Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

All it means is he's played more. That is the only conclusion we can draw there. Trey might be better than Darnold, we won't know until he shows it

If ya can't draw the conclusions then it makes no sense to trade the guy barring an unrefusable offer.

Lol what? I think Sam is better than Trey, which is why I'm okay with getting something for Trey this offseason.

I did draw a conclusion lol. Darnold has played more. That's the conclusion I drew from what you said. Nothing you said makes me think Trey is better

If Trey, can't beat out Darnold, I'm going to break NY's arm.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Lol what? I think Sam is better than Trey, which is why I'm okay with getting something for Trey this offseason.

I did draw a conclusion lol. Darnold has played more. That's the conclusion I drew from what you said. Nothing you said makes me think Trey is better

That last game Sam played sure proved it.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Did demeco say that? Or is this speculation? I really don't know.

and even if someone thinks that, it doesn't mean we should all just fall in line with that belief. Someone gets drafted high meaning someone thinks that player has the ability but we see a ton of guys every year get drafted high and a majority of them fail to become even decent starters.

I believe I read a report that the Texans aren't looking to take a qb with their draft pick this year, so it's possible he wants him. That would be a great position for Trey because he could get the playing time he needs without the pressure of having to perform and worry of making a mistake etc. Also would be smart for us incase he does become a star, he will be in the AFC.

I haven't read anything substantial saying they're not taking a QB at 2. Only thing I've seen is random draft talk because they need something to talk about at this point for clicks. It's not like they're passing on some elite blue chip talent to overdraft a QB imo. This draft stinks towards the top. I don't think Carter or Anderson are can't miss prospects.

There is nothing smart about trading Lance unless it means we land a legit pro-bowl vet QB or a massive haul of future picks. Neither are happening so it's stupid to move him at this point. Incredibly stupid imo.

Carter is such a great talent but he seems to have the same motivation as Jamarcus Russell. lol I think stroud and bamas qb (drawing a blank on his name) have the potential to be pro bowlers if they go to the right situation - mainly head coaches to develop them. Bamas qb would be a good fit for Denver with Payton but Wilson's contract is wild.

realistically, the only way to come close to recovering the 3 first rounders we spent on him would be if he is playing at a high level, which wouldn't make sense to trade him in that situation. If he gets traded, which I still think is a big if, it'll be a conditional second round pick with the potential to be a first if Lance meets certain criteria.

i just don't see us carrying all three QBs this upcoming season. I think we draft another young qb in a late round and then move either darnold or Lance before the season starts. I think it'll depend on how Lance looks in camp - if he shows a lot of improvement, then they move forward Lance/Purdy (most likely scenario in my opinion). I'd imagine that neither Lance or darnold would be happy being QB3. The other determining point is how Brock looks on june 2. That'll determine when they have to move one of them.

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I know Trey beating Darnold is what we all hope happens, but I just can't see it as the likely scenario. Trey doesn't have any film that says he's better than Darnold. Him legitimately beating Darnold out would surprise me tbh

Strictly from a business perspective, I don't think the team would advertise that. If darnold does beat out Trey, I imagine Trey would be moved quickly before that's public info. It would demolish any decent trade value he has.

This is why people think they're trying to trade him. The Darnold signing, naming Brock QB1 and laughing about trading themselves when asked about trading Trey………It really does seem like plan A for them is getting something for Trey this offseason

The darnold signing and announcing Brock as QB1 is what makes me think they're going to move on from Him. If it wasn't for the darnold signing, especially his contract, I wouldn't think they want to trade him.

i expected the team to not say anything and let them compete it out.

Having Sam Darnold start week 1 with some random rookie or nobody vet fa as the backup with Brock healing is not a positive scenario to put yourself in.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
"We like Trey on our team right now"

"Trey needs to play and that's the biggest challenge"

How do people read these comments and think this team is still behind Trey?

How do you read it and see anything different? Trey needs playing time. Cool, just so happens the team needs a healthy QB. They like Trey on the team. Cool, the team likes having a healthy QB.

Like Trey on the team "right now"……..Right Now lmfao

Why throw that in there if he's seen as the future?

