Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm not debating the other stuff being thrown around, but his overall attempts in the bears game weren't even the most he's thrown in a start before. Lol so def not 90% of his overall attempts came in just that game. In 2/3 of his starts, he's thrown for 50% completion percentage.

when you include the Texans game, his overall amongst his three starts is a combined 55%. So, he definitely has accuracy problems. Even in the bears game before it started coming down in the fourth, he has a handful of just complete misses to a skill position.

it's not up for debate if he is accurate or not, he isn't at this time. It was widely reported throughout camp too that his accuracy was a roller coaster.

we disagree on his "keeping drives alive" thing too. once again, as a starter in his three games, Lance led offense averages 14 ppgs. Not very good at converting third downs either. He doesn't have anything besides a few nice passes to hang onto. It's just the reality of his overall play. It is a small sample size though and doesn't mean he will always be like that.

hopefully it's something he looks much better at going into training camp this year. It would force Kyle into a tough decision.

This is how he did vs Arizona his first career start on the road and without guys like Kittle and CMC

Here are the so called key downs in that game

Arizona
2nd and 10 12:51 in the 1st quarter - arguably worst pass of Trey's career. He bails on the pocket and makes a bad pass on the run that sails over Benjamin's hands for an easy pick by Arizona. WR was open but the throw was terrible.
3rd and 7 designed QB run - gets 5 yards
4th and 2 designed QB run - stopped short of the first down
3rd and 3 - perfect throw to Aiyuk with defender right on him for a first down.
3rd and 1 - incomplete pass
4th and 1 - gets stopped at the goal line
3rd and 11 - laser to Sanu who drops it
3rd and 9 - dump off to Juice for the first down
3rd and 7 - first down run by Trey, called back due to holding call
3rd and 17 - completion to Dwelley short of first down
4th and 5 - completion to Sanu under pressure
3rd and 21 - incomplete
3rd and 7 - big run by Lance for 1st down
3rd and 14 - completion to Dwelley for 12 yards
3rd and 4 - off AIyuk's hands, pass high
4th and 4 - pass batted down
3rd and 3 - arm gets hit as he throws

One thing i'm reminded of each time I watch that game is how bad we were with penalties...ironically same thing as we saw in the Chicago game. There were a lot of drives where we were having to play from 1st and 20, 2nd and 20 situations.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Are you saying accuracy is irrelevant? Lol first of all, manning and elway played in a different era with vastly different rules. So I wouldn't use them as comparisons.

second, I don't want hurts or Allen. I want better than them. Lol

third, for every one of those guys, there are 1000 guys who did the same and never became good. Lol you can make nearly any argument when you're only using the best players or greatest ever. Lol include the full context of what USUALLY happens.

why you getting so upset over this? All I did was correct the statements that he's played "fine". Aren't you the one that said Purdy was "just okay" and you don't know why people are happy with his play?. Even though Purdy accomplished things that Lance has literally never done on a single piece of tape, ever?

i get it, you want Lance to succeed, so do i - doesn't mean you have to be in denial about his current status and act like it's irrelevant.

HA you don't want Allen or Hurts. Oh okay 🥴

my point is you don't always start off as some elite level QB. Actually it almost never happens. Also having a couple good games doesn't mean you will continue to be that over the long-term either.

Guys like Elway/young/Manning weren't who they were off the bat…if you don't have patience for that then that's a you problem.

Lol no you're tossing out competition % like that's the end all be all on a young QB. You want to raise the completion % then throw a bunch of check downs and easy balls to CMC. That doesn't make a great QB imo BUT it sure makes your stats look better.

it has NOTHING to do with wanting him to succeed. It's the lack of people giving him a chance to fail. It's the lack of understanding of the position by A LOT of you. It's the "I want it now" approach. It's the subjective takes based of f**king almost nothing. It's the absolutes for both QBs etc etc.

End of the day I don't care if it's Brock or Lance. If Brock is the next pro-bowl QB, not a single person will be upset…if they go all in on Brock and he's not some every yr pro-bowler. Then that's a problem…you've then thrown away YEARS of development for a QB that you had so much conviction in, you made the biggest trade in franchise history for…AND for what? Because you didn't have the patience for it?

If our coaching staff/FO/fans can't have any patience or understanding of how to develop the QB position…well then go trade for a pro-bowl ready to go QB. Don't draft QBs.

