Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol completed 60% of his passes for 9 TDs 13INTs off of 400+ passing attempts! Hey man Sam just needs to develop. It's only been 1,800 passing attempts and over 50 starts in the NFL. Lance however…pshhh seen enough man lol

I don't know how bad experience suddenly became better than no experience. Bad experience means you have many more bad habits to break. If Gase and Rhule were so bad as people want to say then theres a whole lot Kyle needs to fix. Took Steve multple years to become functional.

Yet having him start week 1 seems reasonable to people.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
How many experts gotta say this is a comp between Sam and Trey before you come to believe it?

You got Rapsheet and David Carr, who wore our uni and played QB in the league saying not only is it a comp but Sam wins the comp. Jack is saying TL has the slight edge. Which is how I see it.

Oh damn David Carr said that? If he said it then it must be true.

I was told zero chance of a comp with a FA and TL, yet here we are and the entire football universe is talking about it, including the 3 guys who talk football for a living mentioned above. I thought Carr was pretty good he was a #1 overall pick, probably has a 1000x better understanding of the game of football than your casual WZ poster.

He may have a better understanding of football than your causal WZ poster but that doesn't make him psychic which is what he needs to be in order to make any damn claim on who will win the job assuming it's even a competition between the two of them.

There are very few examples of guys switching teams and suddenly becoming a stud. Darnold got his "change of scenery" and wasn't very good. You can claim the coaching sucked but the talent he had to throw to wasn't awful. DJ Moore is a WR1, CMC is a playmaker. Robby Anderson was a big threat down the field. People acting like poor Darnold was throwing to Arnaz Battle as his WR1.

This is no different than that stupid report about how Brock would need TJ surgery because a former player and orthopedic surgeon said it on a tv show. Surely he knows more about surgery than your casual WZ poster and yet he was speculating based on no actual inside information and he was wrong.

Carr doesn't know Lance, he hasn't been in the 49ers locker room he doesn't know how Darnold will do here. His opinion doesn't count any extra because he was a player.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I was told zero chance of a comp with a FA and TL, yet here we are and the entire football universe is talking about it, including the 3 guys who talk football for a living mentioned above. I thought Carr was pretty good he was a #1 overall pick, probably has a 1000x better understanding of the game of football than your casual WZ poster.

The whole football universe is talking about SF trading for Rogers right now…what's your point? It's football discussions. I'll bet money Carr hasn't even spoken to Trey Lance in his life. Let alone sat down and watched all his "film" dudes to busy licking his brothers balls telling everyone he's the best QB in the league.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol completed 60% of his passes for 9 TDs 13INTs off of 400+ passing attempts! Hey man Sam just needs to develop. It's only been 1,800 passing attempts and over 50 starts in the NFL. Lance however…pshhh seen enough man lol

I don't know how bad experience suddenly became better than no experience. Bad experience means you have many more bad habits to break. If Gase and Rhule were so bad as people want to say then theres a whole lot Kyle needs to fix. Took Steve multple years to become functional.

Yet having him start week 1 seems reasonable to people.

It's an amazing leap in logic.

Lance can't win here but Darnold whose worse games are WAY worse than Trey's will surely come alive under Kyle.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
So you saying Purdy is better than both of them? You're putting Purdy's play on way too high of a pedestal. He played slightly better than Jimmy so is that the bar? To be slightly better than Jimmy? That ain't winning the SB. I hope Brock progresses and gets better but we saw how he played against better defenses in the playoffs.

Lol. He put up 19 points. Which was 9 more than the mighty Josh Allen did same day versus the Bengals.

1 Less than Trevor put up the day before against the Chiefs.

1 less than Burrow put up the following week versus the Chiefs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The whole football universe is talking about SF trading for Rogers right now…what's your point? It's football discussions. I'll bet money Carr hasn't even spoken to Trey Lance in his life. Let alone sat down and watched all his "film" dudes to busy licking his brothers balls telling everyone he's the best QB in the league.

Yah Carr talking about how much better Derek is than Jimmy would not have Faithful talking up his football knowledge.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
How many experts gotta say this is a comp between Sam and Trey before you come to believe it?

You got Rapsheet and David Carr, who wore our uni and played QB in the league saying not only is it a comp but Sam wins the comp. Jack is saying TL has the slight edge. Which is how I see it.

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Oh damn David Carr said that? If he said it then it must be true.

I was told zero chance of a comp with a FA and TL, yet here we are and the entire football universe is talking about it, including the 3 guys who talk football for a living mentioned above. I thought Carr was pretty good he was a #1 overall pick, probably has a 1000x better understanding of the game of football than your casual WZ poster.

He may have a better understanding of football than your causal WZ poster but that doesn't make him psychic which is what he needs to be in order to make any damn claim on who will win the job assuming it's even a competition between the two of them.

There are very few examples of guys switching teams and suddenly becoming a stud. Darnold got his "change of scenery" and wasn't very good. You can claim the coaching sucked but the talent he had to throw to wasn't awful. DJ Moore is a WR1, CMC is a playmaker. Robby Anderson was a big threat down the field. People acting like poor Darnold was throwing to Arnaz Battle as his WR1.

This is no different than that stupid report about how Brock would need TJ surgery because a former player and orthopedic surgeon said it on a tv show. Surely he knows more about surgery than your casual WZ poster and yet he was speculating based on no actual inside information and he was wrong.

Carr doesn't know Lance, he hasn't been in the 49ers locker room he doesn't know how Darnold will do here. His opinion doesn't count any extra because he was a player.