Ok….

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Imagine the Chiefs saying that about Mahomes or Bengals about Burrow

Why? Not talking about them. Read whatever you want, but you won't have any luck convincing me to see whatever it is you think.

You asked me why I see it different and I told you. Was the end goal to tell me you can't be convinced lol? Waste my damn time dude

LMAO you didn't, but it warms my cockles if I wasted your time.

Originally posted by mayo49:
If Trey, can't beat out Darnold, I'm going to break NY's arm.

Wow, that's the most invested I've seen anyone to date in Trey's failure. Good luck, NY!

And Trey!

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Did demeco say that? Or is this speculation? I really don't know.

and even if someone thinks that, it doesn't mean we should all just fall in line with that belief. Someone gets drafted high meaning someone thinks that player has the ability but we see a ton of guys every year get drafted high and a majority of them fail to become even decent starters.

I believe I read a report that the Texans aren't looking to take a qb with their draft pick this year, so it's possible he wants him. That would be a great position for Trey because he could get the playing time he needs without the pressure of having to perform and worry of making a mistake etc. Also would be smart for us incase he does become a star, he will be in the AFC.

I haven't read anything substantial saying they're not taking a QB at 2. Only thing I've seen is random draft talk because they need something to talk about at this point for clicks. It's not like they're passing on some elite blue chip talent to overdraft a QB imo. This draft stinks towards the top. I don't think Carter or Anderson are can't miss prospects.

There is nothing smart about trading Lance unless it means we land a legit pro-bowl vet QB or a massive haul of future picks. Neither are happening so it's stupid to move him at this point. Incredibly stupid imo.

Carter is such a great talent but he seems to have the same motivation as Jamarcus Russell. lol I think stroud and bamas qb (drawing a blank on his name) have the potential to be pro bowlers if they go to the right situation - mainly head coaches to develop them. Bamas qb would be a good fit for Denver with Payton but Wilson's contract is wild.

realistically, the only way to come close to recovering the 3 first rounders we spent on him would be if he is playing at a high level, which wouldn't make sense to trade him in that situation. If he gets traded, which I still think is a big if, it'll be a conditional second round pick with the potential to be a first if Lance meets certain criteria.

i just don't see us carrying all three QBs this upcoming season. I think we draft another young qb in a late round and then move either darnold or Lance before the season starts. I think it'll depend on how Lance looks in camp - if he shows a lot of improvement, then they move forward Lance/Purdy (most likely scenario in my opinion). I'd imagine that neither Lance or darnold would be happy being QB3. The other determining point is how Brock looks on june 2. That'll determine when they have to move one of them.

I know Trey beating Darnold is what we all hope happens, but I just can't see it as the likely scenario. Trey doesn't have any film that says he's better than Darnold. Him legitimately beating Darnold out would surprise me tbh

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Strictly from a business perspective, I don't think the team would advertise that. If darnold does beat out Trey, I imagine Trey would be moved quickly before that's public info. It would demolish any decent trade value he has.

This is why people think they're trying to trade him. The Darnold signing, naming Brock QB1 and laughing about trading themselves when asked about trading Trey………It really does seem like plan A for them is getting something for Trey this offseason

The darnold signing and announcing Brock as QB1 is what makes me think they're going to move on from Him. If it wasn't for the darnold signing, especially his contract, I wouldn't think they want to trade him.

i expected the team to not say anything and let them compete it out.

"We like Trey here "at the moment""

"Trey needs to play and that's the challenge for us"

"Hahaha Id trade myself if I got the right offer!"

Then the Darnold signing to back it up? Plan A is get something for Trey this offseason, because I think they know his value will drop if they don't

Originally posted by tankle104:
The darnold signing and announcing Brock as QB1 is what makes me think they're going to move on from Him. If it wasn't for the darnold signing, especially his contract, I wouldn't think they want to trade him.

i expected the team to not say anything and let them compete it out.

