Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I'm in the minority here, I know—But I'm excited to see how Trey Lance reacts to having to show the Niners staff something in the spring and summer. There was a lot of excitement over his start to camp in 2021. We'll see if he can rekindle some of that. https://t.co/2I5zXuBcml

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) April 6, 2023

Everyone who is a fan of the team should be excited to see Trey show something this offseason. Ideally he becomes the guy over Brock. He has all of the tools and traits that Purdy doesn't have, so I am hoping he becomes the long term guy and gets us to #6.

I agree that we should all be excited to see Trey show improvement, or at least more optimistic towards him, but I disagree on the whole tools thing. Trey may have a stronger arm or run faster but that's it. Those are also some of the least important traits towards being a top qb.

I do hope Trey can carry improved mechanics forward and have it make a difference in his play. It'll be fun to watch him and darnold duke it out.

Lance possesses tools that aren't attainable for guys like Brock. It's simply the truth of it.

What Brock does possess are things that Lance can learn to do. Those are learned traits at the QB position. Whether he can learn them is up to him.

that's what swoosh is saying and that's the difference in all of it…doesn't mean someone dislikes a certain QB or whatever.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lance possesses tools that aren't attainable for guys like Brock. It's simply the truth of it.

What Brock does possess are things that Lance can learn to do. Those are learned traits at the QB position. Whether he can learn them is up to him.

that's what swoosh is saying and that's the difference in all of it…doesn't mean someone dislikes a certain QB or whatever.

What about TL tools vs Sam tools? The comp is with Sam here.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RishikeshA:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

at this point I don't trust our coaching staff to develop a QB. I don't trust Kyle/FO to actually find a legit top 5 QB either…it's one thing to get the most out of a QB, it's another to help develop him into that guy. Not sure Kyle can do that…and I'm one of his biggest supporters.

Wow NYniner, you left lots to contemplate. I would say it is one of the most insightful posts I've seen on the Zone.............period. Maybe it's because that's the way I feel but never had the forum or the mindset to come out and say it. You've opened something that, I think, is at the center of Shanahan's ability to take this team where we want to go. Brilliant man.

You know me. I'm the most pro-kyle guy in the WZ but I do think there's a lack of patience from him regarding the QB position. He wants a ready made pro-bowl QB, which is fine. He said that's what he wanted when he was looking to be a HC. I think all HCs want that…he shouldn't have taken Lance if that was the case. He should have went in another direction and done whatever to get a pro-bowl guy…not drafting a QB.

IMO that's what he was so set on Kirk early on, not because it's his "ideal" QB. It's because he knew the system. He has years of QB play under his belt. He passed on multiple opportunities to get vastly more talented (but raw) QBs like Allen/Mahomes/Watson etc.

I'll bet money if Brock has a couple head scratching games. Kyle will have no problem benching him and starting Sam/Lance or whoever. He's real tough on QBs and WRs. He will put whatever QB he has in a position to succeed (play to the best of their ability)…however he's not gonna let the QB make multiple mistakes and develop if he has other options.

he's a elite level play caller. I think he's a damn good HC and leader of men. He's relabeled. He isn't perfect and I think this whole Lance experience is showing that.

Don't be shocked if our QB in 2024 is Kirk

Could it be an ego thing? It comes across that way sometimes. Like, he won't open up his game plan to an experienced qb to improvise. I'm not in the clubhouse, but it comes across that way to outsiders.

Great qb plan .... lets pay an extra 15m to get a qb who will throw a 3 yard out for all the marbles on 4th and 8.

This webzone has been completely spoiled about qb play the last few years. If brock goes down, you will find out what REAL mediocre qb play looks like FAST.

Better have a few of these handy.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RishikeshA:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

at this point I don't trust our coaching staff to develop a QB. I don't trust Kyle/FO to actually find a legit top 5 QB either…it's one thing to get the most out of a QB, it's another to help develop him into that guy. Not sure Kyle can do that…and I'm one of his biggest supporters.

