Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
Well, that was fun and short lived taking about scheme and how Trey fits, or doesn't fit. Back to the usual I guess.

I mean personally, I don't think it's about "scheme fit" if you're a good QB you're a good QB. Do we think Kyle wouldn't take guys like Mahomes/Allen/hurts/Watson/Jackson etc and ball out? A good offensive mind molds his offense to his personnel…If we think kyle wouldn't get the most out of those guys then that's an issue.

I think kyle's first real opportunity to get the QB he wanted (which was Lance) shows he's multiple from a scheme standpoint. For most of his time in the NFL he was never really the final decision maker on what QB he wanted. Jimmy just fell into their lap and they tossed a buttload of cash at him after 5 games. Turned out to not be the best move.

I do think kyle has a problem with patience and QB development. It's why he wanted Kirk, he knew the scheme and had the years of reps in the NFL. It wasn't because that's his "ideal QB" it was just familiar. He even said Kirk wasn't his ideal QB.

Yes, if a QB is good, he's good. Rookie Trey Lance was clearly lacking in some areas (game experience, spotty accuracy in the short range imo), but Kyle selected him anyway, knowing that the 2021/22/23/24 team was in a position to win, not rebuild. I think that despite Lance lacking in some areas, Kyle knew he could think up a gameplan that would work as he balanced winning games with getting Lance experience on the fly.

Your point about patience is a good one. I think all coaches would rather have a ready-to-go QB instead of hoping that one will develop. After all, a head coach is worried about so many other things than the footwork/release point of his QB. But Kyle then showed patience with his selection of Lance.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
Well, that was fun and short lived taking about scheme and how Trey fits, or doesn't fit. Back to the usual I guess.

I mean personally, I don't think it's about "scheme fit" if you're a good QB you're a good QB. Do we think Kyle wouldn't take guys like Mahomes/Allen/hurts/Watson/Jackson etc and ball out? A good offensive mind molds his offense to his personnel…If we think kyle wouldn't get the most out of those guys then that's an issue.

I think kyle's first real opportunity to get the QB he wanted (which was Lance) shows he's multiple from a scheme standpoint. For most of his time in the NFL he was never really the final decision maker on what QB he wanted. Jimmy just fell into their lap and they tossed a buttload of cash at him after 5 games. Turned out to not be the best move.

I do think kyle has a problem with patience and QB development. It's why he wanted Kirk, he knew the scheme and had the years of reps in the NFL. It wasn't because that's his "ideal QB" it was just familiar. He even said Kirk wasn't his ideal QB.

Yes, if a QB is good, he's good. Rookie Trey Lance was clearly lacking in some areas (game experience, spotty accuracy in the short range imo), but Kyle selected him anyway, knowing that the 2021/22/23/24 team was in a position to win, not rebuild. I think that despite Lance lacking in some areas, Kyle knew he could think up a gameplan that would work as he balanced winning games with getting Lance experience on the fly.

Your point about patience is a good one. I think all coaches would rather have a ready-to-go QB instead of hoping that one will develop. After all, a head coach is worried about so many other things than the footwork/release point of his QB. But Kyle then showed patience with his selection of Lance.

If only we had 1,000 THLs, the QB threads would have awesome discussions 100% of the time.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
listen to yourself. You're diminishing one little throw. YOU ARE! not me YOU!

Saying "I told you what I would have said" by literally saying it. LOL yeah that makes you sound wayyyyy more objective 🥴

now we got multiple paragraphs of you crapping on everything you can and pointing fingers at a me…just deflecting and tying to discredit posters because you got nothing else to say.

like I said, why can't you be happy that he's out there trying to improve? Why can't you say well that looks like a clean throw and a "tighter throwing motion" because god knows everyone's been butthurt about all that for years. Nah it's the complete opposite, you see one throw and laugh and mock some of us. That's pretty sad dude, we're all supposedly fans of the same team….being right matters so much for you in here clearly. Can't even root for a QB to improve or say hey that looks better. Again not shocked at all.

Bro! You posted the clip then did your little mock/shock. You wanted a reaction you got it.

I laughed at you because you seen one throw and started posting the stuff to get a reaction. Then you get said reaction and act all innocent.

If you are going to count offseason reps to describe how Trey looks. Use all offseason reps. Not just the this one or his usual one play a day during camp.

If he does in fact improve throughout the entirety of camp I will be impress. To be happy over the one clip you showed. That does nothing for me.

Now had you posted the clip Ring(I believe) where the throws are side by side. Plus left your inflammatory post out of it. Then it would have been a different story.