It wasn't even the signing for me. It was inserting him into the competition part. Could have just talked how confident they'd be if Sam had to play yadda yadda yadda. But to already declare he's receiving 1st team reps and such

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:

The darnold signing and announcing Brock as QB1 is what makes me think they're going to move on from Him. If it wasn't for the darnold signing, especially his contract, I wouldn't think they want to trade him.

i expected the team to not say anything and let them compete it out.

It wasn't even the signing for me. It was inserting him into the competition part. Could have just talked how confident they'd be if Sam had to play yadda yadda yadda. But to already declare he's receiving 1st team reps and such

I think they actually see Darnold as the guy if Brock can't play. There will be a competition if they can't get what they want for Trey. It would be a disaster for them because they seem to have an idea of what will happen if Trey has to battle Darnold

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Some of it is learned and some of it is talent. Mental reaction speed can only be improved so much. Vision can only be improved so much. Etc.

You can have a high reaction speed/vision and be a successful formula 1 racer…that doesn't mean that formula 1 racer is gonna have that same mental reaction/vision as a NFL QB.

My opinion:

Wth the proper training (and necessary physical ability), one could do the other. Reading a defense isn't itself processing. That's learning cues, memorization, practice, etc. Processing well is recognizing it FAST as it's changing, and reacting to it. You can suck at processing and still have a good idea if someone you can't see is open, because your (learned skill of) presnap reading is really good (exhibit A: Jimmy G). At the same time, if you're a mediocre processor, you can make huge mistakes because you depend on your presnap read too much and don't PROCESS well what is changing around you (exhibit A: Jimmy G).

Reflexes are reflexes. And recognition to action is the same regardless of the task. All that needs to be learned is the proper muscle memory when responding, which is of course task dependent.

Also, I don't think processing is Trey's weakness. He hesitates sometimes, but that's more unfamiliarity with NFL speed and him still learning the game. His issue is mostly related to the physical part of throwing, and he MAY have an issue with one or all of the following: overcautiousness, trust in his depth perception, trust in his arm, too much time playing Madden where linebackers jump ten feet to pick off passes, etc. I say that because he'll be looking at an open guy, and you KNOW he's found the open man (so it's NOT vision or processing), and if there's a defender in between who can't possibly get a well thrown ball, he'll move or wait, or double hitch, and throw the timing off.

I don't know the explanation for why that happens. I just know that it does. BUT, if it IS related to trust I'm his arm/overcautiousness, and IF he IS improving his throwing, I expect that confidence to improve which would solve that problem.

Originally posted by mayo49:
If Trey, can't beat out Darnold, I'm going to break NY's arm.

Originally posted by tankle104:
The darnold signing and announcing Brock as QB1 is what makes me think they're going to move on from Him. If it wasn't for the darnold signing, especially his contract, I wouldn't think they want to trade him.

i expected the team to not say anything and let them compete it out.

His contract 😂 I know that $3.5M is just killing us. They cut Sudfield and his $2M as soon as Jimmy took a pay cut.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
If Trey, can't beat out Darnold, I'm going to break NY's arm.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
"We like Trey here "at the moment""

"Trey needs to play and that's the challenge for us"

"Hahaha Id trade myself if I got the right offer!"

Then the Darnold signing to back it up? Plan A is get something for Trey this offseason, because I think they know his value will drop if they don't

I took Lynch's comment as "Sure we will listen to offers if somebody wants to blow us away"

They aren't just going to give Trey away after what they invested in to get him. A 2nd RD pick would be giving him away. Remember that Trey is a high character guy and so even if they decide to go with Brock there is no need to get rid of Trey. Also it makes no sense from a business stand point as it will cost them more to trade him than it would be to keep him. The dead cap is worth more than his salary cap. Now it's cheaper post june 1st but then they aren't getting picks this year and the cap hit is still like $5 Million or so. And thirdly they don't even know when Brock will be ready or if he will even be the same. Or if he will have any setback with his recovery. Imagine trading Trey, Then Brock has a setback that will have him miss half the season. Now you have to count on Sam Darnold as your #1 QB for the 1st half of the season. With no backup QB to count on also. It would be a disaster. And worse if Trey hits the ground running with his new team.