This roster isn't gonna be the best in the league every yr. At some point you will need the QB to be "that dude" we haven't had that for over 25 years! And shocker haven't won it all either….The QB position isn't just another player, it's THE player.

Originally posted by genus49:
This is how he did vs Arizona his first career start on the road and without guys like Kittle and CMC

Here are the so called key downs in that game

Arizona
2nd and 10 12:51 in the 1st quarter - arguably worst pass of Trey's career. He bails on the pocket and makes a bad pass on the run that sails over Benjamin's hands for an easy pick by Arizona. WR was open but the throw was terrible.
3rd and 7 designed QB run - gets 5 yards
4th and 2 designed QB run - stopped short of the first down
3rd and 3 - perfect throw to Aiyuk with defender right on him for a first down.
3rd and 1 - incomplete pass
4th and 1 - gets stopped at the goal line
3rd and 11 - laser to Sanu who drops it
3rd and 9 - dump off to Juice for the first down
3rd and 7 - first down run by Trey, called back due to holding call
3rd and 17 - completion to Dwelley short of first down
4th and 5 - completion to Sanu under pressure
3rd and 21 - incomplete
3rd and 7 - big run by Lance for 1st down
3rd and 14 - completion to Dwelley for 12 yards
3rd and 4 - off AIyuk's hands, pass high
4th and 4 - pass batted down
3rd and 3 - arm gets hit as he throws

One thing i'm reminded of each time I watch that game is how bad we were with penalties...ironically same thing as we saw in the Chicago game. There were a lot of drives where we were having to play from 1st and 20, 2nd and 20 situations.

Don't you dare add context that's not allowed in here…

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
How many experts gotta say this is a comp between Sam and Trey before you come to believe it?

You got Rapsheet and David Carr, who wore our uni and played QB in the league saying not only is it a comp but Sam wins the comp. Jack is saying TL has the slight edge. Which is how I see it.

Oh damn David Carr said that? If he said it then it must be true.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
This is how he did vs Arizona his first career start on the road and without guys like Kittle and CMC

Here are the so called key downs in that game

Arizona
2nd and 10 12:51 in the 1st quarter - arguably worst pass of Trey's career. He bails on the pocket and makes a bad pass on the run that sails over Benjamin's hands for an easy pick by Arizona. WR was open but the throw was terrible.
3rd and 7 designed QB run - gets 5 yards
4th and 2 designed QB run - stopped short of the first down
3rd and 3 - perfect throw to Aiyuk with defender right on him for a first down.
3rd and 1 - incomplete pass
4th and 1 - gets stopped at the goal line
3rd and 11 - laser to Sanu who drops it
3rd and 9 - dump off to Juice for the first down
3rd and 7 - first down run by Trey, called back due to holding call
3rd and 17 - completion to Dwelley short of first down
4th and 5 - completion to Sanu under pressure
3rd and 21 - incomplete
3rd and 7 - big run by Lance for 1st down
3rd and 14 - completion to Dwelley for 12 yards
3rd and 4 - off AIyuk's hands, pass high
4th and 4 - pass batted down
3rd and 3 - arm gets hit as he throws

One thing i'm reminded of each time I watch that game is how bad we were with penalties...ironically same thing as we saw in the Chicago game. There were a lot of drives where we were having to play from 1st and 20, 2nd and 20 situations.

Don't you dare add context that's not allowed in here…

this absurd context of TL having to play vs ARZ in 2021 'with no CMC'

dude was on another team all year

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
This is how he did vs Arizona his first career start on the road and without guys like Kittle and CMC

Here are the so called key downs in that game

Arizona
2nd and 10 12:51 in the 1st quarter - arguably worst pass of Trey's career. He bails on the pocket and makes a bad pass on the run that sails over Benjamin's hands for an easy pick by Arizona. WR was open but the throw was terrible.
3rd and 7 designed QB run - gets 5 yards
4th and 2 designed QB run - stopped short of the first down
3rd and 3 - perfect throw to Aiyuk with defender right on him for a first down.
3rd and 1 - incomplete pass
4th and 1 - gets stopped at the goal line
3rd and 11 - laser to Sanu who drops it
3rd and 9 - dump off to Juice for the first down
3rd and 7 - first down run by Trey, called back due to holding call
3rd and 17 - completion to Dwelley short of first down
4th and 5 - completion to Sanu under pressure
3rd and 21 - incomplete
3rd and 7 - big run by Lance for 1st down
3rd and 14 - completion to Dwelley for 12 yards
3rd and 4 - off AIyuk's hands, pass high
4th and 4 - pass batted down
3rd and 3 - arm gets hit as he throws

One thing i'm reminded of each time I watch that game is how bad we were with penalties...ironically same thing as we saw in the Chicago game. There were a lot of drives where we were having to play from 1st and 20, 2nd and 20 situations.