Wow NYniner, you left lots to contemplate. I would say it is one of the most insightful posts I've seen on the Zone.............period. Maybe it's because that's the way I feel but never had the forum or the mindset to come out and say it. You've opened something that, I think, is at the center of Shanahan's ability to take this team where we want to go. Brilliant man.

You know me. I'm the most pro-kyle guy in the WZ but I do think there's a lack of patience from him regarding the QB position. He wants a ready made pro-bowl QB, which is fine. He said that's what he wanted when he was looking to be a HC. I think all HCs want that…he shouldn't have taken Lance if that was the case. He should have went in another direction and done whatever to get a pro-bowl guy…not drafting a QB.

IMO that's what he was so set on Kirk early on, not because it's his "ideal" QB. It's because he knew the system. He has years of QB play under his belt. He passed on multiple opportunities to get vastly more talented (but raw) QBs like Allen/Mahomes/Watson etc.

I'll bet money if Brock has a couple head scratching games. Kyle will have no problem benching him and starting Sam/Lance or whoever. He's real tough on QBs and WRs. He will put whatever QB he has in a position to succeed (play to the best of their ability)…however he's not gonna let the QB make multiple mistakes and develop if he has other options.

he's a elite level play caller. I think he's a damn good HC and leader of men. He's relabeled. He isn't perfect and I think this whole Lance experience is showing that.

Don't be shocked if our QB in 2024 is Kirk

Could it be an ego thing? It comes across that way sometimes. Like, he won't open up his game plan to an experienced qb to improvise. I'm not in the clubhouse, but it comes across that way to outsiders.

Great qb plan .... lets pay an extra 15m to get a qb who will throw a 3 yard out for all the marbles on 4th and 8.

This webzone has been completely spoiled about qb play the last few years. If brock goes down, you will find out what REAL mediocre qb play looks like FAST.

Better have a few of these handy.

come on man, you haven't even seen new and improved year 3 TL or Sam in this O

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lance possesses tools that aren't attainable for guys like Brock. It's simply the truth of it.

What Brock does possess are things that Lance can learn to do. Those are learned traits at the QB position. Whether he can learn them is up to him.

that's what swoosh is saying and that's the difference in all of it…doesn't mean someone dislikes a certain QB or whatever.

WHAAAAT? Cognitive processing is the holy grail of qb talent search. NO ONE can coach it. NO ONE can train it.

How many joe montana's have there been in the last forty years? 3? 4? 5?

Come on. You are on a "roll" today.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RishikeshA:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

at this point I don't trust our coaching staff to develop a QB. I don't trust Kyle/FO to actually find a legit top 5 QB either…it's one thing to get the most out of a QB, it's another to help develop him into that guy. Not sure Kyle can do that…and I'm one of his biggest supporters.

Wow NYniner, you left lots to contemplate. I would say it is one of the most insightful posts I've seen on the Zone.............period. Maybe it's because that's the way I feel but never had the forum or the mindset to come out and say it. You've opened something that, I think, is at the center of Shanahan's ability to take this team where we want to go. Brilliant man.

You know me. I'm the most pro-kyle guy in the WZ but I do think there's a lack of patience from him regarding the QB position. He wants a ready made pro-bowl QB, which is fine. He said that's what he wanted when he was looking to be a HC. I think all HCs want that…he shouldn't have taken Lance if that was the case. He should have went in another direction and done whatever to get a pro-bowl guy…not drafting a QB.

IMO that's what he was so set on Kirk early on, not because it's his "ideal" QB. It's because he knew the system. He has years of QB play under his belt. He passed on multiple opportunities to get vastly more talented (but raw) QBs like Allen/Mahomes/Watson etc.

I'll bet money if Brock has a couple head scratching games. Kyle will have no problem benching him and starting Sam/Lance or whoever. He's real tough on QBs and WRs. He will put whatever QB he has in a position to succeed (play to the best of their ability)…however he's not gonna let the QB make multiple mistakes and develop if he has other options.

he's a elite level play caller. I think he's a damn good HC and leader of men. He's relabeled. He isn't perfect and I think this whole Lance experience is showing that.

