Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Waterbear:
If only we had 1,000 THLs, the QB threads would have awesome discussions 100% of the time.

Originally posted by thl408:
Mahomes stuck his tongue out, towards the right side of his mouth. Maybe that's the missing element to the throwing motion.
Also, Lance shown in the background already fatigued from his one throw.

Agreed. We need more THL type posters

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Jcool:

At left: Trey Lance August 2022 (my video from camp)

At right: Trey Lance April 2023 (IG: prestonsmithphotography)

Huge difference in at least this one throw. Lance is holding/releasing the ball much higher and the motion is clearly quicker. Both fixes have been necessary pic.twitter.com/PeFhukUPcw

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) April 6, 2023

I don't see anything different lol. Clearly I don't know what I'm looking at. I thought the majority of his fine tuning had to do with his lower body? Also, I can't tell if both of these are the same type of throws (distance, arc of throw). I'm assuming comparing the throwing motion requires that the throws are of the same type. For example, a QB will load differently for a 30 yard throw as opposed to a 10 yard throw.

The first one he is releasing the ball at shoulder level in the second one is right at eye level. Sems pretty easy to notice

Maybe easy for someone that knows what they are looking at, like you.

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Quicker release & higher release point.

I see it. Thanks. I don't know if it's a good thing. I remember us talking about how sidearm-ish throws allowed the QB to sling it from non-optimal lower body positions, like if the feet aren't quite set. Something like that. We were talking about this last offseason. In the end, accuracy is what matters most so whatever works best for Lance, do that.

Originally posted by thl408:
I see it. Thanks. I don't know if it's a good thing. I remember us talking about how sidearm-ish throws allowed the QB to sling it from non-optimal lower body positions, like if the feet aren't quite set. Something like that. We were talking about this last offseason. In the end, accuracy is what matters most so whatever works best for Lance, do that.

I think most would like the ability to throw it side arm throw just not on every pass.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by thl408:
I see it. Thanks. I don't know if it's a good thing. I remember us talking about how sidearm-ish throws allowed the QB to sling it from non-optimal lower body positions, like if the feet aren't quite set. Something like that. We were talking about this last offseason. In the end, accuracy is what matters most so whatever works best for Lance, do that.

I think most would like the ability to throw it side arm throw just not on every pass.

I'm super curious if side armed throws use the UCL to generate power, like pitchers. Anyone know?

im going to see if I can any research on that. A lot of QBs who throw it wide armed like that (Kap, Herbert etc) tend to have some of the stronger arms in the league.

I think. We should Trey trade to AFC teams because he will earn moneys for 11 millions a year. We need save the salary cap space! Brock is true for number QB1.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by thl408:
I see it. Thanks. I don't know if it's a good thing. I remember us talking about how sidearm-ish throws allowed the QB to sling it from non-optimal lower body positions, like if the feet aren't quite set. Something like that. We were talking about this last offseason. In the end, accuracy is what matters most so whatever works best for Lance, do that.

I think most would like the ability to throw it side arm throw just not on every pass.

I'm super curious if side armed throws use the UCL to generate power, like pitchers. Anyone know?

im going to see if I can any research on that. A lot of QBs who throw it wide armed like that (Kap, Herbert etc) tend to have some of the stronger arms in the league.

Found this:

In football, side-arm throws are not typically used as a primary method of throwing the ball. However, when a side-arm throw is employed, it may still use the ulnar collateral ligament (UCL) to generate power.

The UCL is a ligament in the elbow that helps to stabilize the joint during throwing motions. While the UCL is most commonly associated with baseball pitchers, it is also used by football quarterbacks and other players who throw the ball frequently.

When a player throws the ball with a side-arm motion, the mechanics of the throw may place additional stress on the UCL. However, if the throw is executed with proper technique and the player has sufficient strength and conditioning, the UCL should be able to withstand this stress without sustaining significant damage.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by thl408:
I see it. Thanks. I don't know if it's a good thing. I remember us talking about how sidearm-ish throws allowed the QB to sling it from non-optimal lower body positions, like if the feet aren't quite set. Something like that. We were talking about this last offseason. In the end, accuracy is what matters most so whatever works best for Lance, do that.