Originally posted by Jcool:

At left: Trey Lance August 2022 (my video from camp)

At right: Trey Lance April 2023 (IG: prestonsmithphotography)

Huge difference in at least this one throw. Lance is holding/releasing the ball much higher and the motion is clearly quicker. Both fixes have been necessary pic.twitter.com/PeFhukUPcw

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) April 6, 2023

I don't see anything different lol. Clearly I don't know what I'm looking at. I thought the majority of his fine tuning had to do with his lower body? Also, I can't tell if both of these are the same type of throws (distance, arc of throw). I'm assuming comparing the throwing motion requires that the throws are of the same type. For example, a QB will load differently for a 30 yard throw as opposed to a 10 yard throw.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Trey Lance is throwing with Patrick Mahomes (Lance in the background of this video).... IG: prestonsmithphotography pic.twitter.com/kzSKetbYqo

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) April 6, 2023

But according to someone the WR had to stretch to get that pass….horrible throw

working out with Mahomes. Not impressed

Mahomes stuck his tongue out, towards the right side of his mouth. Maybe that's the missing element to the throwing motion.
Also, Lance shown in the background already fatigued from his one throw.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Jcool:

At left: Trey Lance August 2022 (my video from camp)

At right: Trey Lance April 2023 (IG: prestonsmithphotography)

Huge difference in at least this one throw. Lance is holding/releasing the ball much higher and the motion is clearly quicker. Both fixes have been necessary pic.twitter.com/PeFhukUPcw

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) April 6, 2023

I don't see anything different lol. Clearly I don't know what I'm looking at. I thought the majority of his fine tuning had to do with his lower body? Also, I can't tell if both of these are the same type of throws (distance, arc of throw). I'm assuming comparing the throwing motion requires that the throws are of the same type. For example, a QB will load differently for a 30 yard throw as opposed to a 10 yard throw.

The first one he is releasing the ball at shoulder level in the second one is right at eye level. Sems pretty easy to notice

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Jcool:

At left: Trey Lance August 2022 (my video from camp)

At right: Trey Lance April 2023 (IG: prestonsmithphotography)

Huge difference in at least this one throw. Lance is holding/releasing the ball much higher and the motion is clearly quicker. Both fixes have been necessary pic.twitter.com/PeFhukUPcw

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) April 6, 2023

I don't see anything different lol. Clearly I don't know what I'm looking at. I thought the majority of his fine tuning had to do with his lower body? Also, I can't tell if both of these are the same type of throws (distance, arc of throw). I'm assuming comparing the throwing motion requires that the throws are of the same type. For example, a QB will load differently for a 30 yard throw as opposed to a 10 yard throw.

My understand is it's more of his overall release. Lombardi was saying Lance would have a long funky wind up and that additional time can wreak havoc on accuracy in the nfl.

so it looks like Lance windup/release is tighter and will shave time off his throws, which should have a positive impact on his accuracy/timing.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Jcool:

At left: Trey Lance August 2022 (my video from camp)

At right: Trey Lance April 2023 (IG: prestonsmithphotography)

Huge difference in at least this one throw. Lance is holding/releasing the ball much higher and the motion is clearly quicker. Both fixes have been necessary pic.twitter.com/PeFhukUPcw

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) April 6, 2023

I don't see anything different lol. Clearly I don't know what I'm looking at. I thought the majority of his fine tuning had to do with his lower body? Also, I can't tell if both of these are the same type of throws (distance, arc of throw). I'm assuming comparing the throwing motion requires that the throws are of the same type. For example, a QB will load differently for a 30 yard throw as opposed to a 10 yard throw.

The first one he is releasing the ball at shoulder level in the second one is right at eye level. Sems pretty easy to notice

The dip below the waist too on the left side

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Jcool:

At left: Trey Lance August 2022 (my video from camp)

At right: Trey Lance April 2023 (IG: prestonsmithphotography)

Huge difference in at least this one throw. Lance is holding/releasing the ball much higher and the motion is clearly quicker. Both fixes have been necessary pic.twitter.com/PeFhukUPcw

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) April 6, 2023

I don't see anything different lol. Clearly I don't know what I'm looking at. I thought the majority of his fine tuning had to do with his lower body? Also, I can't tell if both of these are the same type of throws (distance, arc of throw). I'm assuming comparing the throwing motion requires that the throws are of the same type. For example, a QB will load differently for a 30 yard throw as opposed to a 10 yard throw.

