trey and Brock is any lingering problems with their injuries. Hopefully they both heal up and kick arse this season. I don't care who gets the job so long as the 9'ers win.

Agree.

+1

Just stop with all the running.

Nah. Run the offense as you see fit, Shanny. For better or for worse.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by ImRicky:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by bewdynewk:
Trey was playing fine before he broke his ankle. There is no need to over analyse it and make it something that it isn't. He should not have any trouble picking up where he left off and playing at an increasingly higher level. My only concern with Trey and Brock is any lingering problems with their injuries. Hopefully they both heal up and kick arse this season. I don't care who gets the job so long as the 9'ers win.

You're kidding right? He didn't even complete 50 percent of his passes this season gone and lost dismally to a garbage team. The only team this green guy has beat was the worst team in the comp. It was a bad move using the 3rd pick in the draft with a guy with so little college experience. He has not proved anything yet let only can it be stated with intellectual honesty that he "was playing fine" . That is just BS and you know it.

Exactly. I don't what's worse his pocket poise or accuracy but he was dead last in both. The guy has no reps and the small amount of time he's played it has been a disaster. Can't throw running left at all, footwork off. Throws ugly, wobbly passes lol I mean wtf was Lynch thinking when he traded all those first round picks? Just mind boggling

Glad to see Goatie and a trolling Seahawks fan agree on everything once again. What is that at 1:20 mark? Trey rolling to his left and throwing an accurate ball? Hmmm.



Also, everyone who says the Bears were awful forgets just how even teams were last year. I think we can all agree the Eagles were a top team in the NFL last season and Hurts struggled to pass against this same Bears defense even more than Lance.

I'm a Seahawk fan big deal. I have eyes that don't lie. Lance is who we hope and pray starts. I've seen enough of Purdy he's a good pick up and knows how to actually play the position and run a respectable offense though. Really a solid pick up and should be great for years

Originally posted by ImRicky:
I'm a Seahawk fan big deal. I have eyes that don't lie. Lance is who we hope and pray starts. I've seen enough of Purdy he's a good pick up and knows how to actually play the position and run a respectable offense though. Really a solid pick up and should be great for years

Haha your opinion means absolutely nothing in here. You're about as bias as it gets.

"Your eyes" lol like that means anything…you're a fan with limited knowledge of the QB position. Go away

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm not debating the other stuff being thrown around, but his overall attempts in the bears game weren't even the most he's thrown in a start before. Lol so def not 90% of his overall attempts came in just that game. In 2/3 of his starts, he's thrown for 50% completion percentage.

And? Who gives a f**k…seriously. Would you be calling him John Elway if he completed 65% of his passes over 100 random passing attempts? I don't believe you for a second if you said yes.

trevor Lawrence completed 49. 5% of his first 100 passing attempts…that's with actual straight playing time. Not a random throw here or there.

Manning completed 56% of his first 100 passes.

Allen completed 53% of his first 100 passes.

hurts completed 51% of his first passes.

s**t John Elway's first season he completed 47.5% of his passes for 7TDs and 14INTs. Wow what a trash player….dude didn't even crack 60% for his first 10 years in the league!

Trey has not played enough downs for all the hate and shade he gets. He will get his shot and then we can all contribute our opinions but let's hold off until then. I am rather shocked by all the negative conclusions drawn from such a small sample. The draft capital used to get him is history.. it is what it is and we needed to do it because what we had was awful. This investment needs time to mature before we can evaluate our return. The trade rumors, crappy headlines.. I.e. we put Trey on eBay…. are unfair and non productive. Trey needs to play…. That might be this year or next or whenever it comes before we start shopping him. If he is a bust then it is what it is. Not the first or last time it will happen. Just saying… the hate is undeserved.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And? Who gives a f**k…seriously. Would you be calling him John Elway if he completed 65% of his passes over 100 random passing attempts? I don't believe you for a second if you said yes.

trevor Lawrence completed 49. 5% of his first 100 passing attempts…that's with actual straight playing time. Not a random throw here or there.

Manning completed 56% of his first 100 passes.

Allen completed 53% of his first 100 passes.

hurts completed 51% of his first passes.

s**t John Elway's first season he completed 47.5% of his passes for 7TDs and 14INTs. Wow what a trash player….dude didn't even crack 60% for his first 10 years in the league!

Elway stats from 4 decades ago.. come on NY
you know the game has changed as have the rules, etc.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm not debating the other stuff being thrown around, but his overall attempts in the bears game weren't even the most he's thrown in a start before. Lol so def not 90% of his overall attempts came in just that game. In 2/3 of his starts, he's thrown for 50% completion percentage.

And? Who gives a f**k…seriously. Would you be calling him John Elway if he completed 65% of his passes over 100 random passing attempts? I don't believe you for a second if you said yes.

trevor Lawrence completed 49. 5% of his first 100 passing attempts…that's with actual straight playing time. Not a random throw here or there.

Manning completed 56% of his first 100 passes.