I think most would like the ability to throw it side arm throw just not on every pass.

I'm super curious if side armed throws use the UCL to generate power, like pitchers. Anyone know?

im going to see if I can any research on that. A lot of QBs who throw it wide armed like that (Kap, Herbert etc) tend to have some of the stronger arms in the league.

Found this:

In football, side-arm throws are not typically used as a primary method of throwing the ball. However, when a side-arm throw is employed, it may still use the ulnar collateral ligament (UCL) to generate power.

The UCL is a ligament in the elbow that helps to stabilize the joint during throwing motions. While the UCL is most commonly associated with baseball pitchers, it is also used by football quarterbacks and other players who throw the ball frequently.

When a player throws the ball with a side-arm motion, the mechanics of the throw may place additional stress on the UCL. However, if the throw is executed with proper technique and the player has sufficient strength and conditioning, the UCL should be able to withstand this stress without sustaining significant damage.

I interpret that as a yes. Thanks for the info JCool.

this came to my mind when I was reading how important the ligament tissue is in the surgery for a success surgery and rehab. It made me wonder what degenerates it.

so I think if the injury happened to someone like Herbert after like 8-9 seasons in the nfl, his tissue would probably not be nearly as healthy, making a full recovery would be more difficult.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I'm in the minority here, I know—But I'm excited to see how Trey Lance reacts to having to show the Niners staff something in the spring and summer. There was a lot of excitement over his start to camp in 2021. We'll see if he can rekindle some of that. https://t.co/2I5zXuBcml

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) April 6, 2023

C'mon Trey !

Originally posted by krizay:
Bro! You posted the clip then did your little mock/shock. You wanted a reaction you got it.

I laughed at you because you seen one throw and started posting the stuff to get a reaction. Then you get said reaction and act all innocent.

If you are going to count offseason reps to describe how Trey looks. Use all offseason reps. Not just the this one or his usual one play a day during camp.

If he does in fact improve throughout the entirety of camp I will be impress. To be happy over the one clip you showed. That does nothing for me.

Now had you posted the clip Ring(I believe) where the throws are side by side. Plus left your inflammatory post out of it. Then it would have been a different story.

Oh b******t you would have done exactly what you always do regardless if I posted a gif or not. Instead of simply saying that's improvement, good for OUR player being healthy to throw or anything else positive…you went directly to diminishing it & mocking posters. Listen man we all do it. But don't act like some righteous poster trying to call out everyone else like you're not doing the same crap

Originally posted by krizay:


100 pass attempts not enough to form an opinion. 1 clip with 1 pass and we throwing out shock faces and told ya sos

"But.. But... Has Purdy ever thrown a tight spiral in shorts while Mahomes was looking?"

Oh yeeeea, its peak offseason mode now. We're getting excited about guys throwing in shorts.

But yeah for real, I hope he balls out this year. I have zero faith we'll win a Superbowl anytime soon if they don't have a special quarterback.

Good to see he's healthy and putting clips out to audition for other teams to come get him.
He'll improve somewhere he can get every rep.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Oh yeeeea, its peak offseason mode now. We're getting excited about guys throwing in shorts.

But yeah for real, I hope he balls out this year. I have zero faith we'll win a Superbowl anytime soon if they don't have a special quarterback.

Yeah I'm pissed that our injured QB is throwing and moving around again It's such b******t...

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I'm in the minority here, I know—But I'm excited to see how Trey Lance reacts to having to show the Niners staff something in the spring and summer. There was a lot of excitement over his start to camp in 2021. We'll see if he can rekindle some of that. https://t.co/2I5zXuBcml

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) April 6, 2023

C'mon Trey !

Until he throws his first INT in training camp and NT loses their s**t.