Don't be shocked if our QB in 2024 is Kirk

Could it be an ego thing? It comes across that way sometimes. Like, he won't open up his game plan to an experienced qb to improvise. I'm not in the clubhouse, but it comes across that way to outsiders.

Great qb plan .... lets pay an extra 15m to get a qb who will throw a 3 yard out for all the marbles on 4th and 8.

This webzone has been completely spoiled about qb play the last few years. If brock goes down, you will find out what REAL mediocre qb play looks like FAST.

Better have a few of these handy.

come on man, you haven't even seen new and improved year 3 TL or Sam in this O

What? talking about Cousins.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RishikeshA:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

at this point I don't trust our coaching staff to develop a QB. I don't trust Kyle/FO to actually find a legit top 5 QB either…it's one thing to get the most out of a QB, it's another to help develop him into that guy. Not sure Kyle can do that…and I'm one of his biggest supporters.

Wow NYniner, you left lots to contemplate. I would say it is one of the most insightful posts I've seen on the Zone.............period. Maybe it's because that's the way I feel but never had the forum or the mindset to come out and say it. You've opened something that, I think, is at the center of Shanahan's ability to take this team where we want to go. Brilliant man.

You know me. I'm the most pro-kyle guy in the WZ but I do think there's a lack of patience from him regarding the QB position. He wants a ready made pro-bowl QB, which is fine. He said that's what he wanted when he was looking to be a HC. I think all HCs want that…he shouldn't have taken Lance if that was the case. He should have went in another direction and done whatever to get a pro-bowl guy…not drafting a QB.

IMO that's what he was so set on Kirk early on, not because it's his "ideal" QB. It's because he knew the system. He has years of QB play under his belt. He passed on multiple opportunities to get vastly more talented (but raw) QBs like Allen/Mahomes/Watson etc.

I'll bet money if Brock has a couple head scratching games. Kyle will have no problem benching him and starting Sam/Lance or whoever. He's real tough on QBs and WRs. He will put whatever QB he has in a position to succeed (play to the best of their ability)…however he's not gonna let the QB make multiple mistakes and develop if he has other options.

he's a elite level play caller. I think he's a damn good HC and leader of men. He's relabeled. He isn't perfect and I think this whole Lance experience is showing that.

Don't be shocked if our QB in 2024 is Kirk

Could it be an ego thing? It comes across that way sometimes. Like, he won't open up his game plan to an experienced qb to improvise. I'm not in the clubhouse, but it comes across that way to outsiders.

Great qb plan .... lets pay an extra 15m to get a qb who will throw a 3 yard out for all the marbles on 4th and 8.

This webzone has been completely spoiled about qb play the last few years. If brock goes down, you will find out what REAL mediocre qb play looks like FAST.

Better have a few of these handy.

come on man, you haven't even seen new and improved year 3 TL or Sam in this O

What? talking about Cousins.

Oh, you're talking about the last part....yea, I'm projecting. true. There would need to be (radical?) change.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lance possesses tools that aren't attainable for guys like Brock. It's simply the truth of it.

What Brock does possess are things that Lance can learn to do. Those are learned traits at the QB position. Whether he can learn them is up to him.

that's what swoosh is saying and that's the difference in all of it…doesn't mean someone dislikes a certain QB or whatever.

What about TL tools vs Sam tools? The comp is with Sam here.