Allen completed 53% of his first 100 passes.

hurts completed 51% of his first passes.

s**t John Elway's first season he completed 47.5% of his passes for 7TDs and 14INTs. Wow what a trash player….dude didn't even crack 60% for his first 10 years in the league!

Are you saying accuracy is irrelevant? Lol first of all, manning and elway played in a different era with vastly different rules. So I wouldn't use them as comparisons.

second, I don't want hurts or Allen. I want better than them. Lol

third, for every one of those guys, there are 1000 guys who did the same and never became good. Lol you can make nearly any argument when you're only using the best players or greatest ever. Lol include the full context of what USUALLY happens.

why you getting so upset over this? All I did was correct the statements that he's played "fine". Aren't you the one that said Purdy was "just okay" and you don't know why people are happy with his play?. Even though Purdy accomplished things that Lance has literally never done on a single piece of tape, ever?

i get it, you want Lance to succeed, so do i - doesn't mean you have to be in denial about his current status and act like it's irrelevant.

Infamous Jack Hammer breaks down the Darnold / Lance competition:

slight edge to Lance he says; which is what I have been saying all along tbh

What makes a Lance versus Darnold competition so fascinating is the similarities which exist between the two.

Watching the two play, there are plenty of highlight reel plays you can point toward to show the potential each possesses. Lance and Darnold have both shown the ability to make plays with their legs and hit the throws Kyle Shanahan requires from his quarterbacks. Age also does not favor one over the other, both are under 26.

A slight edge goes to Lance. The 49ers used three first round picks to acquire the former North Dakota State quarterback.

For Darnold to win the competition he can't be at the same level as Lance. He needs to show that he is better. If he is able to consistently showcase the talent which led to him also being selected third overall Darnold can beat out Lance.

The 49ers OTA and mini camp practices are going to be must watch events.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm not debating the other stuff being thrown around, but his overall attempts in the bears game weren't even the most he's thrown in a start before. Lol so def not 90% of his overall attempts came in just that game. In 2/3 of his starts, he's thrown for 50% completion percentage.

And? Who gives a f**k…seriously. Would you be calling him John Elway if he completed 65% of his passes over 100 random passing attempts? I don't believe you for a second if you said yes.

trevor Lawrence completed 49. 5% of his first 100 passing attempts…that's with actual straight playing time. Not a random throw here or there.

Manning completed 56% of his first 100 passes.

Allen completed 53% of his first 100 passes.

hurts completed 51% of his first passes.

s**t John Elway's first season he completed 47.5% of his passes for 7TDs and 14INTs. Wow what a trash player….dude didn't even crack 60% for his first 10 years in the league!

You should considering the draft capital blown on acquiring him lol
Look man you swing and miss sometimes, it happens. Hell John Schneider hasn't had a good draft for 10 years until he hit on last year. Lance isn't "that guy"
Dude has the same haircut as Mahomes but that's where the similarities end. You should be thankful Brock Purdy makes up for it somewhat.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Trey has not played enough downs for all the hate and shade he gets. He will get his shot and then we can all contribute our opinions but let's hold off until then. I am rather shocked by all the negative conclusions drawn from such a small sample. The draft capital used to get him is history.. it is what it is and we needed to do it because what we had was awful. This investment needs time to mature before we can evaluate our return. The trade rumors, crappy headlines.. I.e. we put Trey on eBay…. are unfair and non productive. Trey needs to play…. That might be this year or next or whenever it comes before we start shopping him. If he is a bust then it is what it is. Not the first or last time it will happen. Just saying… the hate is undeserved.

Totally agree. No one has a clue if he ends up good or not. Debating that is pointless. There's simply not enough information/film to have an objective pov either way.

it's crazy the amount of hate he gets. I mean the intangibles are exactly what we all want from our QB. He says and does everything you want a QB to do. the skill set is super high….Yet people in here seem to hate his guts. Wild and undeserved.

My issue outside of a bunch of dumb fans that don't understand QB play from a hole in the wall…is how our organization has tackled this. IMO it's been very unprofessional from a developmental perspective. Our organization has mentally/physically broken a 21 yr old QB that you had SO much conviction in, that you made the biggest trade in franchise history for.

now we see a couple games from another guy (who played well) and all that conviction means nothing? Be way different if he has a legit season of bad football. Not 100 passing attempts, that weren't all bad to begin with. It's not like Brock played a full season of football either way. 170 passing attempts is not some okay he's our guy no matter what amount of passing attempts imo. Now he's seriously hurt.

Also people can stop with the we can't develop a QB when trying to win a Super Bowl b******t…they're doing it with Brock all the same. If they really really felt that way then they would be all in on getting a Lamar or Rogers…most say absolutely not to that. Which makes their whole Super Bowl or bust narrative a load of crap imo.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:
Are you kidding?

Imagine bringing up completion % when 90% of his attempts came during a crazy rain game? And 40% of those came in the 4th quarter when the rain became so bad the cameras had to be adjusted so people could see the yardage markers.

You can absolutely say he was playing fine when you have the overall results of the offense with him out there.