Why do you say he wasn't very good?... he was 92 rated last year, set career highs across the board. Carr currently works for NFL Network, he's been reviewing / discussing TL since his rook season.

Originally posted by genus49:
He may have a better understanding of football than your causal WZ poster but that doesn't make him psychic which is what he needs to be in order to make any damn claim on who will win the job assuming it's even a competition between the two of them.

There are very few examples of guys switching teams and suddenly becoming a stud. Darnold got his "change of scenery" and wasn't very good. You can claim the coaching sucked but the talent he had to throw to wasn't awful. DJ Moore is a WR1, CMC is a playmaker. Robby Anderson was a big threat down the field. People acting like poor Darnold was throwing to Arnaz Battle as his WR1.

This is no different than that stupid report about how Brock would need TJ surgery because a former player and orthopedic surgeon said it on a tv show. Surely he knows more about surgery than your casual WZ poster and yet he was speculating based on no actual inside information and he was wrong.

Carr doesn't know Lance, he hasn't been in the 49ers locker room he doesn't know how Darnold will do here. His opinion doesn't count any extra because he was a player.

yet the constant moaning about no kittle or CMC for Trey

Originally posted by krizay:
yet the constant moaning about no kittle or CMC for Trey

Constant moaning about what a player doesn't have only works for Pats quarterbacks.

I think I'd rather eat paint chips then to continue to argue with people over 3 games as if that defines Trey. JFC guys.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol completed 60% of his passes for 9 TDs 13INTs off of 400+ passing attempts! Hey man Sam just needs to develop. It's only been 1,800 passing attempts and over 50 starts in the NFL. Lance however…pshhh seen enough man lol

I don't know how bad experience suddenly became better than no experience. Bad experience means you have many more bad habits to break. If Gase and Rhule were so bad as people want to say then theres a whole lot Kyle needs to fix. Took Steve multple years to become functional.

Yet having him start week 1 seems reasonable to people.

It's an amazing leap in logic.

Lance can't win here but Darnold whose worse games are WAY worse than Trey's will surely come alive under Kyle.

Again, you misstate positions. It's not TL 'can't' win here. He has won here, albeit 2 games, which is not a ton, but right now he's 50% W/L.

it's a question of who is the best QB for our team, while BP is out.. that's the question. Are you saying it's TL, without even seeing what Sam looks like in our O?

I have an open mind on this question.. could go either way, probably advantage Lance. Anyone else have an open mind on this one?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Again, you misstate positions. It's not TL 'can't' win here. He has won here, albeit 2 games, which is not a ton, but right now he's 50% W/L.

it's a question of who is the best QB for our team, while BP is out.. that's the question. Are you saying it's TL, without even seeing what Sam looks like in our O?

I have an open mind on this question.. could go either way, probably advantage Lance. Anyone else have an open mind on this one?

The people who want Trey traded before the draft aren't open minded.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Again, you misstate positions. It's not TL 'can't' win here. He has won here, albeit 2 games, which is not a ton, but right now he's 50% W/L.

it's a question of who is the best QB for our team, while BP is out.. that's the question. Are you saying it's TL, without even seeing what Sam looks like in our O?

I have an open mind on this question.. could go either way, probably advantage Lance. Anyone else have an open mind on this one?

I have an open mind but my thought is this.

If Trey remains on the team and it's down to Trey or Sam cause Brock will miss time then I think I'd rather start Trey unless SD is miles and miles better than Trey. In which case I would be looking to trade Trey.

Now if I feel comfortable in SD running my offense and I'm not as convicted in Trey like I was last year. Then I'd be trading Trey before/during the draft.

In fact, if it has to come down to a competition between Trey and SD then I think Trey already lost. Not so much the competition, but the trust and belief from Shanahan. In which case, the best course of action would be pre draft trade.

That is my take. But if he's on the team come June-ish, then I'd lean toward Trey.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by bewdynewk:

Trey was playing fine before he broke his ankle. There is no need to over analyse it and make it something that it isn't. He should not have any trouble picking up where he left off and playing at an increasingly higher level. My only concern with Trey and Brock is any lingering problems with their injuries. Hopefully they both heal up and kick arse this season. I don't care who gets the job so long as the 9'ers win.

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Agree.

+1

Just stop with all the running.

Nah. Run the offense as you see fit, Shanny. For better or for worse.

For better should be the goal.

We saw the offense that he called for Brock, that one is better than what we saw called for Trey.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Again, you misstate positions. It's not TL 'can't' win here. He has won here, albeit 2 games, which is not a ton, but right now he's 50% W/L.

it's a question of who is the best QB for our team, while BP is out.. that's the question. Are you saying it's TL, without even seeing what Sam looks like in our O?

I have an open mind on this question.. could go either way, probably advantage Lance. Anyone else have an open mind on this one?

I have an open mind but my thought is this.

If Trey remains on the team and it's down to Trey or Sam cause Brock will miss time then I think I'd rather start Trey unless SD is miles and miles better than Trey. In which case I would be looking to trade Trey.

Now if I feel comfortable in SD running my offense and I'm not as convicted in Trey like I was last year. Then I'd be trading Trey before/during the draft.

In fact, if it has to come down to a competition between Trey and SD then I think Trey already lost. Not so much the competition, but the trust and belief from Shanahan. In which case, the best course of action would be pre draft trade.

That is my take. But if he's on the team come June-ish, then I'd lean toward Trey.

I think you are on the right track and this is the Jack Hammer position also. He said TL has the edge, thanks to his draft investment, and Sam will have to outplay him. The pressure will be good for TL, I don't think he's had comp in prior offseasons. JG got it handed in 2021 / TL in 2022, by design imo.