The first one he is releasing the ball at shoulder level in the second one is right at eye level. Sems pretty easy to notice

Maybe easy for someone that knows what they are looking at, like you.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Jcool:

At left: Trey Lance August 2022 (my video from camp)

At right: Trey Lance April 2023 (IG: prestonsmithphotography)

Huge difference in at least this one throw. Lance is holding/releasing the ball much higher and the motion is clearly quicker. Both fixes have been necessary pic.twitter.com/PeFhukUPcw

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) April 6, 2023

I don't see anything different lol. Clearly I don't know what I'm looking at. I thought the majority of his fine tuning had to do with his lower body? Also, I can't tell if both of these are the same type of throws (distance, arc of throw). I'm assuming comparing the throwing motion requires that the throws are of the same type. For example, a QB will load differently for a 30 yard throw as opposed to a 10 yard throw.

The first one he is releasing the ball at shoulder level in the second one is right at eye level. Sems pretty easy to notice

The dip below the waist too on the left side

Also much quicker release.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Jcool:

At left: Trey Lance August 2022 (my video from camp)

At right: Trey Lance April 2023 (IG: prestonsmithphotography)

Huge difference in at least this one throw. Lance is holding/releasing the ball much higher and the motion is clearly quicker. Both fixes have been necessary pic.twitter.com/PeFhukUPcw

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) April 6, 2023

I don't see anything different lol. Clearly I don't know what I'm looking at. I thought the majority of his fine tuning had to do with his lower body? Also, I can't tell if both of these are the same type of throws (distance, arc of throw). I'm assuming comparing the throwing motion requires that the throws are of the same type. For example, a QB will load differently for a 30 yard throw as opposed to a 10 yard throw.

The first one he is releasing the ball at shoulder level in the second one is right at eye level. Sems pretty easy to notice

Maybe easy for someone that knows what they are looking at, like you.

.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Also much quicker release.

Yeah ball is out of hand vs ball still in hand. To me, football is a game of seconds. If you are late getting the ball to a spot, you may be watching it going the other way.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
Well, that was fun and short lived taking about scheme and how Trey fits, or doesn't fit. Back to the usual I guess.

I mean personally, I don't think it's about "scheme fit" if you're a good QB you're a good QB. Do we think Kyle wouldn't take guys like Mahomes/Allen/hurts/Watson/Jackson etc and ball out? A good offensive mind molds his offense to his personnel…If we think kyle wouldn't get the most out of those guys then that's an issue.

I think kyle's first real opportunity to get the QB he wanted (which was Lance) shows he's multiple from a scheme standpoint. For most of his time in the NFL he was never really the final decision maker on what QB he wanted. Jimmy just fell into their lap and they tossed a buttload of cash at him after 5 games. Turned out to not be the best move.

I do think kyle has a problem with patience and QB development. It's why he wanted Kirk, he knew the scheme and had the years of reps in the NFL. It wasn't because that's his "ideal QB" it was just familiar. He even said Kirk wasn't his ideal QB.

Yes, if a QB is good, he's good. Rookie Trey Lance was clearly lacking in some areas (game experience, spotty accuracy in the short range imo), but Kyle selected him anyway, knowing that the 2021/22/23/24 team was in a position to win, not rebuild. I think that despite Lance lacking in some areas, Kyle knew he could think up a gameplan that would work as he balanced winning games with getting Lance experience on the fly.

Your point about patience is a good one. I think all coaches would rather have a ready-to-go QB instead of hoping that one will develop. After all, a head coach is worried about so many other things than the footwork/release point of his QB. But Kyle then showed patience with his selection of Lance.

If only we had 1,000 THLs, the QB threads would have awesome discussions 100% of the time.

Totally agree!

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Also much quicker release.

Yeah ball is out of hand vs ball still in hand. To me, football is a game of seconds. If you are late getting the ball to a spot, you may be watching it going the other way.

It's good news! I'm happy for Lance. Hopefully he balls out and our qb room gets even better.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Jcool:

At left: Trey Lance August 2022 (my video from camp)

At right: Trey Lance April 2023 (IG: prestonsmithphotography)

Huge difference in at least this one throw. Lance is holding/releasing the ball much higher and the motion is clearly quicker. Both fixes have been necessary pic.twitter.com/PeFhukUPcw

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) April 6, 2023

I don't see anything different lol. Clearly I don't know what I'm looking at. I thought the majority of his fine tuning had to do with his lower body? Also, I can't tell if both of these are the same type of throws (distance, arc of throw). I'm assuming comparing the throwing motion requires that the throws are of the same type. For example, a QB will load differently for a 30 yard throw as opposed to a 10 yard throw.

The first one he is releasing the ball at shoulder level in the second one is right at eye level. Sems pretty easy to notice

Maybe easy for someone that knows what they are looking at, like you.

.

Quicker release & higher release point.