I'd say Lance has a stronger arm (Sam has a good arm though). Lance is more athletic than Sam. Even though Sam is a + there.

a lot of what Sam isn't good at, at this stage in his career is what Lance needs to work at as well. Sam's footwork is not good. It's just not and it's been a problem since day 1. This leads to inaccurate balls. His field vision hasn't been good and that's been a consistent thing. People b***hed about his throwing motion for years all the same.

look one guy has has over 5 yrs in the league, 1,800 passing attempts and over 50 starts to show everyone that he's improved. There's a reason he's on his 3 team heading into his 6th yr. He himself hasn't corrected that stuff. Now can he at this point? That's debatable…he might be who he is at this point. I was a fan during the draft. I was also a fan of Rosen because he was that pure in the pocket passer with amazing mechanics. I don't see anyone thinking he's gonna magically transform into something at this point…and he hasn't even had the opportunities to fail like Sam has.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
WHAAAAT? Cognitive processing is the holy grail of qb talent search. NO ONE can coach it. NO ONE can train it.

How many joe montana's have there been in the last forty years? 3? 4? 5?

Come on. You are on a "roll" today.

Throwing a check down to CMC or to a wide open Deebo isn't "cognitive processing" and we all know how well both these QBs tested in regards to that pre-draft. Very high. So save me one guy doesn't have high end processing anyway.

processing is absolutely a learned trait. You're not born understanding where to go if the defense is showing cover 3, zone coverage, three deep, or cover 1 or 0 pre-snap…That's s**t that's LEARNED by playing the position over and over. Like anything else in life.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lance possesses tools that aren't attainable for guys like Brock. It's simply the truth of it.

What Brock does possess are things that Lance can learn to do. Those are learned traits at the QB position. Whether he can learn them is up to him.

that's what swoosh is saying and that's the difference in all of it…doesn't mean someone dislikes a certain QB or whatever.

What about TL tools vs Sam tools? The comp is with Sam here.

I'd say Lance has a stronger arm (Sam has a good arm though). Lance is more athletic than Sam. Even though Sam is a + there.

a lot of what Sam isn't good at, at this stage in his career is what Lance needs to work at as well. Sam's footwork is not good. It's just not and it's been a problem since day 1. This leads to inaccurate balls. His field vision hasn't been good and that's been a consistent thing. People b***hed about his throwing motion for years all the same.

look one guy has has over 5 yrs in the league, 1,800 passing attempts and over 50 starts to show everyone that he's improved. There's a reason he's on his 3 team heading into his 6th yr. He himself hasn't corrected that stuff. Now can he at this point? That's debatable…he might be who he is at this point. I was a fan during the draft. I was also a fan of Rosen because he was that pure in the pocket passer with amazing mechanics. I don't see anyone thinking he's gonna magically transform into something at this point…and he hasn't even had the opportunities to fail like Sam has.

NY, I'm gonna go ahead and give this a

I too liked Rosen. The problem there may be his attitude. Seemed a lil full of himself and perhaps didn't take well to coaching. He only has 3 starts over the last 4 years, which means he's not really involved in getting heavy action either in game or reps in prax. I don't think he's dressing for any club. If you go years without being in the mix to start or backup, your skills will erode.

Darnold has 42 starts in this time. I do notice he set career highs across the board QBing a dumpster fire with a fired HC.

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I'm in the minority here, I know—But I'm excited to see how Trey Lance reacts to having to show the Niners staff something in the spring and summer. There was a lot of excitement over his start to camp in 2021. We'll see if he can rekindle some of that. https://t.co/2I5zXuBcml

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) April 6, 2023

Everyone who is a fan of the team should be excited to see Trey show something this offseason. Ideally he becomes the guy over Brock. He has all of the tools and traits that Purdy doesn't have, so I am hoping he becomes the long term guy and gets us to #6.

I wouldn't say its ideal if Trey is the future over Brock, because ultimately I want the better QB long term, regardless of their tools.

I just fear that we may never get a good look at Lance if Purdy remains healthy this year.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Could it be an ego thing? It comes across that way sometimes. Like, he won't open up his game plan to an experienced qb to improvise. I'm not in the clubhouse, but it comes across that way to outsiders.

Great qb plan .... lets pay an extra 15m to get a qb who will throw a 3 yard out for all the marbles on 4th and 8.