Don't you dare add context that's not allowed in here…

this absurd context of TL having to play vs ARZ in 2021 'with no CMC'

dude was on another team all year

You saw that and that's what you got from the post? That checks out...

Originally posted by tankle104:
Are you saying accuracy is irrelevant? Lol first of all, manning and elway played in a different era with vastly different rules. So I wouldn't use them as comparisons.

second, I don't want hurts or Allen. I want better than them. Lol

third, for every one of those guys, there are 1000 guys who did the same and never became good. Lol you can make nearly any argument when you're only using the best players or greatest ever. Lol include the full context of what USUALLY happens.

why you getting so upset over this? All I did was correct the statements that he's played "fine". Aren't you the one that said Purdy was "just okay" and you don't know why people are happy with his play?. Even though Purdy accomplished things that Lance has literally never done on a single piece of tape, ever?

i get it, you want Lance to succeed, so do i - doesn't mean you have to be in denial about his current status and act like it's irrelevant.

So you saying Purdy is better than both of them? You're putting Purdy's play on way too high of a pedestal. He played slightly better than Jimmy so is that the bar? To be slightly better than Jimmy? That ain't winning the SB. I hope Brock progresses and gets better but we saw how he played against better defenses in the playoffs.

Originally posted by genus49:
You saw that and that's what you got from the post? That checks out...

And you know who had CMC? Sam Darnold.Faithfuls new 2nd coming of Steve Young.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
So you saying Purdy is better than both of them? You're putting Purdy's play on way too high of a pedestal. He played slightly better than Jimmy so is that the bar? To be slightly better than Jimmy? That ain't winning the SB. I hope Brock progresses and gets better but we saw how he played against better defenses in the playoffs.

He certainly has work to do to pass either of those guys over a significantly large enough sample.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
How many experts gotta say this is a comp between Sam and Trey before you come to believe it?

You got Rapsheet and David Carr, who wore our uni and played QB in the league saying not only is it a comp but Sam wins the comp. Jack is saying TL has the slight edge. Which is how I see it.

Oh damn David Carr said that? If he said it then it must be true.

I was told zero chance of a comp with a FA and TL, yet here we are and the entire football universe is talking about it, including the 3 guys who talk football for a living mentioned above. I thought Carr was pretty good he was a #1 overall pick, probably has a 1000x better understanding of the game of football than your casual WZ poster.

Originally posted by genus49:
You saw that and that's what you got from the post? That checks out...

That's usually how he roles…disregards anything meaningful that disproves a narrative and then deflects or moves the goalposts. Toss in some whataboutisms. It's never a legit conversation.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
So you saying Purdy is better than both of them? You're putting Purdy's play on way too high of a pedestal. He played slightly better than Jimmy so is that the bar? To be slightly better than Jimmy? That ain't winning the SB. I hope Brock progresses and gets better but we saw how he played against better defenses in the playoffs.

Miles better than Jimmy.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this absurd context of TL having to play vs ARZ in 2021 'with no CMC'

dude was on another team all year

Not only that we went 3 for 11 on 3rd down and 1 for 5 on 4th down.

What's funny is his best performance on 3rd downs was the rain soaked Bears game. 8 for 17

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
And you know who had CMC? Sam Darnold.Faithfuls new 2nd coming of Steve Young.

Lol completed 60% of his passes for 9 TDs 13INTs off of 400+ passing attempts! Hey man Sam just needs to develop. It's only been 1,800 passing attempts and over 50 starts in the NFL. Lance however…pshhh seen enough man lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
You saw that and that's what you got from the post? That checks out...

That's usually how he roles…disregards anything meaningful that disproves a narrative and then deflects or moves the goalposts. Toss in some whataboutisms. It's never a legit conversation.

See above for no legit convo, you ain't even talking football here.. just other posters.

It's called a competition, which everyone is recognizing, from former players to journalists, to breaking news NFL insiders. One even says TL wins the comp. Feel free to express why you disagree if you do.. or your thoughts on the comp. All I hear is a sarcastic remark about D Carr. If you disagree, let's hear why you do. I see a comp here, like so many others, Jack Hammer for instance..