In the 4 starts Trey had and including the 2nd half of the Seattle game when he came in for Jimmy the offense with him out there went 3 and out(or 4 and turnover on downs) just 8 out of 40 drives.

You can point to his misses, his turnovers and the lack of scoring but somehow it's easy for you guys to ignore what he did do well and how he helped keep drives alive.

Ignoring that but zooming in on the completion % despite the context is certainly more of a joke than anything you quoted.

I'm not debating the other stuff being thrown around, but his overall attempts in the bears game weren't even the most he's thrown in a start before. Lol so def not 90% of his overall attempts came in just that game. In 2/3 of his starts, he's thrown for 50% completion percentage.

when you include the Texans game, his overall amongst his three starts is a combined 55%. So, he definitely has accuracy problems. Even in the bears game before it started coming down in the fourth, he has a handful of just complete misses to a skill position.

it's not up for debate if he is accurate or not, he isn't at this time. It was widely reported throughout camp too that his accuracy was a roller coaster.

we disagree on his "keeping drives alive" thing too. once again, as a starter in his three games, Lance led offense averages 14 ppgs. Not very good at converting third downs either. He doesn't have anything besides a few nice passes to hang onto. It's just the reality of his overall play. It is a small sample size though and doesn't mean he will always be like that.

hopefully it's something he looks much better at going into training camp this year. It would force Kyle into a tough decision.

Considering most of the evaluations from THIS season when he was QB1 are from that game then yes it applies.

The other game you mention he had 29 attempts(1 more than Chicago) was vs Arizona not that far after he broke his index finger. It also happened to be his first start in the NFL vs a good team. We lost by 7 points in that game.

Once again people either don't remember how he actually played in these games or don't care to make honest assessments on the kid.

Do me a favor and check how many 21 year olds hit the ground running. Look at Matt Stafford's first career start when he was an older 21 year old than Trey with a lot more experience in college.

And back to the accuracy thing. There is a difference between someone not being accurate vs not being consistent with that accuracy. That was the issue Josh Allen had. He worked at it and is one of the elite QBs in the game now.

There is a difference if people think Brock was too good to sit, I can understand that. My issue is with people consistently dogging Trey in here with box score watching related comments and acting like he was dog sh*t...some of those same people have no problem trotting out Sam Darnold as QB1 while Brock recovers.

Make it make sense...

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Infamous Jack Hammer breaks down the Darnold / Lance competition:

slight edge to Lance he says; which is what I have been saying all along tbh

What makes a Lance versus Darnold competition so fascinating is the similarities which exist between the two.

Watching the two play, there are plenty of highlight reel plays you can point toward to show the potential each possesses. Lance and Darnold have both shown the ability to make plays with their legs and hit the throws Kyle Shanahan requires from his quarterbacks. Age also does not favor one over the other, both are under 26.

A slight edge goes to Lance. The 49ers used three first round picks to acquire the former North Dakota State quarterback.

For Darnold to win the competition he can't be at the same level as Lance. He needs to show that he is better. If he is able to consistently showcase the talent which led to him also being selected third overall Darnold can beat out Lance.

The 49ers OTA and mini camp practices are going to be must watch events.

Jack Hammer is a try hard who wants to be Grant Cohn so bad but he's got the personality of a slug.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Infamous Jack Hammer breaks down the Darnold / Lance competition:

slight edge to Lance he says; which is what I have been saying all along tbh

What makes a Lance versus Darnold competition so fascinating is the similarities which exist between the two.

Watching the two play, there are plenty of highlight reel plays you can point toward to show the potential each possesses. Lance and Darnold have both shown the ability to make plays with their legs and hit the throws Kyle Shanahan requires from his quarterbacks. Age also does not favor one over the other, both are under 26.

A slight edge goes to Lance. The 49ers used three first round picks to acquire the former North Dakota State quarterback.

For Darnold to win the competition he can't be at the same level as Lance. He needs to show that he is better. If he is able to consistently showcase the talent which led to him also being selected third overall Darnold can beat out Lance.

The 49ers OTA and mini camp practices are going to be must watch events.

Jack Hammer is a try hard who wants to be Grant Cohn so bad but he's got the personality of a slug.

How many experts gotta say this is a comp between Sam and Trey before you come to believe it?

You got Rapsheet and David Carr, who wore our uni and played QB in the league saying not only is it a comp but Sam wins the comp. Jack is saying TL has the slight edge. Which is how I see it.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Trey has not played enough downs for all the hate and shade he gets. He will get his shot and then we can all contribute our opinions but let's hold off until then. I am rather shocked by all the negative conclusions drawn from such a small sample. The draft capital used to get him is history.. it is what it is and we needed to do it because what we had was awful. This investment needs time to mature before we can evaluate our return. The trade rumors, crappy headlines.. I.e. we put Trey on eBay…. are unfair and non productive. Trey needs to play…. That might be this year or next or whenever it comes before we start shopping him. If he is a bust then it is what it is. Not the first or last time it will happen. Just saying… the hate is undeserved.

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