This webzone has been completely spoiled about qb play the last few years. If brock goes down, you will find out what REAL mediocre qb play looks like FAST.

Better have a few of these handy.

I never said it was a great QB plan. Show me where I said that? I'm saying I wouldn't be shocked if Kyle goes the Kirk route next yr. I'll take Brock and his contract over him at this point. I'm not the one making the call though.

FWIW this team doesn't owe Brock a damn thing. He barely made the team and is being paid peanuts…if he goes out there and lays an egg, they aren't gonna spend years of "developing" or praying for another resurgence of a 170 passing attempts from 2022. Kyle is an ass with all that…s**t he spent 3 1sts to just to move off Jimmy THEN gave that QB basically nothing as far as development goes…if you don't show it from day 1, you're dead to him. Pretty s**tty for any young QB trying to improve.

SPOILED!?


this team has lost a SB and two NFCCs because of the QB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I'm in the minority here, I know—But I'm excited to see how Trey Lance reacts to having to show the Niners staff something in the spring and summer. There was a lot of excitement over his start to camp in 2021. We'll see if he can rekindle some of that. https://t.co/2I5zXuBcml

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) April 6, 2023

Everyone who is a fan of the team should be excited to see Trey show something this offseason. Ideally he becomes the guy over Brock. He has all of the tools and traits that Purdy doesn't have, so I am hoping he becomes the long term guy and gets us to #6.

I agree that we should all be excited to see Trey show improvement, or at least more optimistic towards him, but I disagree on the whole tools thing. Trey may have a stronger arm or run faster but that's it. Those are also some of the least important traits towards being a top qb.

I do hope Trey can carry improved mechanics forward and have it make a difference in his play. It'll be fun to watch him and darnold duke it out.

Lance possesses tools that aren't attainable for guys like Brock. It's simply the truth of it.

What Brock does possess are things that Lance can learn to do. Those are learned traits at the QB position. Whether he can learn them is up to him.

that's what swoosh is saying and that's the difference in all of it…doesn't mean someone dislikes a certain QB or whatever.

Thank you NY! That is exactly what I am saying here. He has the tools that Brock just doesn't have physically. Nothing against Brock here, but that is just the truth of it.

We should want Lance to succeed. This is why we traded up, giving up a bunch of future picks, and drafted him.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
NY, I'm gonna go ahead and give this a

I too liked Rosen. The problem there may be his attitude. Seemed a lil full of himself and perhaps didn't take well to coaching. He only has 3 starts over the last 4 years, which means he's not really involved in getting heavy action either in game or reps in prax. I don't think he's dressing for any club. If you go years without being in the mix to start or backup, your skills will erode.

Darnold has 42 starts in this time. I do notice he set career highs across the board QBing a dumpster fire with a fired HC.

When you watch some of those games towards the end of the year…a lot of his success was just scrambling/extending plays. Which is fine. I want any really young QB that's not developed fully as an in the pocket passer to use that skill set.

when forced to be a rhythm passer. Go through progressions and whatnot…it was still I got no problem if he magically turns into a pro-bowler. He's still young and maybe we can trade him or something. At this point lance should be getting as many reps as possible with the starters though. That's just my two cents, the QB position will shake out through the off season. We can al debate it to death but no one really knows.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
WHAAAAT? Cognitive processing is the holy grail of qb talent search. NO ONE can coach it. NO ONE can train it.

How many joe montana's have there been in the last forty years? 3? 4? 5?

Come on. You are on a "roll" today.

Throwing a check down to CMC or to a wide open Deebo isn't "cognitive processing" and we all know how well both these QBs tested in regards to that pre-draft. Very high. So save me one guy doesn't have high end processing anyway.

processing is absolutely a learned trait. You're not born understanding where to go if the defense is showing cover 3, zone coverage, three deep, or cover 1 or 0 pre-snap…That's s**t that's LEARNED by playing the position over and over. Like anything else in life.

Who is this referring to?