Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
So now that Trey is throwing more over the top, and throwing spirals, the Webzone is excited about it and it's a good thing?

He is???

Has camp already began?

QB's can throw before camp starts. Not sure if you knew that.

How many throws during live action have you seen then to know that he's throwing more over the top?

Why even suggest this at this point? Maybe I missed the lengthy article on it? Hopefully 1 little video clip with 1 throw in warmups is not all you have.

Patting yourself in the back way too soon and without reason....as you continually ignored NY and others reminding you he's far from a finished product.

Your continual posts about him last off-season was in a completely spectrum than "hey,...I bet this kid improves a ton real soon. Just watch!"

So this post crashes and burns on multiple levels.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by WildBill:

Originally posted by BuZzB05:
I think. We should Trey trade to AFC teams because he will earn moneys for 11 millions a year. We need save the salary cap space! Brock is true for number QB1.

Hahaha-you always want to trade everybody to get salary cap space. Who going to want Trey when he has not proven anything?

Buzz is back and up to his shenanigans…remember when thought he logged into another account and had perfect English under the Buzz account 😝

Yup...probably why his latest attempt is so lazy.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I never said that he shouldn't try to improve his mechanics, even mid-season. That's fine. But what we saw on Sunday was in no way, shape or form an improvement over his 2019 or even 2020 mechanics. What you see if you watch tape from 2019 to 2020 to 2021 is a degradation in his footwork, mechanics, and release. His ball did not wobble in 2019. His release was tighter, faster, and over the top in 2019. So something is "different," without a doubt. I hope it's not intentional, because it's going away from what is traditionally successful. I'll chalk it up to rookie jitters and not many game reps to watch film and make improvements on.

So at this point on a yearly basis he's gone from an over the top delivery,...to side-armed,...to more side-armed.

And now you are proclaiming he's moved his delivery back to over-the-top. Do I have that right? (All your words,...not mine)

The "QB Coach" proclamation stuff is personally hard for me to keep up with,...especially on a guy with so few reps.

But look,...if you honestly dont know what you're talking about,...well....I'd readily admit that I'd have alot to learn before I go out and coach professional QBs myself. So it's completely okay.

There's just too much nuance involved in the craft for me to play pretend.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
So now that Trey is throwing more over the top, and throwing spirals, the Webzone is excited about it and it's a good thing?

He is???

Has camp already began?

QB's can throw before camp starts. Not sure if you knew that.

How many throws during live action have you seen then to know that he's throwing more over the top?

Why even suggest this at this point? Maybe I missed the lengthy article on it? Hopefully 1 little video clip with 1 throw in warmups is not all you have.

Patting yourself in the back way too soon and without reason....as you continually ignored NY and others reminding you he's far from a finished product.

Your continual posts about him last off-season was in a completely spectrum than "hey,...I bet this kid improves a ton real soon. Just watch!"

So this post crashes and burns on multiple levels.

I'm confused. Are you saying that the clip is meaningless and we shouldn't be talking about it? Because there are 5 pages of comments about this clip, yet you choose to come at me. Lol. I was simply observing the fact that everyone seems excited about Trey's obvious change in mechanics and result. You're right, it's just one throw and he could go back to his more side arm delivery. But I wasn't "patting myself on the back" about him changing his mechanics. I was simply pointing out the irony of everyone's excitement.

Let's hope this is an actual intentional change on his part, and he gets back to his college mechanics. The sidearm experiment was stupid and set him back. And as others posted, put his elbow at risk for injury.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I never said that he shouldn't try to improve his mechanics, even mid-season. That's fine. But what we saw on Sunday was in no way, shape or form an improvement over his 2019 or even 2020 mechanics. What you see if you watch tape from 2019 to 2020 to 2021 is a degradation in his footwork, mechanics, and release. His ball did not wobble in 2019. His release was tighter, faster, and over the top in 2019. So something is "different," without a doubt. I hope it's not intentional, because it's going away from what is traditionally successful. I'll chalk it up to rookie jitters and not many game reps to watch film and make improvements on.

So at this point on a yearly basis he's gone from an over the top delivery,...to side-armed,...to more side-armed.

And now you are proclaiming he's moved his delivery back to over-the-top. Do I have that right? (All your words,...not mine)

The "QB Coach" proclamation stuff is personally hard for me to keep up with,...especially on a guy with so few reps.

But look,...if you honestly dont know what you're talking about,...well....I'd readily admit that I'd have alot to learn before I go out and coach professional QBs myself. So it's completely okay.

There's just too much nuance involved in the craft for me to play pretend.

I said more over the top. I know you LOVE absolutes, but there's a whole gray area for discussions. Try it.

No idea what you're talking about with the QB coach stuff. Relax, bro.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

So now that Trey is throwing more over the top, and throwing spirals, the Webzone is excited about it and it's a good thing?

He is???

Has camp already began?

QB's can throw before camp starts. Not sure if you knew that.

How many throws during live action have you seen then to know that he's throwing more over the top?

Why even suggest this at this point? Maybe I missed the lengthy article on it? Hopefully 1 little video clip with 1 throw in warmups is not all you have.

Patting yourself in the back way too soon and without reason....as you continually ignored NY and others reminding you he's far from a finished product.

Your continual posts about him last off-season was in a completely spectrum than "hey,...I bet this kid improves a ton real soon. Just watch!"

So this post crashes and burns on multiple levels.

It is the offseason and a possible are of improvement for a guy we all want to see develop into a stud FQB.

Seems like a reasonable topic.

It should help him avoid batted balls if it is true.

That´s a great thing for Trey to work with Mahomes. Hopefully he can get back to 100%. His ankle injury was really bad.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm confused. Are you saying that the clip is meaningless and we shouldn't be talking about it?

Sorry if I cut this short too fast but ....really? So 1 throw is what you were talking about?

You cant take 1 recorded sample and claim a person is "doing it more" now. Until the bullets start flying, we have little idea of whether he will revert back to what is most comfortable (like most players) or if there's really some notable changes.

But 1 throw? Let's just let this one go man. The victory lap attempt came way too early.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I'm in the minority here, I know—But I'm excited to see how Trey Lance reacts to having to show the Niners staff something in the spring and summer. There was a lot of excitement over his start to camp in 2021. We'll see if he can rekindle some of that. https://t.co/2I5zXuBcml

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) April 6, 2023

Everyone who is a fan of the team should be excited to see Trey show something this offseason. Ideally he becomes the guy over Brock. He has all of the tools and traits that Purdy doesn't have, so I am hoping he becomes the long term guy and gets us to #6.

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I'm in the minority here, I know—But I'm excited to see how Trey Lance reacts to having to show the Niners staff something in the spring and summer. There was a lot of excitement over his start to camp in 2021. We'll see if he can rekindle some of that. https://t.co/2I5zXuBcml

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) April 6, 2023

Everyone who is a fan of the team should be excited to see Trey show something this offseason. Ideally he becomes the guy over Brock. He has all of the tools and traits that Purdy doesn't have, so I am hoping he becomes the long term guy and gets us to #6.

I agree that we should all be excited to see Trey show improvement, or at least more optimistic towards him, but I disagree on the whole tools thing. Trey may have a stronger arm or run faster but that's it. Those are also some of the least important traits towards being a top qb.

I do hope Trey can carry improved mechanics forward and have it make a difference in his play. It'll be fun to watch him and darnold duke it out.

Originally posted by pdc20:
That´s a great thing for Trey to work with Mahomes. Hopefully he can get back to 100%. His ankle injury was really bad.

Yeah, the ankle is something I've been wondering about for a while. Idk if it will impact his mobility, but I find it interesting he hasn't been cleared medically. Idk if that's just precaution, because he shouldn't be getting hit this time of year anyways, but I hope his ankle is back to normal.

Dislocating and a break are rough stuff on an ankle.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, the ankle is something I've been wondering about for a while. Idk if it will impact his mobility, but I find it interesting he hasn't been cleared medically. Idk if that's just precaution, because he shouldn't be getting hit this time of year anyways, but I hope his ankle is back to normal.

Dislocating and a break are rough stuff on an ankle.

I think you said it. Just knowing how Lance is, they're probably trying to hold him back more than anything.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, the ankle is something I've been wondering about for a while. Idk if it will impact his mobility, but I find it interesting he hasn't been cleared medically. Idk if that's just precaution, because he shouldn't be getting hit this time of year anyways, but I hope his ankle is back to normal.

Dislocating and a break are rough stuff on an ankle.

I think you said it. Just knowing how Lance is, they're probably trying to hold him back more than anything.

Which makes sense. I just assumed that no QB gets contact this time of year but maybe there are certain drills that do?

im more so just trying to get a better understand of the nuances to qb training this time of year.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

at this point I don't trust our coaching staff to develop a QB. I don't trust Kyle/FO to actually find a legit top 5 QB either…it's one thing to get the most out of a QB, it's another to help develop him into that guy. Not sure Kyle can do that…and I'm one of his biggest supporters.

Wow NYniner, you left lots to contemplate. I would say it is one of the most insightful posts I've seen on the Zone.............period. Maybe it's because that's the way I feel but never had the forum or the mindset to come out and say it. You've opened something that, I think, is at the center of Shanahan's ability to take this team where we want to go. Brilliant man.

You know me. I'm the most pro-kyle guy in the WZ but I do think there's a lack of patience from him regarding the QB position. He wants a ready made pro-bowl QB, which is fine. He said that's what he wanted when he was looking to be a HC. I think all HCs want that…he shouldn't have taken Lance if that was the case. He should have went in another direction and done whatever to get a pro-bowl guy…not drafting a QB.

IMO that's what he was so set on Kirk early on, not because it's his "ideal" QB. It's because he knew the system. He has years of QB play under his belt. He passed on multiple opportunities to get vastly more talented (but raw) QBs like Allen/Mahomes/Watson etc.

I'll bet money if Brock has a couple head scratching games. Kyle will have no problem benching him and starting Sam/Lance or whoever. He's real tough on QBs and WRs. He will put whatever QB he has in a position to succeed (play to the best of their ability)…however he's not gonna let the QB make multiple mistakes and develop if he has other options.

he's a elite level play caller. I think he's a damn good HC and leader of men. He's relabeled. He isn't perfect and I think this whole Lance experience is showing that.

Don't be shocked if our QB in 2024 is Kirk

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Nice to see trey working on his throwing motion that no one supposedly cares about.

It was never really about his throwing motion. It's always been about his lower half.

Jeff Christensen, who he's currently working with specifically works on that….if he tightens up his throwing motion, that's a positive. It was never an issue to begin with like some in here thought.

of course it was a problem. Not just the release mechanics but the overall release time. he gots to get it out faster.

That's why he's working on it.

what are you saying? why are you saying this? what is going on here?